From the insides of Business Insider
As a huge fire took hold of Paris' Notre-Dame Cathedral on Monday evening, alt-right figures were in no time spreading rumours and disinformation on social media linking the blaze to Muslims and hinting at a sinister cover up.
French officials on Monday night were quick to say that arson was unlikely to be the cause of the blaze as it engulfed the roof of the 12th century cathedral, but far-right activists and propagandists were already all over social media channels pushing conspiracies.
Conspiracy theorist Jack Posobiec compared the blaze to 9/11, despite no link having made to terrorism by French officials, while alt-right activist Faith Goldy falsely claimed that three days previously "a Muslim jihadis [sic] in Paris was arrested for planning a terrorist attack at Notre-Dame Cathedral.
Funny, there was this little AC scurrying about here on SN yesterday, saying things like this.
- https://soylentnews.org/breakingnews/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=31108&page=1&cid=830165#commentwrap
- https://soylentnews.org/breakingnews/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=31108&page=1&cid=830026#commentwrap
...but well countered here, also by an AC:
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Police have begun questioning workers who were carrying out renovations at the cathedral. The Paris prosecutor's office has opened an inquiry into "involuntary destruction by fire", indicating they believe the cause of the blaze was accidental rather than criminal.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/0/notre-dame-fire-cause-everything-know-cathedral-paris/
The Paris prosecutor's office said it was treating the fire as an accident, ruling out arson and possible terror-related motives, at least for now.
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The deputy mayor of Paris, Emmanuel Gregoire, said the cathedral had suffered "colossal damages", and the emergency services were trying to salvage the art and other priceless pieces stored in the cathedral. A cathedral spokesman said the entire wooden interior was burning and likely to be destroyed.
Sounds like the whole thing may go up in flames. There's a reason for modern building codes. A structure made entirely out of wood, is a huge bonfire, waiting to happen. Thankfully, at this time, there are no reported deaths.
[Update: 2019-04-16 @ 0222: The Cathedral is not "made entirely out of wood" as was suggested above. There is a great deal of stone work in its construction which can be readily seen on its Wikipedia page. I was at work when I heard news of the fire, immediately took a break, loaded the story queue on my phone, saw a story submission on the fire, and pushed it out to the community. In my haste to get the story out, I failed to notice the erroneous claim about wood construction. I apologize for the error. --martyb]
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/notre-dame-cathedral-fire-today-2019-04-15/
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @12:44PM (2 children)
Spring's acoming! Or the rapture, you never know.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @01:14PM (1 child)
Well, one of the two, 'cause the hell is still exothermic [albany.edu], mainly due to the unwavering ms. Therese Banyan.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday April 17 2019, @07:45PM
Hell is a town in Michigan and it routinely freezes over. Word of Dante also says the lowest circle of Hell is permafrosted.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by RamiK on Wednesday April 17 2019, @12:51PM (2 children)
https://soylentnews.org/breakingnews/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=31108&page=1&cid=830268#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]
The worst part? It was the Bloodhound Gang [youtube.com] all along!
compiling...
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @01:01PM (1 child)
Nah, it was a conspiracy involving Steve Bannon and George Soros to buy Theresa May some time.
Some time soon, I mean, they were missing a fetish maid.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @01:18PM
They're all in cahoots with the Annunanki really.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @12:53PM (7 children)
The conspiracy I've seen doing the rounds is that Macron/DGSI did this to divert the Yellow Vest protests....give the country the spectacle of a national monument in ruins to rally around...build a warm, glowing sense of fraternité (just forget about those bothersome Liberté and égalité bits...)
(Score: 5, Insightful) by ikanreed on Wednesday April 17 2019, @01:53PM (5 children)
It's like, every goddamn thing has to be secretly malevolent to some people. Nothing can just be bad and stupid like most of human history.
Besides, most of the actually malevolent people tend to brag about their evil. Osama bin Laden would put out a propaganda video through intermediaries every time Al Qaeda managed to actually achieve anything. ISIS loved putting out videos of them executing journalists. That Nazi fucker live streamed himself mass murdering. They all want the world to see that, yes, I'm doing this, and here's why susceptible disenfranchised people should also do the same evil thing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @03:06PM
Aye¹, and you can expect them along sometime real soon now to claim responsibility...
