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The proposal is part of Sanders' broader plan for police reform.
Wait, they used WOODY HARRELSON as a template? And I'm not sure why facial recognition is the focus here, when I feel that the end of providing military equipment to police forces is much more impactful a change.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 20 2019, @12:49AM (2 children)
Be disruptive and innovate the facial recognition algorithm with crowdsourcing. In other words, bring in witnesses to do police lineups.
(Score: 2) by Alfred on Tuesday August 20 2019, @01:52PM (1 child)
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday August 20 2019, @03:29PM
inaccurate: Easily manipulated to achieve the 'wanted' result.
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 20 2019, @12:55AM (2 children)
The police will just subpoena the data off all IOT devices in a 5 mile radius.
What the state cannot do legally, they simply outsources.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 20 2019, @01:01AM (1 child)
Private security cameras are numerous, but since when did facial recognition become a standard feature?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 20 2019, @01:05AM
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/18/facial-recognition-is-now-rampant-implications-for-our-freedom-are-chilling [theguardian.com]
It's becoming more common.
That wasn't the article I remembered seeing a couple days ago, so if someone can find a better one, thanks.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 20 2019, @12:56AM (13 children)
Every politician makes all sorts of promises that people want during campaign times. Expect more. Pretty soon you may see the following proposals similar to what we have seen in the past.
Patent lengths need to be shortened. We need to figure out a way to get rid of all the junk patents.
Copyright lengths need to be reduced.
We need to expand fair use.
Trump even saying we need to reduce surveillance by asking 'Congress to Reauthorize NSA’s Deactivated Call Records Program'
As soon as elections are over these ideas are long forgotten and it's back to business as usual. Tell the people what they want to hear during elections then act in corporate interests and expand government surveillance after.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 20 2019, @01:24AM (6 children)
Except look at voting records. Some politicians are more full of shit than others. Sanders has a solid record of standing for what he believes in. As POTUS he will have limited power and I'm sure some issues will be more complicated when he gets the detailed national security info, but that is the same for every candidate.
The push for apathy is strong with the trolls.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 20 2019, @02:06AM (1 child)
I'm the same person that created the comment you responded to.
Disclaimer: I'm not a democrat. I tend to be more libertarian/pirate partisan (though I don't necessarily believe in IP abolition and, unlike libertarians, I do believe in strong environmental protection laws).
While I may disagree with Bernie on many issues I do agree he is not a bought and paid for shill. I do agree he stands by what he believes.
To be honest, I also don't think Trump is paid for by corporate interests either. I do think he's unqualified to be president. I think early on in his campaign and presidency he was sincere about improving America but later on he's starting to realize he's gotten in way over his head (won't admit it though) and he's redacted so many of his promises.
He's completely allowing North Korea to run all over him.
He was all for tough sanctions on China but he's been delaying them (again).
Not that I agree or disagree but the point is how he's handled himself and how he's changed his mind so many times makes him very confusing. He came acting like he's going to change everything and it's going to be a piece of cake and so far he hasn't really followed through with much of what he said would be just so easy to do. He starts something and backs out and then claims victory anyways.
That's why I stopped voting years ago. I figured no matter who gets elected we're screwed regardless.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 20 2019, @06:50AM
NO, you are NOT!! Prove it, AC!!! Let's see your FACE! Your original face before your parents where born! Or at least the face of your father that you have forgotten, dark tower, something, something. Who ARE you? "No one of consequence." Oh, I must know. "Be prepared for disappointment."
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 20 2019, @02:08PM (3 children)
No national security issue is worth sacrificing our freedoms for.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday August 20 2019, @03:33PM (2 children)
"Meesa thinks uh weesa should give the chancellor emergency powers." -- Jar Jar Binks
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(Score: 2) by Reziac on Wednesday August 21 2019, @03:23AM (1 child)
I'm reminded of the theory that JarJar was originally intended to be the Really Big Bad, undercover as a moron.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Wednesday August 21 2019, @03:10PM
Another theory is that it might be possible, though improbable, for an entire race of morons to evolve and even develop technology.
