from the or-else-they-will-send-you...-to-prison? dept.
California law bans for-profit, private prisons, immigration detention centers
California Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a bill on Friday [October 11] that would eliminate private, for-profit prisons, including those used for immigration detention, by 2028.
Starting on Jan. 2020, the state's Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation won't be able to enter into or renew a contract with a private, for-profit prison to incarcerate people.
Operating a private immigration detention facility and incarcerating people in for-profit prisons will be prohibited after Jan. 2028, according to the newly signed law.
[...] The Adelanto Detention Facility, which is one of the nation's biggest privately-run immigration detention centers, will be phased out under the new law.
This past summer, the Department of Homeland Security's Office of Inspector General released a report that found "egregious violations of detention standards" at the Adelanto Detention Facility, including "nooses in detainee cells, improper and overly restrictive segregation, and inadequate detainee medical care."
[...] GEO Group, a for-profit prison company with dozens of facilities in California including the Adelanto Facility, previously has stated that the bill "works against the state's Proposition 57 anti-recidivism goals approved by the voters," referring to a ballot proposition passed in 2016 to reduce the number of people who were re-incarcerated in the state.
The company reported revenues of $2.33 billion in 2018, up from $2.26 billion in 2017. The facilities have been criticized for employing immigrants for as little as $1 a day.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 21 2019, @08:08PM (8 children)
Now dem illegal aliens is takin' our prison jobs!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 21 2019, @08:20PM (1 child)
It is a well known fact that aliens have an established history of administering anal probes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 21 2019, @08:26PM
Hell! By now you've probably been to every planet in the Galaxy!
(Score: 0, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Monday October 21 2019, @08:37PM (5 children)
Well, I too think private prisons are a bad thing for a number of reasons, but one comment I read about La Migra is,"Good job Gavin, now instead of going to the local detention centers to visit their captured loved-ones, now they'll have to drive hundreds of miles out of state to see them."
Liberal retardation is just super-retarded, like the straw ban that causes people to request straws (always on hand) anyway, and ends up generating more waste than before. And don't even get me started on California's "tolerant and progressive" humanitarian attitude towards the homeless.
Look, I may not always agree with globalist Jewish progressivism, but I would totally respect idealistic laws as long as there was actually some thought put into trying to predict their consequences instead of just sticking it to MUH ORANGE MAN BAD. Maybe those idiots should be kicked out onto the streets and forced to live there, might put a little common-sense into them.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 21 2019, @08:54PM (1 child)
Or a trend, like when weed legalization got rolling.
Eliminate for-profit prisons and they either move to country government control, state government control, or federal control. Each of those has a level of scrutiny and responsibility that private prisons have been intentionally created to avoid.
Personally I think this may force hands on the logistics of arrestee and inmate handling that will either cause the problem to come to a head, or lead to them taking the easy approach and just releasing people because 'all our holding facilities are full'. In the latter case, with luck the less threatening incarcerated will go free while the high threat individuals will be kept inside, allowing functional members of society to return to their toil for our greater glory, while the economic undesireables stay incarcerated and work for what we feel they are worth.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Ethanol-fueled on Monday October 21 2019, @10:16PM
Imprisoning the homeless would be doing them favors, the well-behaving ones would learn job skills, and as long as the imprisonment of the homeless would be giving them 3 hots and a cot and placing them into a different and more productive context than punishment for criminal behavior, where they can't do drugs and booze, let's try it. But homelessness as an ill of society and described to America at large is 99% a problem of San Francisco, Los Angles, and New York City.
It's really a problem of affordable housing, but when a Jew or Chink with dirty money can sell a 200 square-foot shack for two-million dollars, don't bet on that problem being resolved anytime soon.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 21 2019, @09:14PM
Blame the Brits. They went soft after World War 2.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 21 2019, @11:46PM
You want some thought put into the consequences of laws? That's good. I want the same thing.
The consequences of existing law, are that judges are more or less coerced into KEEPING prisons filled. The United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world. It's not because we have the most violent society in the world, it's because our sentencing guidelines are crazy. Non-violent offenders should never see the inside of a prison. A jail, maybe, but not a prison. Non-violent offenders, like some dumbass who has been caught three times with a bit of pot, should be free people like you and me. Non-violent offenders who are guilty of petty thefts should be working restitution and community service. Our prisons are literally filled with people who never should have gone to prison. They are there because wealthy sons of bitches made back-room agreements.
"Well, Judge, I can afford to build a 1000 bed facility in your jurisdiction, but you'll have to guarantee that you can keep it filled to capacity!"
That was a part of the reason pot was made illegal. Dem niggas was getting uppity, and dey was enjoying demselves, so we had to lock dem up for dere own good! Of course, today, it isn't just blacks and Latinos who enjoy their pot, but a white body makes just as much money for the slavers as any other.