I view the whole thing as only an excuse for the mass purchase of popcorn (lovingly popped in the glowing embers of Notre Dame...what a missed opportunity....), but, if I *were* some sort of 'evul Illuminatuannunakilderberger' out to cause massive amounts of 'fear' in a 'multicultural' society I'd carry out these sort of anonymous operations and then let the target populaces pick out their own favoured scapegoats based on their own petty prejudices as being the culprits...(my bet on the cause of this fire? a crack team of suicide vampyren....)
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¹ Actually, the most 'malevolant' person I've ever come across never bragged about anything he'd ever done, his reputation, however, was well known to those people who employed (though that isn't quite the right word, he never did anything for money, deployed would probably be better) him.
(Score: 2) by captain normal on Wednesday April 17 2019, @04:13PM (2 children)
Right, for some reason there are so many people who ignore Hanlon's razor.
When life isn't going right, go left.
(Score: 2) by DeVilla on Saturday April 20 2019, @02:42AM
Hanlon's razor was probably created by the illuminati as a tool to distract the masses by demonizing the stupid and using them as scapegoats.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 21 2019, @12:17AM
There is a point at which stupidity itself in strong enough concentration itself becomes malignant, and Hanlon's Razor loses its edge...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by bzipitidoo on Thursday April 18 2019, @03:51PM
It's teleological thinking. Think about children's shows. It's not just animals that can somehow speak English or whatever the native language of the viewers is. All kinds of inanimate objects have faces, voices, and motivations. Friendly doors want to open for the kids, and tell them to be careful outdoors, while unfriendly doors refuse to open and tell them they shall not pass. Then a key hanging on a wall nearby might speak up and inform the kids that doors are sometimes locked but can be unlocked, stuff like that. Sesame Street is chock full of such things.
Sadly, some people never outgrow that stuff. They just transfer the possibility of there being conscious design from the obviously childish and silly to slightly more plausible agents. Yes, there are no doubt a lot of people who would like to burn down Notre Dame or any number of other famous monuments, if they were able to do it and (in most cases) could be sure they would not suffer any severe consequences. But I would guess that terrorists would prefer to knock down the Eiffel Tower.
As to the nutty notion that Macron could be behind it, there's no way the President of France could pull off something like that without a lot of help, and the more people are involved, the harder it would be to keep the conspiracy secret. And what could possibly be the motivation? Distracting the public from the Yellow Vests? Really? That's where the conspiracy theorists really go wrong. They lack an appreciations of the many difficulties in pulling off such a plan, and having everything go according to design. Also, that's some serious "wag the dog" overkill, a whole lot of effort for such a small return, if it could be made to work at all. Much more likely they'd be outed long before they could finish all the work necessary to make the conspiracy succeed. But, stupid people don't think of those things.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @04:19PM
Add also that "the fire started shortly after place closed for tourists", knowing that the temperature wasn't especially hot that day, and that all objects of value was moved due to renovation.
There's enough coincidences that it could go either way.
And if I want to add to the conspiracy: Macron asked for international (monetary) help to renovate the cathedral, knowing that EU's is crumbling and have to rely on fines among other things to keep afloat, having international money instead of having only France fund it would help.
So you have possible motives, and means and opportunity to do it.
IMO? Dunno, the simplest explanation is that it's an accident.
But this theory does have some interesting point.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by janrinok on Wednesday April 17 2019, @01:04PM (12 children)
This is an effective example of how the community can also regulate content. The accusations were called out, disproven by linking to alternative sources, and eventually moderated down where they belonged.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @01:17PM (1 child)
No spam rating, tho.
Why not?
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 21 2019, @12:19AM
Because Uzzard is an overly-literal-minded autism-screeching moron and thinks the Spam rating should only be used for Nigerian-prince scams and similar. So we can't use it to punish obvious shitposting shills, because that would be censorship or something.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by legont on Wednesday April 17 2019, @01:26PM (9 children)
From the links above:
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 4, Informative) by c0lo on Wednesday April 17 2019, @01:40PM (1 child)
A rag with linseed oil [wikipedia.org] may be all it takes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @03:47PM
And (from personal experience) Tung Oil [wikipedia.org] does this rather nicely as well...
