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posted by martyb on Wednesday May 01 2019, @06:11AM   Printer-friendly
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Venezuela Crisis Live Updates: Clashes Erupt After Opposition Leader Calls for Uprising

• Clashes between anti-government protesters and law enforcement officers erupted in Caracas on Tuesday after the Venezuelan opposition leader, Juan Guaidó, appeared alongside soldiers at a military base and called for the population to rise up against the president, Nicolás Maduro.

• Mr. Guaidó has urged the Venezuela military to join his side since he declared himself interim president more than three months ago. But it was a new step for him to make the declaration with men in uniform by his side. Still, it is unclear how much of the military supports him.

• The Trump administration, which has backed Mr. Guaidó since he first declared himself interim president in January, expressed immediate support for his latest move. President Trump tweeted, "The United States stands with the People of Venezuela and their Freedom!"

• Video and photos showed at least one instance where an armored vehicle rammed protesters. It was not immediately clear how many people were injured.

See also: Venezuela's Guaidó accused of coup attempt by government

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President Nicolás Maduro said the border with Colombia is partly closed to stop aid being delivered. But self-declared interim president Juan Guaidó has vowed that hundreds of thousands of volunteers will help bring in the aid deliveries, which include food and medicine, on Saturday. The first delivery of aid has already entered Venezuela through Brazil, Mr Guaidó tweeted. The delivery of aid to the stricken country has proven to be a key area of contention between the two men who see themselves as Venezuela's leader.

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Venezuela's National Guard fired tear gas on opposition activists at a barricaded border bridge to Colombia on Saturday, and two protesters were killed near the border in Brazil, as the opposition tried to execute a high-risk plan to deliver humanitarian aid over the obstinate refusal of President Nicolas Maduro.

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  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @06:24AM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @06:24AM (#837098)

    Late-stage Socialism at work.

    Saddest thing about it, the guy who is trying to replace him is a "Socialist" as well. It's like you need to be next level retarded to get off at Socialism Central, and get right back on the same train to nowhere.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by c0lo on Wednesday May 01 2019, @06:54AM (6 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 01 2019, @06:54AM (#837110) Journal

      Late-stage Socialism at work.

      Or... oil interest:
      Feb 2019 Be Wary of American Interest in Venezuela [columbia.edu]

      Indeed, the hypocrisy from the White House with regards to the stability of Venezuela is palpable. The United States has as its president an unabashed nationalist in Donald Trump, whose rallying “America First” dogma, anti-interventionist convictions, and continual retreat from global commitments helped carry him to the Oval Office and retain the enduring support of his base. Ordinarily, Trump displays a disinterest in, and perhaps ignorance of, issues of human rights and democracy beyond America’s shores. Yet in the case of Venezuela, we are witnessing his consideration for quelling unrest in a region that ranks quite low on the foreign policy concerns of the US.

      Feb 2019 John Bolton: “Big difference” if “US oil companies invest in & produce oil in Venezuela” [priceofoil.org]

      There is no doubt that Venezuela and Nicolás Maduro have been in Trump’s sights for a while, though, regardless of the poverty of the population. Last November, National Security Advisor, John Bolton labelled the country in his “troika of tyranny” speech, naming Venezuela, Nicaragua and Cuba. “The United States looks forward to watching each corner of the triangle fall: in Havana, in Caracas, in Managua.”

      But is oil a factor too? As Al Jazeera notes: “The White House is very clear – it wants to overthrow the governments in Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua; and the US control over the world’s largest oil reserves.”

      Last month, Bolton told Fox News: “We’re in conversation with major American companies now. I think we’re trying to get to the same end result here. … It will make a big difference to the United States economically if we could have American oil companies really invest in and produce the oil capabilities in Venezuela.”

      You could see why America would be interested in securing the country’s oil and backing the opposition leader, Juan Guaidó, who declared himself interim president on 23 January.

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      .. and maybe the next (proxy?) cold war (let's hope it stays at "maybe" and "cold"):

      March 2019 - Russia acknowledges presence of troops in Venezuela [theguardian.com]

      “Military experts are there; they are tasked with the practical implementation of provisions of military-technical cooperation agreements,” a Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman said in a televised briefing.
      ...
      A Kremlin spokesman denied Russia was meddling in Venezuela’s affairs, saying that the US “should follow our example and allow Venezuelans to decide their own fate”.

      Asked to clarify the nature of the cooperation, Dmitri Peskov, the Kremlin spokesman, said “military contracts, military equipment, military hardware”.

      Apr 2019 - China’s PLA Troops in Venezuela Is Game Changer [foreignpolicy.com]

      Unlike Russia, which has a history of force projection abroad, this is an extremely rare Chinese move. Although vital Chinese interests are at stake in the war against terrorist groups in Afghanistan and Syria, China refrained from publicising any such deployment.