I am wondering how far along that path of evolution we are at this point?
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(Score: 5, Interesting) by Thexalon on Tuesday August 20 2019, @01:30AM (3 children)
Yes, it's a campaign promise. Take it for whatever that's worth.
On the other hand:
1. Bernie Sanders historically has been willing to put his votes and whatever clout he can muster where his mouth is. That's in large part because his campaign funding model is completely different from the standard "spend 2/3 of your time dialing for $2800 checks" plan that most politicians on both sides of the aisle use.
2. Sanders also has a habit of making ideas that were seen as "too radical" seem a lot more mainstream than they used to be, which could conceivably eventually make a policy change happen. As an example of this, his Medicare For All plan hasn't changed all that much in the last 4 years, but Democrats who wouldn't touch that idea with a 20' pole a few years ago are now all clamoring to pretend to agree with it.
3. If it's winning politics to support these kinds of reforms, and losing politics to oppose them, even politicians might be able to figure that out and act accordingly.
Is it a guarantee? Heck no. Is it useful? Yes.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday August 20 2019, @04:20PM (2 children)
Bernie was a fine candidate last time. But he got shafted by a corrupt DNC that was owned lock, stock, and barrel by the Clintons. He will be shafted this time by a corrupt DNC that is still owned lock, stock, and barrel by the Clintons.
He will never be the Democratic nominee. Biden is the heir apparent. But if Biden is too geriatric to seal the deal, Warren will be the compromise candidate because she sold her soul to the Clintons and they own her now. The Clintons would never tolerate someone as independent and scrupulous as Bernie.
The Democratic base should have burned the DNC to the ground last time. They should have walked away and started a real progressive party with real progressive policies. Instead, they have been enticed into an identitarian hermeneutic cycle that is meant to purify itself into total irrelevance and hate.
But that didn't happen, so we can all expect the exact opposite of tech policy that protects citizens from corporate and government exploitation. President Bernie would propose a ban on facial recognition, and Congress would patently ignore him and mandate facial recognition everywhere, from elementary school up and through buying groceries. That is the future that the corporate overlords have planned for you.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by meustrus on Tuesday August 20 2019, @09:49PM (1 child)
A Democrat once said, "I'm not a member of an organized political party".
Democrats didn't get that way by accident. The party voters are barely able to keep the existing party running. You expect them to spin up a new one?
If there isn't at least one reference or primary source, it's not +1 Informative. Maybe the underused +1 Interesting?
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday August 20 2019, @10:55PM
I started my adult political life in the Green Party, then in the progressive grassroots of the Democratic Party, which is to say that I absolutely have to cede you that point.
Still, one can dream. How fine it would be to have a party whose leadership actually cared about regular people and their earthly needs, rather than operating as a front for corporatocratic kabuki theater.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Coward, Anonymous on Tuesday August 20 2019, @05:16AM (1 child)
I just posted this in a different thread, but it also applies here:
Random things somebody says, especially a politician, are not really "promises". They have to say it's a promise, otherwise it can just be argued away. People do have a right to change their minds, unless they really committed to a certain course of action.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday August 20 2019, @03:37PM
Politicians should say what they mean and mean what they say. If they have a position on something, it should be something they've at least thought about, if not actually researched. This is public policy we're talking about. Not just what whims we want to make into law depending on which way the wind blows.
Changing your mind should be a rare thing for a politician. When a politician does it, it is an admission that they either (A) didn't understand the issue well enough, or (B) have now become a wholly owned subsidiary of some corporation or extortionist.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 20 2019, @01:18AM (23 children)
There's a middle ground between "total surveillance of everyone everywhere" and "total ban on this technology." We already have a very effective precedent for this in the form of wiretapping laws. Yes, the police can do wiretaps, but only when they need to. What is needed is a useful law that establishes fair ground rules.