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday April 17 2019, @01:52PM (6 children)
I'm not sure of the point that you are trying to make, but does he mean at the time the fire started or the time it was detected? He cannot know what time it started without knowing how it started, so I suspect he means detected. It might have been smoldering for a significant time before the flames became evident. Was any electrical equipment being used for the renovations? How can he be certain that all equipment was disconnect from a power source? Had anyone been smoking during the day in the workspace? How is smoking controlled, especially regarding how are cigarettes safely extinguished? Would you expect the head of the company responsible for the rennovations to say that the fire might have been started by one of his workers not following the regulations, even if it were true? Can you imagine what the future would be like for that company?
When was the electrical wiring for the lighting installed, and when was it last inspected? Have there been any reports of fuses blowing/circuit breakers tripping?
I live in France and watch French TV. I can assure you that these and numerous other questions are being asked at the moment.
There are many, entirely innocent, ways in which the fire might have started. Lets allow the experts to complete the investigation and let us hear the findings before we make any speculative pronouncements.
(Score: 5, Informative) by quietus on Wednesday April 17 2019, @03:29PM (3 children)
Maybe you missed yesterday evening's 20h news at france2: sensors at 3 places in the roof structure went off at 18:20h, a specially trained team of 20 firemen was deployed but no visible fire meaning they had to check the whole structure in depth, which they never got the chance to: about 20 minutes later the fire suddenly engulfed the central spire.
Likely cause is the electrical circuitry installed for the renovation works; workers were not present on site as Mass was going on (no idea whether they continue working on Sunday).
As I remarked in my previous post, smoldering heat fires that suddenly break out are not unusual, and nigh impossible to model, hence predict (the stuff supercomputers are being used for).
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday April 17 2019, @06:51PM (2 children)
(Score: 2) by quietus on Thursday April 18 2019, @09:18AM (1 child)
My apologies, janrinok, for that bit curt reply.
While I'd seen a short breaking news flash on Monday, it was only on Wednesday morning that I came to checking out the news report. It hit me with surprising emotionality -- like standing in delay with the silent crowd of spectators, tears in my eyes.
Then I came to moderating on soylent. If you've taken the time to read at 0, you might understand that I didn't feel overly joyous after that -- yours was still a reasonable post, worth replying to; so I did, but a bit in abrasive mode I'm afraid.
(Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Thursday April 18 2019, @09:39AM
You have nothing to apologise for - if friends cannot have a discussion without taking offence then it is a very sad world indeed.
I had missed those details and I am glad that you pointed them out to me.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by legont on Wednesday April 17 2019, @04:43PM (1 child)
I was just trying to participate in the "community discussion".
If I wanted to make a point, what you wrote is an accusation of the repair company wrong doing. While it is less serious than terrorism or conspiracy, it is an acquisition nevertheless. People could lose their jobs and even freedom.
French police is currently, I believe, simply "investigating" It does not mean "they believe the cause of the blaze was accidental rather than criminal". They simply started with the least serious cause.
Having said that, I do realize that French people would want it to be an accident and I truly hope myself it is. This does not mean though the conclusion implied in the summary. Both terrorism and diversion conspiracy are plausible given the times.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday April 17 2019, @06:49PM
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Captival on Wednesday April 17 2019, @02:14PM (4 children)
"We don't know exactly what caused the fire yet but it definitely wasn't terrorism."
Somebody should ask these geniuses how Schroedinger's cat is doing.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @02:37PM (1 child)
That's the kind of thing you say when there is no evidence of terrorism
Believe it or not schroedinger wasn't actually putting cats in boxes either. He was a liar.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @05:29PM
Maybe he was, maybe he wasn't.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday April 17 2019, @05:01PM (1 child)
It is possible to rule things out before arriving at the root cause.
I don't know exactly how I sprained my back the other day but I'm pretty goddamn sure it wasn't terrorism.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @09:42PM
After all, your back felt just fine afterward, it didn't hurt 'till later.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @02:25PM (9 children)
When a synagogue is attacked in the US, one assumes it's NAZIs. France has been seeing daily church graffiti-ings, vandalism, for several years now that the media claims is coming from an "unknown source" . ISIL has attempted to bomb Notre Dame twice in the past five years. While it is probably just an accident, there is no reason to rule out terrorism.