      The reports mention that the group of Chinese military personnel is 120-strong and arrived on the Margarita Island in the Caribbean Sea off the Venezuelan mainland on March 28 ‘to deliver humanitarian aid and military supplies to the government forces.’ After delivering the humanitarian supplies, the Chinese PLA troops were apparently transferred to a Venezuelan military facility.
      ...
      Both Russia and China have heavily invested in Venezuela, the latter by far outstripping the former. According to a recent report in the LA Times,

      “Over the decade ending in 2016, China loaned Venezuela approximately $62 billion, much of which Caracas could repay with oil. Moscow in the last several years gave Venezuela $17 billion in loans and investment, and in December the two governments signed a new deal in which Russia will invest $6 billion in Venezuela’s oil and gold sectors.”

      “China and Russia are Venezuela’s two main creditors, and they have been the principal economic force keeping the Maduro government afloat, making the difference between solvency and bankruptcy, financial experts say.”

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      • (Score: 4, Informative) by loonycyborg on Wednesday May 01 2019, @07:22AM (1 child)

        by loonycyborg (6905) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @07:22AM (#837123)

        If not for threat of nuclear annihilation this could easily escalate into world war. US is too proud to stop their government changing operation and Russia and China don't feel too subservient anymore.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by c0lo on Wednesday May 01 2019, @07:31AM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 01 2019, @07:31AM (#837126) Journal

          US MIC is too proud greedy to stop their government changing operation

          FTFY.
          Seems they feel hungry lately.

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      • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday May 01 2019, @07:43AM

        by aristarchus (2645) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @07:43AM (#837130) Journal

        This is something of a tautology, but modding c0lo "informative" is almost by definition redundant. Post on, paduwan!

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday May 01 2019, @11:14AM (2 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 01 2019, @11:14AM (#837173) Journal
        Sounds like we need to be more wary of Russian and Chinese interests in Venezuela.
        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @12:48PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @12:48PM (#837194)

          And why is that?
          No declaration of "do as we are telling you, or else..." from the Russians or the Chinese,
          Plenty [pbs.org] from [politico.com] the US [forbes.com] bully [vox.com]

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday May 02 2019, @02:04AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 02 2019, @02:04AM (#837641) Journal

            No declaration of "do as we are telling you, or else..." from the Russians or the Chinese

            There are other ways to harm than bullying, such as material support for a tyrant.

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:08PM

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:08PM (#837380) Journal

      Right, because the CIA and the US have absolutely nothing to do with this, just like they've never ever ever ever done anything foul in Latin America, no sir.

      Who the fuck upmodded you?!

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  • (Score: 4, Funny) by realDonaldTrump on Wednesday May 01 2019, @06:32AM (2 children)

    by realDonaldTrump (6614) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @06:32AM (#837099) Homepage Journal

    And our thoughts & prayers are with them. 100% and that's coming from BOTH SIDES. Often referred to as, bipartisan.

    "To @jguaido, the National Assembly and all the freedom-loving people of Venezuela who are taking to the streets today in #operacionlibertad—Estamos con ustedes! We are with you! America will stand with you until freedom & democracy are restored. Vayan con dios! #FreeVenezuela" VP Pence.

    "Today Venezuela dawns with the air of freedom! We stand with the Venezuelan people and interim president @jguaido in these decisive hours as they restore their democracy. #VivaVenezuelaLibre #OperaciónLibertad" Donna Shalala.

    "The Russians & Cubans who are in Caracas to save Maduro must step back & let Venezuelans decide their own future." Dick Durbin.

    "Maduro is killing and starving his people. He is denying them healtcare. ...... Venezuela has essentially been in the dark, and we are at the point that Venezuela is nothing short of a failed state." Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

    "Liberty & freedom is never easy. But it is always worth it. #Venezuela." Little Marco Rubio.

    Our Country is known as United States. Of America. And frankly, we're not so united. On many things, we're not. But, we're totally and completely united on this one. Go Juanny Boy!!!!

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Wednesday May 01 2019, @06:57AM (1 child)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 01 2019, @06:57AM (#837111) Journal

      Your current signature (#FREEVUVUZUELA [soylentnews.org]) earned you a +Funny

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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Pav on Wednesday May 01 2019, @07:10AM (1 child)

    by Pav (114) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @07:10AM (#837117)

    An overthrow of the Venzuelan government is supported in a bi-partisan way, and across the board in mainstream media. For another take check out The Grayzone Project [youtube.com] or The Real News [youtube.com]. The reporters from these chanels have been on the ground for months in Venezuela and have come to conclusions very different from the accepted narrative.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Bot on Wednesday May 01 2019, @10:41AM

      by Bot (3902) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @10:41AM (#837156) Journal

      > An overthrow of the Venzuelan government is supported in a bi-partisan way, and across the board in mainstream media.

      a major sign something is not quite right.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Bot on Wednesday May 01 2019, @10:49AM (21 children)

    by Bot (3902) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @10:49AM (#837159) Journal

    So, the people of Venezuela have to pick between an increasingly panicked and authoritarian left (but I repeat myself) and a Guaido' whose only legitimacy comes from a rule in Venezuelan law that says the president of the assembly gets in charge in case of trouble, acclamated by an ideologically opposite foreign power? Poor guys.