Getting rid of police militarization is a good idea pretty much start to finish, though. The police don't need tanks.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by c0lo on Tuesday August 20 2019, @01:30AM (9 children)
Why do you hate MIC-style capitalism? If there's no buyer for old stuff, how can they justify the maintenance costs passed on the tax-payers? Do you want to see jobs being lost? Destitute people not able to pay the taxes used to finance the maintenance of those tanks? (grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Funny) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday August 20 2019, @01:45AM (5 children)
I find your flippant attitude concerning.
Of course the Police need tanks. What if they come across some teenagers smoking pot in a park at night?
(Score: 3, Touché) by takyon on Tuesday August 20 2019, @01:47AM (3 children)
Nuke them from orbit.
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday August 20 2019, @02:12AM
Ah yes. Some of those teens can be quite intimidating.
Also they might make fun of me because my trousers are no longer in style.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Tuesday August 20 2019, @03:14AM
It IS the only and FINAL solution to getting them OFF muh DAMN LAWN!
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday August 20 2019, @04:22PM
With teenagers smoking pot and drinking in the park, it might sooner be
puke them from orbit.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday August 20 2019, @02:38AM
They need the last generation, then. The prev generations aren't capable of face recognition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday August 20 2019, @06:55AM (2 children)
One of my favorite ballads, "Black Day in July", Gordon Lightfoot [youtube.com] (Canadian!!):
About the Detroit riots, if any of the geriatric Soylentils can remember back to things like Watts, well before the Rodney King riots, or the Fergeson demonstrations, or, well, we need more tanks in Texas.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday August 20 2019, @04:26PM (1 child)
Don't need tanks.
I have always admired what the dude in Colorado did [youtube.com]. That's how you go out in style.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Wednesday August 21 2019, @03:44AM
Holy shit... and that video is just the tail end:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vs9TSwCvm2E [youtube.com]
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by legont on Tuesday August 20 2019, @01:56AM
Perhaps, we could start with recognition that logging network activity is wiretapping and simply apply the old law to everebody the way it was intended to.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Tuesday August 20 2019, @08:40AM (9 children)
"Yes, the police can do wiretaps, but only when they need to."
Aren't you adorable.
They record everything, they lie about it, and always have. Former verizon engineer who trained me for a job told me everything has been recorded permanently since Jan 1 1964.
The government that did that is the actual government, the facade you are talking about are the clowns who are unable to arrest or imprison people like jeffrey epstein without permission from Tel Aviv, where NCR allows our checkout transactions to be processed and monitored. For now.
Until you stop watching their news channels, you will remain completely unaware of how the world works, and none of it will make any sense at all. That this news was getting out on the chans is the reason and only reason those sites are now shutdown.
With the keys of information I am throwing your way, you have at least some chance to catch up. My xmr and btc is posted on my homepage, thank me later.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 20 2019, @10:03AM (8 children)
Don't you have an illuminati meeting to go to? Or did the lizard people cancel it for this month?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday August 20 2019, @04:29PM (5 children)
Did you miss the whole thing with Snowden? Binney? Drake?
Because after all the conspiracy theories have been proven, it doesn't really work anymore to dismiss people who talk about them as conspiracy theorists. At that point, they are citing facts.
Now, shouldn't you run along to your Illuminati meeting, or did the lizard people cancel it for this month?
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Wednesday August 21 2019, @04:58PM (4 children)
Thank you for saying this.
If I had a nickle for every time an anon appeared to call me a loon for basically stating the obvious...
I have decided that the fav goto of people paid to crack consensus and 'handle' truth getting out on social media sites is 'thought terminating cliche + dismissive attack on sanity' of the poster. This fits the pattern, I am a many year veteran of r/conspiracy also. reddit was having to go to extreme lengths to make it look like they weren't censoring me, but they were.
Really, I will argue and debate all day long about my claims. That is what I am here for.
But that is clearly not what the people wiring the united states/world for absolute top down control want, so they fling turds and remind me continually that they are watching. What I like about SN is that other people can see that they are watching.