Doesn't help when you can look at the news of the Burning, and all of the ecstatic liking occurring by folks with Muslim names. And French Muslims and Atheists saying it should be rebuilt as a multi-cultural temple in league with modern Parice.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @03:02PM (1 child)
When you see Nazi symbols on it, it generally implies some sort of Nazi-group, yes .... It's generally not Jews making false flags or some randoms implicating the oh-so-friendly-Nazis-clan.
Thanks Nazi Sherlock. We need more of idiots like you jumping to conclusion. "Muslim sounding names"... because no one ever used an alias on the Internet to troll...
And I'm sure, there were "Muslims cheering in the streets" ... like another Nazi said not so long ago. right? right?
Now GTFO my internet.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @03:37PM
and later
Hmmm...jumps back a bit
Who says it has to be a Jewish false flag operation? (Btw, you do realise your use of 'generally' there sort of implies that in specific cases you do believe that Jews have been responsible for false flag attacks on their own synagogues...)
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @03:52PM (1 child)
Fuck off dipshit, this article is literally about racist twits like you.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @08:17PM
What race?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @06:56PM (4 children)
The cathedral was undergoing renovations at the time and from the sound of it, there were no workers in the area at the time. The typical terrorist acts of the last couple decades involve the terrorist physically being there when things go off in most cases.
Trying to start a fire like this on a delay is something that requires a fair amount of effort. Most likely, this will turn out to be some sort of an accident.
Or to look at it another way, why bother trying to burn the place down now when significant amounts of the cultural artifacts have already been removed due to the renovation? If they wanted to burn the place down, they could have done that prior to the renovation or after it was completed for more impact.
Or more to the point, if somebody wanted to destroy it, there's easier ways of going about it. A truck bomb could have leveled the entire building well beyond the ability to repair it. As it is, a substantial portion of the building remains.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @08:43PM (3 children)
Because the renovation would give them more opportunity to get into areas they normally couldn't get to. Just put on a safety vest and a hardhat, and then you can start climbing around the scaffolding without people paying too much attention. Even the other construction guys would probably assume you're just with another contractor/company. That way you can get something going and get back out -- not everyone wants to go on a suicide mission.
I'm not saying this is what happened. I'm just pointing out that the renovation could be used by a potential attacker.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @09:56PM (1 child)
So no building should ever get renovated then according to you?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 18 2019, @02:59PM
Thats a false premise and you know it. All he was saying is that it was most likely a construction accident (although the company claims they had nothing operating on that day that could have sparked a fire) but that construction work is messy and can leave holes in security for possible attackers to get in though.
You are building up strawmen rather than accept additional possibilities. It is fact that Notre Dame has had several attempted attacks in recent years, it is important to consider, however unlikely that it is, that we saw a successful one.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 18 2019, @04:55PM
It's also %100 plausible that these mystery construction workers could have worn muslim turbans and have koran verses about killing infidels tatooed on their bodies. I'm just sayin'. The fact no-one saw any of this suggests alien involvement using invisibility fields that we can only dream about. And a cover up by Macron and the international order (Clintons, etc).
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @02:31PM (2 children)
Adjective - describes a person (or persons) who by any political means seek to decrease their statistical likelihood to have a truck driven into them.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday April 17 2019, @05:06PM
True, if Heather Heyer had been wearing a swastika armband she would have been less likely to be run over and killed by a Nazi in Charleston.
Neo-Nazi convicted of murder in Charlottesville car assault that killed Heather Heyer [usatoday.com]
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @06:53PM
Fixed that for you.
You're welcome.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday April 17 2019, @02:33PM (16 children)
After the last year of shenanigans, everyone on every part of the political spectrum should refrain from jumping to conclusions. We should not jump to the conclusion that Muslims did it, neither should we jump to the conclusion that it was an accident. The Covington kids were defamed and doxxed because the MSM spread around a picture of a kid in a MAGA hat smiling, and did so knowingly out of context to support the Narrative they've been pushing. We also know, thanks to Snowden and others like Assange, that governments and groups do get up to heinous crimes. So we have evidence that things can be taken out of context, and also evidence that they can be false flags or psy-ops.