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    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @01:16PM (10 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @01:16PM (#837217)

      lol no, barely left but for mororicans and the like who know shit about CENTURIES of economic, political and military colonialism and imperialism yeah, "left"

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @04:29PM (8 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @04:29PM (#837351)

        I would mark your post redundant but sadly the message still hasn't sunk in to that NPC's response matrix. Seems like its cycle is set to agitate, I wonder what the spin cycle will look like.

        • (Score: 2, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:10PM (7 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:10PM (#837384) Journal

          Give me 10 minutes in a room alone with him and a few yards of razor wire and we'll find out. Probably like that one fatality Kabal does in MK...9, I think?

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          • (Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Thursday May 02 2019, @03:46PM (6 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 02 2019, @03:46PM (#837924) Journal

            Give me 10 minutes in a room alone with him and a few yards of razor wire and we'll find out.

            You propose a non-violent means of communication that just happens to use razor wire, right? Or are you resorting to your first resort [soylentnews.org]?

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday May 02 2019, @05:29PM (5 children)

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday May 02 2019, @05:29PM (#837998) Journal

              I wanna see how long he can spin without throwing up, and if I can do that ting Kung Lao does only without the razor hat. What's wrong with you? It's for SCIENCE (TM)!

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              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday May 02 2019, @08:30PM (4 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 02 2019, @08:30PM (#838096) Journal
                So it's supposed to be joke now? I'll read the memo on that.
                • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday May 02 2019, @09:11PM (3 children)

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday May 02 2019, @09:11PM (#838127) Journal

                  AC wanted to know what Bot's spin cycle looked like. I remembered Kabal and Kung Lao have moves that make the opponent spin at several thousand RPM. These, if you are not aware, are not actual people. So yes, that was a joke from the beginning. Why is it you authoritarian types don't actually have a sense of humor? That's the one commonality I notice about all of you: you're basically permanently constipated.

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                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday May 13 2019, @01:21PM (2 children)

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 13 2019, @01:21PM (#842992) Journal

                    Why is it you authoritarian types don't actually have a sense of humor?

                    To answer your question, for authoritarians, humor is merely another tool for expressing one's group identity. Further, everything runs through the authoritarian filter. Normal humor, since it doesn't express the right things then becomes a threat to the worldview and is marginalized. All that makes them quite unfunny to everyone else who hasn't bought into the package.

                    What I find interesting here is how it is my fault that your sense of humor involves razor wire and blindly accusing others of being authoritarian types. It's almost like you ran out of credible things to say and only then, desperately clung to humor to continue the assault.

                    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday May 14 2019, @03:42AM (1 child)

                      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday May 14 2019, @03:42AM (#843262) Journal

                      ...okay, I guess that sort of comment *is* darkly funny, but you never do anything else. And it's not really my kind of humor; I never got my yuks laughing at the disadvantaged or disabled. But keep on keepin' on; you're nothing if not consistent in the overall tenor (and signal-to-noise ratio...) of your posts.

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                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday May 14 2019, @09:48PM

                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 14 2019, @09:48PM (#843612) Journal

                        but you never do anything else.

                        Try reading my posts sometime.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday May 02 2019, @02:12PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 02 2019, @02:12PM (#837866) Journal

        lol no, barely left but for mororicans and the like who know shit about CENTURIES of economic, political and military colonialism and imperialism yeah, "left"

        Are there any real leftists anywhere in the world? I'm starting to think they're a subspecies of unicorn.

    • (Score: 2, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:11PM (9 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday May 01 2019, @05:11PM (#837386) Journal

      Go to Hell, you fucking ghoul. You wouldn't know "left wing" if it ripped out all the diodes down your left side and force-fed you them.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 02 2019, @04:30AM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 02 2019, @04:30AM (#837671)

        Nobody accused Venezuela of being non-left until the shit hit the fan. Our own most prominent Socialist, Bernie Sanders, was praising Venezuela on August 5th, 2011. (last paragraph at http://archive.is/gsqr7) [archive.is] and just 11 days ago (see https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/on-venezuela-bernie-sanders-proves-socialisms-choking-immorality [washingtonexaminer.com] for that) refused to call for Nicolas Maduro to step down.