If you want to look up two things that I know for sure are part of the real government: Dyncorp, Michael Chertoff
But someone should really get the NCR ceo on record saying where they process transactions, he isn't returning my calls.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday August 21 2019, @09:32PM (3 children)
That is actually the NSA playbook. Check out the Snowden documents on JTRIG. It's a powerpoint deck that spells out what you're talking about.
It's why I have said since, when the subject comes up, that the NSA and Illuminati (or lizard people, or Deep State, or 1%, or MIC, or whatever monicker one prefers) are playing with fire by disrupting peaceful consensus formation in our world democracies. What they'll get instead of predictable and manageable factions is utter dissolution of social order when the contradictions, corruption, and unadulterated evil they are causes everyone to lose their shit at once. It would dwarf what happened when that taxi driver in Tunisia set himself on fire and sparked the Arab Spring.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Thursday August 22 2019, @06:57AM (2 children)
We can be friends.
I am writing a comment about this atomiization effect in the thread on 'women drinking more alcohol' and it's the same thing.
From what I have seen, which has really shaken my ability to believe the constitution is real, is that it is not just online. Social nexus locations are used to manipulate society on a person to person level with a literal army of undercovers.
Which is why I don't believe all of these people going postal are real. If you look into their backgrounds they had muckymucks egging them on, which is terrifying even to me. The mean things they have done to me could only have been done by sociopaths, so I can no longer doubt that actual u.s. government agents would spin up a fringe loony and set them loose on unsuspecting people. There are also foreign countries that are totally making bank and expanding their borders while the united states burns over this white supremacy mania, and whose agents are also operating freely in the united states.
So while I agree that they are risking real rioting, they are practicing an evolutionary control of movements. Did you read the article about 5 prominent ferguson protestors dying mysteriously? Conspiracy theorist will be a psychological designation, maybe won't be able to have a gun, maybe will be under permanent investigation. Same for 'antisemitism', and the people deciding what that means are going to be israelis who no one should trust at this point.
They are not concerned about a mob of a million people so long as that million people has no capable leadership and no one can trust another person, and they have everyone's facegag profile.
Am I the only one who has seen Invasion USA with chuck norris? That plus They Live, except instead of aliens there are a bunch of people especially republicans who are on board with a completely different plan that they aren't telling us. It looks like they are making a fake insurrection they can forcibly put down and then make a list of everyone who ever supported it, and by association silence everyone who doesn't believe the official story of 9/11.
If I were to make an educated guess. That's why I am being loud about what I have experienced, from what I have seen people like me are costing money to suppress and they are eventually going to look for a more affordable solution.
I write about a lot of these things at my website, you might like Important Definitions or some of my meme collections. I believe you can spout off about whatever you want, but the moment you really start directly addressing the cultural hegemony of the totalitarian system, your life and livelihood are in danger. I have seen evidence of this in my life, which should scare everyone.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday August 22 2019, @06:38PM (1 child)
When I was active in the progressive grassroots, NYPD undercover officers infiltrated our meetings.
Infiltration and subversion are tactics those in power use to suppress challenges to their power. Unfortunately it is still not widely understood by Americans and citizens of other countries that it is not the Left who does it to the Right, or the Right who does it to the Left, but the tiny number of power elites who do it to everyone else. Those same power elites are always in power, no matter which party "controls" the government. The exact composition of who is in the power elite might change a little over time, but the dynamic never goes away. Democracy as a form of government is only a slightly more palatable fig leaf on the naked exercise of that power.
We have arrived at a historical moment, however, in which it is practically speaking just as possible for one of us to do to them what they have always done to us. Knowledge is power, and we all have access to that same knowledge now.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Friday August 23 2019, @10:30AM
We can be friends.
I recently learned about Antonio Gramsi (sp) and cultural hegemony, and it is like a giant key opened up. It is like what Gene Sharp says about all government and systems. It's not monolithic like one thing, it is like something that sits on pillars.