Let's wait, let multiple independent groups investigate, and then, based on evidence, publish their findings.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @03:16PM (8 children)
You know, right there, you take what you're saying and immediately jump off the cliff of hypocrisy. Did you even listen to the words that were coming out of your fingertips before you wrote that?
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @03:54PM (5 children)
P666 has been going the alt-lite route for a while now.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday April 17 2019, @07:31PM (1 child)
Does it offend your tribalist worldview? How very small.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @09:26PM
Not in the slightest, but it does worry my world view knowing that more and more people are radicalizing towards the far right. Upon re-reading your post I had realized that my reply was a bit knee-jerk reactionary, but you have definitely been shifting over the years from "liberal who got disillusioned by DNC politics" to a mildly alt-right cheerleader.
I went independent a long time ago and voted 3rd party in 2016, but if it helps your sensibilities to assume such then how can I stop you? My commentary on your behavior is based on your posts over time. Honestly I think it is also pretty likely you're just a shell account to push a divisive agenda.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday April 17 2019, @07:37PM (2 children)
THANK YOU! I am so glad I'm not the only one who's noticed this! A disturbing number of our posters have been slowly but steadily catching this disease, and it's happening slow enough that pointing it out to them only elicits denial, because they don't notice any changes.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @09:48PM (1 child)
I think it is a Venn diagram problem where people who care about freedom overlap with people who care about freedom only because they have shitty worldviews and feel persecuted. There is a very real problem with human psychology where if you inundate people with a specific set of ideas / information then they internalize it to varying degrees. Add in P666's supposed persecution by the Clintons and you have a good recipe for radicalization. Seems a little too convenient for my tastes but whatever.
I wonder if we're messing up a good honey pot, or even better we're hopefully messing up an alt-right recruiting effort :D
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday April 17 2019, @10:17PM
Dear Goddess, I hope so. The way to fight this kind of bullshit is Bayesian poisoning, and it's something I've gotten rather good at out of necessity over the last few years. You know we're surrounded by sludge when cleaning up the area around you translates into "poisoning" it, from the evildoers' perspective...
In a way it's like Sanders going on Fox. Sunlight is the second-best disinfectant, right after fire, but seeing as I'm not allowed to actually light these pieces of shit up, exposing them is the next best thing.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday April 17 2019, @07:23PM (1 child)
You obviously didn't watch the video that still was taken from, which directly contradicts the spin the MSM put on it. The only explanation for that is they did it deliberately. The MSM also falsely represented the Indian guy as a Vietnam vet.
There is no hypocrisy there on my part; there is willful blindness on your part, AC.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 18 2019, @06:41PM
Why would I want to watch a video of Catholic school boys, unless I was a priest or bishop?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by jmorris on Wednesday April 17 2019, @03:39PM (6 children)
Good point. The root of the problem is nobody trusts the authorities to tell them them truth. About anything. The French authorities were assuring people it was an accident while the fire was raging at full heat, after such a transparent lie their credibility is now zero. The media has no credibility -anywhere- these days. The French people were already largely in a mini revolt every weekend, this certainly won't help things. And when one considers both the timing (start of the most Holy week on the Christian calendar), the arrest just last month of a Religion of Pieces member attempting to blow up the same target and the hundreds of church attacks in France getting the same "police baffled as to a motive" treatment it really does become rather easy to get pretty darned suspicious. Lack of both facts and trust breeds rumor and conspiracy theories. But instead of solving those problems we will see mass arrests of anyone tweeting wrong think. And the Yellow Vests will swell yet again, and our news will continue to go to great effort not to notice.
After 9/11 were all supposed to see something and say something, authorities were supposed to connect the dots. But quickly the Narrative shifted, became see something, shut your Islamophobic hole and the authorities all across the West became Officer Barbrady clones.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @03:58PM (2 children)
See, when jmorris applauds your point it must be racist ramblings.