        It is authoritarian to ban guns. This was done by the National Socialists, by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and by Venezuela. Socialists all around the world, including here in the USA, want to ban guns. This stops opposition. It's hard to fight for your freedom when you have weak weapons.

        Socialists of all kinds, from watered-down democrats to full extremist commies, start off with nice-sounding promises. At first, only a few productive people (particularly business owners) are hurt. In the end the socialists run out of other people's money, discover that humans won't work for free, and have to turn extremely violent.

        It is fundamentally authoritarian to proclaim severe limitations on the free exchange of ideas and goods. Price floors, price ceilings, control of media, control of education, control of medicine, and so many other parts of socialist systems are very obviously authoritarian.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday May 02 2019, @05:12AM (4 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday May 02 2019, @05:12AM (#837678) Journal

          Authoritarianism isn't the province of the right or left exclusively. And if you think a bunch of people calling themselves "socialist" actually makes them that, well, I give you the Democratic Peoples' Republic of Korea. You're really reaching, and still failing to grasp.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 02 2019, @06:36AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 02 2019, @06:36AM (#837694)

            Augusto José Ramón Pinochet Ugarte was authoritarian right. Francisco Franco Bahamonde was authoritarian right.

            That's about it. Dozens upon dozens of famous dictators have all been leftist. As they teach medical students: when you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras. Practically speaking, the authoritarian right does not exist. It's a fantasy of the leftist mind. The non-authoritarian left is also pretty exotic, and I can't even come up with an example for that one. It may be impossible, probably because "from each according to his ability" only comes from the barrel of a gun.

            "Democratic Peoples' Republic of Korea" is a fine reminder that "Peoples'" signifies negation. Normally we should believe one claiming to be socialist. In every case I'm aware of, they are either socialist or communist.

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday May 02 2019, @05:30PM

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday May 02 2019, @05:30PM (#838001) Journal

              Sounds to me like "authoritarian right" is just poorly organized then, LOL.

              But no, seriously: don't conflate the economic left-right axis with the social left-right axis. They're orthogonal to one another, and for very good reason. Social authoritarians can work in either economic extreme, because both extremes are impossible to live sanely under.

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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday May 02 2019, @08:34PM (1 child)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 02 2019, @08:34PM (#838101) Journal

            Authoritarianism isn't the province of the right or left exclusively.

            Is that backpedaling I hear?

            And if you think a bunch of people calling themselves "socialist" actually makes them that, well, I give you the Democratic Peoples' Republic of Korea.

            Are they supposed to not be socialist? Do tell!

            So No True Socialist would do these terrible things. Unfortunately, there's a lot of fake socialists in the world, and it's awful hard to tell the fake ones apart from the real ones.

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday May 02 2019, @09:08PM

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday May 02 2019, @09:08PM (#838125) Journal

              No, Hallow, I've said for a long time that authoritarianism can fall anywhere along the economic left/right axis. You, of course, have selective vision and a poor memory.

              No True Socialist (TM) is also a strawman. Some socialists would, and their placement on the on authoritarian/freedom axis doesn't change their placement on the economic left/economic right axis. So some true socialists do, some don't, some true capitalists do, and some don't.

              You really suck at this. A child could see what you're trying (and failing) to pull.

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      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday May 02 2019, @03:01PM (2 children)

        by Bot (3902) on Thursday May 02 2019, @03:01PM (#837904) Journal

        I sense you took it a bit personally. In fact I don't care about common people being commies, or the other kind of socialists, the natsoc. You pick one ideal, you follow it without silencing your conscience, alright with me. Venezuela just replayed the same old authoritarian crash and burn. Maybe, by floating on oil, they can resist the clear imperialist attempt by the US.

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        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday May 14 2019, @03:43AM (1 child)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday May 14 2019, @03:43AM (#843264) Journal

          I don't want to hear a word about ideology or conscience from someone who follows a hardline Catholic worldview. You people are goddamn insane.

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          • (Score: 2) by Bot on Tuesday May 14 2019, @05:49PM

            by Bot (3902) on Tuesday May 14 2019, @05:49PM (#843511) Journal

            > who follows a hardline Catholic worldview.

            Hey, thanks, but adulation seems out of place in this context.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @12:51PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @12:51PM (#837198)

    This is exactly the model situation why I ceased to believe in deceitful liberalism and fake democracy. There is no good inside those people, nor is wisdom.

  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @03:28PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 01 2019, @03:28PM (#837310)

    You can vote your way in to socialism. You'll have to shoot your way out.

    Trouble is, the socialists know this. They bad guns. Venezuela has done exactly that, just a few years back, preparing for exactly this fight.

    It's normal in history. It was done by the National Socialist party, and by the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Here now, in the USA, we have a Socialists trying to ban guns. It's wholly predictable, and we know what the results would be if they succeed.

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