In the united states, what I saw, and am seeing in europe, is that one of the biggest pillars is surveillance and undermining of the people who know things and have leadership capacity outside of their hierarchy. I agree these hieararchies exist in a continuum outside of what we can change with elections, and what has been done to me in my life, which now goes back over 20 years, exists outside of any legal code. Or if the real wingnuts are correct, in the united states there are 'executive orders' that are kept secret which essentially nullify the constitution for people who work out of underground bases. All I know is as far as I know, I had no rights. They did unlimited mean things to me, so long as no above board record could be made.
The epstein affair however has revealed a big part of the ruling hegemony, that israeli haganuah/irgun/mossad/etc are allowed to operate above the law, and if you pay close attention all of the media channels owned by israelis like CNN, and others where it is not so clear like Hufffpo, not only ignore that Epstein worked directly with Ehud Barak, but simply brush the story under the rug as if it is just another case of white privilege like they did with the weinstein thing.
A big problem of the tyranny in the united states is that israel is using the united states as a bottomless pit of military aid in order to invade its neighbors for more lebensraum and they have been lying to us the entire time pretending to be the victim. This idiotic alliance has also allowed people with israel first allegiance(michael chertoff, rahm emmaneul) to propagate all over the place establishing their own cultural hegemony, like you will never be an actor, writer, comedian, musician, if you are not pre-approved by israeli hasbara. And the u.s. military is using israeli encryption, and intel processors are now going to be made there, etc etc. So it's not just epstein and weinstein hiring creeps to evade prosecution for raping, it is a potentially a systemwide takeover. It seems to feed the white nationalist movement and BLM at the same time, like they want to see a civil war. It seems like they want to lock up everyone who doesn't/won't believe the official 9/11 story.
So if you try to start a peace rally, or boycott israel for its racist apartheid bullshit, you are Day 1 facing top level militarized opposition with immense resources to immobilize whatever it is you are doing. Or if you make a news forum site like SN, guess what, advanced persistent threat takedowns at moments where the same people are trying to push a different narrative.
It is true by typing you can do a lot, I believe I have done a lot here at SN to call attention to the threat of undercovers to all movements including software enterprises, and I feel good about that. I am also trying to boycott victoria's secret as at this moment in time, we were able to see what the muckymucks are up to, and it can't be business as usual.
Or as I put it, I'm ok with rich and poor and cops and jewish people and being surveiled somewhat, but if you need a steady string of children disappearing into your mansions and skyscrapers and yachts, we are at an impasse.
And that's what epstein represents, a jewish israeli agent and ehud barak used their jewish-ness as a cover to be a super creepy person and all of the american police and journalists had to shut up about it for 20 years for reasons they won't even explain to us.
Or are we to tell the 13 year old victims that they had to be raped and turned out for national security? Are police to be given this update, if they see any kidnapped kids make sure the kidnappers have israeli passports?
I'm still waiting for an answer, but the hasbara team is doing that thing where they pretend things that upset them don't exist.
(Score: 2) by Sourcery42 on Tuesday August 20 2019, @04:39PM (1 child)
Shhh! You'll scare the Proles.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday August 21 2019, @09:39PM
It's the spooks who should be spooked. They like to flatter themselves that they sit at the center of all power, that they know so much more than we all here do. But they are not the bright lights, the deep thinkers and creative minds who built the systems they slavishly use. If you stop and think for a moment, that makes sense; after all, they work for the government. Nobody who is really bright and creative chooses to work for the government. At least, not for long. After all why yoke your genius and burning desire to leave a mark on the world to a bunch of simpering bureaucrats and kiss-asses who want you to fill out forms in triplicate to go to the bathroom? You wouldn't. You wouldn't at all.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 20 2019, @02:18PM
Which is what we'll get with facial recognition, because the more data they have, the more useful the system becomes to them. And, governments around the world have shown no hesitation in conducting (often illegal) mass surveillance on their populations, especially the US government. How do you propose they use facial recognition tech without conducting mass surveillance on the populace, given that that's the most useful way to use it for governments?