9/11 broke the US spirit, but hey that was the point! "Good job" being a victim jmo, now you can use #metoo
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 18 2019, @03:04PM (1 child)
Oh gee its almost like they have a track record
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/03/30/macrons-france-average-of-three-church-attacks-per-day/ [breitbart.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 18 2019, @06:45PM
Breitbart! I think we have gotten to the bottom of this false rumor! You know, Andrew Brietbart was an ex-Catholic, before he died of jogging. And Steve Bannon is trying to open a "school" in the Vatican, somewhere. Coincidence? I think not! Or as Runaway says, "I not think!"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @06:52PM (2 children)
"But quickly the Narrative shifted, became see something, shut your Islamophobic hole and the authorities all across the West became Officer Barbrady clones."
Now if only your point was backed up by the increase in Islamic terrorist attacks. Oh wait, we should have been focusing on the Islamaphobic assholes who would then go on to murder and incite violence.
Take your racist shit and shove it up your ass, it can keep your pencil dick company.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 18 2019, @11:24AM (1 child)
So the muslims with the car outside that had gas bottles is pure coincidence?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 18 2019, @06:46PM
Yes.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday April 17 2019, @02:45PM (20 children)
https://godfatherpolitics.com/875-christian-churches-vandalized-in-france-since-2018/ [godfatherpolitics.com]
Muslims? Maybe. Maybe not. I'll go with the maybe, thank you very much.
https://www.catholicireland.net/france-shocked-by-spate-of-church-attacks/ [catholicireland.net]
Couldn't be Muslims doing this, could it? Hell, I don't know, but I'll put my money on Muslims, because the Media won't report crimes committed by Muslims. By their definition, it's "racist" to notice that a Muslim might do wrong.
By MY definition, it's definitely bigoted to fail to report all crimes equally. I don't care if it's a Catholic, a Protestant, and Atheist, or a Muslim - desecrating a holy place should be punishable by death. I won't even consider burning down a Satanist's place of worship, what gives a Muslim the right to burn down churches?
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @03:04PM (9 children)
Oh go fuck yourself troll.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday April 17 2019, @03:06PM (8 children)
Facts are facts, sweetheart. Get over yourself.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @04:01PM (6 children)
Ya, you're a racist fuckwit.
Astounding seeing the alt-righters post more of the same bullshit as the article describes.
(Score: 2, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday April 17 2019, @04:20PM (5 children)
You and your CTRL-Left hate white people far more than I hate ANYONE - including Muslims. Tell me more about racism.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @05:30PM
Tell me more about racism.
Just look in the mirror, you incel racist loser.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @05:41PM
Well when you have such basic comprehension issues there is little anyone can truly explain to you.
Like Trump you are either a total tro or a massive idiot. Either way you spew bullshit so the particulars don't really matter.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 18 2019, @11:31AM (2 children)
I don't hate muslims
I just don't want to be oppressed or killed by them
Is that so hard to understand?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 18 2019, @06:51PM
Evidently it is hard for you to understand that your desire not to be oppressed or killed is in itself a racist fear of the unknown "other", it is a nativist emotions that makes people want to build walls, and crawl into bunkers to "survive". So actually you do hate muslin, and probably calico as well, and your irrational fear is part of that hate.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 21 2019, @12:22AM
So...er, don't go to horrible places like Saudi Arabia...?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @04:20PM
And racist trash is racist trash.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Codesmith on Wednesday April 17 2019, @03:57PM (9 children)
Trying to drill down on this, and it looks like the vandalism is aimed at the Catholic churches.
Guess what sunshine, there's a huge group of Americans who are absolutely pissed at the Catholic system with their kiddie diddlers and financial hijinks. I'd say they're just as likely to trash stuff as Moslems are. It might be worth looking to see if the French are having the same discussions.
I know that doesn't fit your narative, but you whould probably look with a little wider lens. Assholes abound out there.
Besides, doesn't WBC consider the Catholics are in league with the devil or something?
Pro utilitate hominum.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday April 17 2019, @04:26PM (8 children)
Notre Dame isn't in 'Murica, is it? So, you're saying that a huge group of 'Muricans flew over yonder, just to burn down some Catholic churches? Help me out here - I'm trying to wrap my mind around whatever the fuck 'Muricans have to do with thousands of Catholic churches being vandalized in the last three years. Are you part of this terror group of Americans, and you're just informing us of what you have been up to?
Checking my map again, just to be sure - nope - France doesn't have even one single mile of border that touches 'Murica. Nowhere do we have a border in common.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @06:31PM
Not much for reading comprehension are you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @06:37PM (3 children)
Actually, it is, just not the one we are discussing, you geographical and historically challenged product of Republican cuts to public education in America! https://www.nd.edu/ [nd.edu] Indiana?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday April 17 2019, @06:42PM (2 children)
So, it was the COLLEGE that caught fire a couple days ago? *rolleyes*
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @06:57PM (1 child)
They were trying to broaden your perspective, instead of focusing on the Fox News bogey man "MUSLIMS!@!@!" at every opportunity you should try using your brain. Maybe it was a Muslim attack, maybe it was some pissed off parents of abused kids, maybe it was just an accident. The point is that pontificating from a bigoted perspective is stupid and that makes YOU stupid.
I just go for insults these days since reasoning with you about this stuff hasn't worked one bit in years.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @07:20PM
Poor Runaway! To be so stupid, and so scared, and too stupid to understand why he is scared. If only someone could edumacate him with some book-larning.
(Score: 2) by Codesmith on Thursday April 18 2019, @12:40PM (2 children)
You seemed to have missed the bolded part of the statement. I was comparing the French to Americans, not suggesting the US had anything to do with this.
Pro utilitate hominum.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday April 18 2019, @02:01PM (1 child)
Ahhh - got it. Sorry 'bout the misinterpretation. :^)
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday April 18 2019, @06:53PM
First janrinok, now Runaway! OMG! Is polite rational discussion about to break out on SoylentNews!
(Score: 3, Informative) by linkdude64 on Wednesday April 17 2019, @02:50PM (2 children)
There is no "Campaign" this is a bunch of internet-dwellers who think it would be funny to make fun of/target a "minority" group (one who is literally killing them, mind) and their, "Campaign" amounts to a few shitposts on Twitter. Thank your local news website for amplifying their message and giving them exactly what they are looking for. Sure, I'm sure there are nutbags who went way overboard or actually believe it themselves, but this is not a campaign, this is not "MUH DRUMPF AND RUSSIA" in action, this is a "campaign" to see how many "literally shaking with anger"s and Harry Potter quotes some bored, disenfranchised, people who have been constantly shit on by the left can get out of them, and clearly it is working marvelously.
Trolling is NOT your reddit-tier "I watched anime today....IRONICALLY! (tee-hee!)" PC meme bullshit, trolling is getting people pissed off enough that they hurt themselves or others, pushing people to commit suicide, etc. NO it's not, "Okay", but that's the point.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday April 17 2019, @05:09PM (1 child)
Radical rightwingers are the ones doing most of the killing where I live.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by linkdude64 on Wednesday April 17 2019, @06:25PM
I'll bite, where do you live? If you're in Scandanavia, you must be joking, and I know you couldn't possibly mean the United States. Especially not a "blue" (leftist) state. Maybe New Zealand, then? A small completely non-representative fraction of the world's population? In my country (the USA) yearly black on black homicides in leftist states alone outnumber NZ and every other right-wing-terrorist attack ever committed worldwide combined by the thousands. I'd say it's just a difference in perspective, but when the homicide rate seems directly proportional to the diversity rate, one understandably begins to wonder whether correlation or causation is in effect.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday April 17 2019, @02:52PM (2 children)
France: An average of three churches are attacked every day
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2019/04/france-an-average-of-three-churches-are-attacked-every-day [jihadwatch.org]
Apr 1, 2019 3:00 pm By Robert Spencer
Again, I'm not saying Muslims did it. But, anyone who concludes that Muslims are NOT doing it, has their head so far up their ass they can watch their own hearts beating.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Alfred on Wednesday April 17 2019, @09:52PM
(Score: 2) by Codesmith on Thursday April 18 2019, @12:51PM
You keep faffing about with this. There are lots of people with a bone to pick with both the French government and specifically the Catholic church. Occam would suggest that if the fire started where the contruction was ongoing it would be the result of construction activities.