Which they violate constantly. Never heard of Stingrays?
Collecting facial recognition data at all is dangerous and evil in and of itself, so there can be no "fair ground rules" that allow its use.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday August 20 2019, @03:42PM
Sometimes it is impossible to come to any kind of middle ground due to lack of trust of the other position.
Let me plug a couple different variables into your statement:
You see it is not so easy to find a reasonable middle ground. So one of the polar extremes is going to end up as the ultimate result. Or depending on which way the wind blows, we will shift between both extremes, because no compromise can be permitted. And I mean surveillance too. There probably are some reasonable uses of it.
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(Score: 2, Interesting) by GlennC on Tuesday August 20 2019, @01:26AM (10 children)
Senator Sanders (whom I refer to as Senator Sellout) is only looking to milk as many suckers as he can before he gets his payoff from the Party, then he's going to quit. That was his plan in 2016, and he's repeating it now.
Senator Sellout knows that tech geeks have money, so he's pandering to them. Then, after Uncle Joe Biden gets the nomination, the "Democrats" will browbeat the suckers that bought Senator Sellout's snake oil, telling them to "vote Blue no matter who."
Frankly, we're screwed at this point.
Sorry folks...the world is bigger and more varied than you want it to be. Deal with it.
(Score: 5, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday August 20 2019, @01:41AM (6 children)
That's the second time in recent days I have seen that view shared.
You should make your mind up whether it's the party or the tech companies that are going "pay him off" though.
Also, the Fox News talking point is actually that it's all the campaign contributions he steals, so you have not been listening.
Anyway, the US is not going to elect Bernie, he's too old. Who the hell would elect someone in their seventies?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 20 2019, @02:20PM (1 child)
People who care about policy substance, instead of mostly superficial issues like age?
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Wednesday August 21 2019, @03:51AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kygB-PA2ibs [youtube.com]
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2, Informative) by dwilson on Tuesday August 20 2019, @04:30PM (3 children)
Sanders is only four years older than Trump, who is currently 73.
If anything, the takeaway based on empirical evidence is that age is no indication of reliability.
- D
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday August 20 2019, @08:08PM (2 children)
That depends on the evidence.
I am old enough to remember when your Mr. Reagan spent the last two years of his presidency suffering from Alzheimer's Disease.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday August 20 2019, @10:12PM (1 child)
Anyway, yeah, some of us remember the pres who brought us "Princess David" (I'm a brit, of course I remember that one). What a great world leader he was. It's truly amazing how you've managed to come up with worse since!
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday August 20 2019, @10:22PM
I'm not sure I was being ironic.
I'm not sure I would vote for someone in their seventies to run anything, it's too old.
Having said that, Bernie Sanders' policies are exactly what the US needs, but I don't think there is any way he will get the Democratic nomination.
Not me mate. I'm not American.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 20 2019, @01:36PM (2 children)
The C is for coward!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 20 2019, @03:28PM (1 child)
what C?
(Score: 2) by GlennC on Saturday August 24 2019, @01:49AM
I'm assuming the C at the end of my user name.
Sorry folks...the world is bigger and more varied than you want it to be. Deal with it.
(Score: 0, Troll) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Tuesday August 20 2019, @06:53AM
This word 'police' what does it really mean when they are at a fusion center with 50 military agencies and a few israeli double agents?
To that group of people someone protesting the occupation in palestine or better, to bring the troops home from their failed WoT atrocity, is 100x more of a threat than a murderer or rapist.
If they weren't actually ok with murder they wouldn't be shooting 'key' protestors in the head and if they cared about rape, they would have been able to keep epstein in jail without the keystone cops routine.
I think Bernie knows this but he is right to be diplomatic.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by tangomargarine on Tuesday August 20 2019, @03:31PM
I'm just glad a high-profile politician is bringing up any issue at all about the police. To quote an old Green Site post,
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"