I guess I don't understand what your motivation is here: Is it a 'Moslems are bad', or is it more general dislike of folks out of your cultural footprint? You've been around here too long to be an alt-right agitator or mole so I'm not following why you're re-iterating their speaking points. I believe you're a veteran, so I trust you have better understanding of how extreme ideologies can be used to manipulate groupthink.
In light of the article, I think it would be a good time for Soylentils (and others!) to see what we can to have an intelligent, robust and capable discussion forum. Time to open a side-channel discussion about moderation, freedom of speech and good conduct, perhaps?
Pro utilitate hominum.
(Score: 2) by Revek on Wednesday April 17 2019, @03:04PM (7 children)
You can't blame a sewer rat for slinging shit.
This page was generated by a Swarm of Roaming Elephants
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @04:15PM (6 children)
Just note the usernames pushing the same agenda here. Runaway, jmorris, bot, and phoenix666 seems to be radicalizing nicely.
Runaway's "I'm not saying it was muslims buuuut" is just too on the nose. Fuck the alt-right,, in the US they are the most likely source of terrorism. The terrifying part is that these assholes try so hard to push the boundaries of free speech as some kind of litmus test but they'll end up validating calls for limitations on free speech /face_palm
(Score: 1, Troll) by linkdude64 on Wednesday April 17 2019, @06:39PM (5 children)
" The terrifying part is that these assholes try so hard to push the boundaries of free speech as some kind of litmus test but they'll end up validating calls for limitations on free speech /face_palm"
Limitations on speech? Maybe in Europe. We have the First Amendment, and the Supreme Court has spoken - there is no such thing as "hate speech," and never will be, so long as this Country operates under the Constitution.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @07:07PM (2 children)
There is such a thing as "hate speech" and you are free to ignore that at your own peril. Actually please do, might be a good lesson in reality.
You obviously missed the point, like 9/11 if right wing terrorists make enough of a stink we just might get the free speech version of the Patriot Act. There is plenty of unconstitutional shit going on in the US, don't presume the 1st amendment is somehow safe. Trump already went after the 2nd amendment:
A short slide from there and you have an easy excuse to confiscate anyone's guns. Post a violent meme? Make a wisecrack about school shootings? Or just make a vague negative post about a minority? Take their guns before they murder people!!!
But critical thinking is just for chumps right? No way your regressive stupidity can bite you in the ass!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @07:12PM (1 child)
HA! Can't believe it didn't spring to mind in the above post, Trump has gone after Free Speech as well. He attacks journalists all the time and said
"Why Isn't the Senate Intel Committee looking into the Fake News Networks in OUR country to see why so much of our news is just made up-FAKE!"
We all hate fake news clickbait bullshit, but don't let that distract you from Trump's attack on freedom. That is what you get with your "God Emperor" you fuckwits.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday April 17 2019, @07:40PM
I'd been warning them for years. No one's listening. Cassandra Syndrome strikes again! Maybe I should have been Cassandra van Eck instead of Marissa, huh? @_@
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday April 18 2019, @01:49AM (1 child)
Call me when you get a ISIS beheading youtube clip, will yea?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Thursday April 18 2019, @09:47PM
Right after I yell "Fire!" in a crowded movie theatre, right?
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @03:34PM (3 children)
Macron (according to our local paper) has proposed a 5 year rebuilding process.
To make this easier and protect the exposed building, why not erect a large, temporary dome over the whole site?
(Score: 2) by quietus on Wednesday April 17 2019, @06:02PM
That's indeed likely to happen.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @07:01PM
Probably not a dome, but a tent would definitely be doable. These cathedrals tend to be rather narrow due to the limitations of the engineering and materials of the day. Constructing a relatively simple canopy over the top could be done in a very short period of time. And they also tend to be rather cold and drafty due to the lack of insulation and size.
I suspect the timeline has more to do with French pride than anything else. Personally, I wonder if they can do an adequate job of it in only 5 years. I'd rather see them take longer and create something that's closer to the original rather than whatever can be made in the time-frame. Keep in mind that it will take a while to do the engineering and hand out the contracts for performing the work. So that 5 years, is probably closer to 4.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 17 2019, @10:47PM
A dome -- like the Hagia Sophia? I see what you're trying to do, but turning another cathedral into a mosque is not going to bring the caliphate to France any sooner.