I detest everything about the prison for profit system. Those who profit from human misery are no better than the traffikers moving their slave whores around the world. Scum of the earth is what they are.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 22 2019, @12:28AM
Your stupidity is worse than usual when you write long, rambling, meaningless posts.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Monday October 21 2019, @08:43PM (27 children)
The last thing a free country should want is a business that makes more money the more people are convicted of crimes regardless of whether they committed said crime, or whether that crime actually harms anybody. The effort to privatize prisons created exactly that, and the result was an ongoing effort to keep prisons full even as reported crime has gone down dramatically.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by ikanreed on Monday October 21 2019, @08:47PM (13 children)
It's not like judges will take bribes to insure innocent children are convicted of crimes they didn't commit then hand down maximum punishments in some kind of payola with human lives or anything.
(Score: 5, Informative) by nitehawk214 on Monday October 21 2019, @09:59PM (12 children)
Not at all:
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/08/11/139536686/pa-judge-sentenced-to-28-years-in-massive-juvenile-justice-bribery-scandal [npr.org]
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 5, Insightful) by ikanreed on Monday October 21 2019, @10:05PM (11 children)
The thing about the scandal the unnerves me is there's no fucking way that's the only time it happened.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 21 2019, @11:48PM (10 children)
It happens every day, across the country. Pretty much all jurisdictions are part of the system. A single judge got overly greedy, and went so far that he couldn't be ignored or covered up. But, it's every day.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 22 2019, @12:51AM (3 children)
I wish they would liquidate his assets and retirement accounts to make some restitution to those he wronged.
He was in a position to ruin other people's lives, and he did.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 22 2019, @12:58AM (1 child)
That would be a start. Then, we need to do the same with everyone involved in the system. Reduce them to the status of the "criminals" that they have profited from. Put their asses to work at hard labor, to make proper restitution to their victims.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 22 2019, @06:08PM
and all the seditious pigs who enforce the drug war in contravention of their constitutional oath.
(Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Tuesday October 22 2019, @10:03PM
There is still a lawsuit going on as to whether or not the judge gets his pension.
"Don't you ever miss the days when you used to be nostalgic?" -Loiosh
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Tuesday October 22 2019, @02:50AM (5 children)
Every day? Then maybe a reboot of Law and Order X 21 Jump Street that does stings on corruption in the juvenile law enforcement/judicial/penal system is due. Or maybe we just need to start demanding laws be removed from the books which increase incarceration rates, insist on better/different oversight of prisons/parole (not the best example here) [youtube.com] to decrease recidivism, or culturally change our perspective on prisons [theguardian.com].
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday October 22 2019, @01:44PM
I didn't mean to imply that it happens every day in the juvenile system. It most certainly does happen in the justice system, each and every day that courts are held in the USA. I referred to those prisons for profit, whose administrators get promises from the judges to keep those prisons filled. It really is a thing.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday October 22 2019, @04:51PM (3 children)
Yeah, that last bit, isn't going to happen. Essentially, the entire reason for the existence of prisons is to deal with those who break the law. It's human nature to want to punish those that have wronged us. Yes, it would most definitely be better to rehabilitate those that can be rehabilitated. There are many that can't or don't want to be rehabilitated, though.
Say what you want about Marijuana, but it's been illegal to use in most of the United States for quite a long time. You don't want to go to jail for using/selling/possessing Marijuana? Don't use/sell/possess Marijuana. You can't force people to comply with laws, but you can separate them from those who do.
I am all for helping people help themselves. Sure, some people can't help themselves, but that's why we have welfare. For those that won't/can't obey the law, there's prison.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 22 2019, @06:11PM
fuck the fucking law!
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Tuesday October 22 2019, @10:19PM (1 child)
Then maybe we need more suspiciously Scandinavian-appearing [satwcomic.com] aliens to apply their nature instead, to better align our laws with society's needs over nature's wants.
No argument there.
Or decriminalize, then hopefully eventually legalize it. Tobacco has been legal, no question, but should it be when its long-term health effects compare poorly to marijuana's?
Mostly by crystalline structure and net worth [politico.com], it would seem.
For everything else, there's ... sorry, couldn't resist. It just seems like prison shouldn't make things worse [apa.org].
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Freeman on Wednesday October 23 2019, @02:42PM
How shouldn't prison make things worse? You're generally putting a bunch of people together who don't see a problem with breaking the law. It's more like a self-help group for criminals.
"Now today, we'll be going over money laundering, raise your hand, if you've never actually done this yourself. Okay, today we'll be going over the basics . . ." Okay, sure it's not likely to be in a structured setting. Still, you put a bunch of like-minded people together and they're going to be discussing things they're interested in.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Alfred on Monday October 21 2019, @08:55PM (7 children)
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 21 2019, @09:05PM (2 children)
If you have private prisons, you have corporations with incentives to lobby for stricter laws to lock people up, and keep drugs criminalized for another few decades. They can pay off judges to give harsher sentences, as with the kids for cash scandal in Pennsylvania. Other companies in the system aren't great either, like the prison phone industry. There are many problems here.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Ethanol-fueled on Monday October 21 2019, @10:18PM (1 child)
While we're discussing this here, let's also talk about public utilities, and has long as they have a fiduciary duty to their shareholders, we in California are going to go full Venezuela in our power outages.
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Monday October 21 2019, @11:01PM
Wow, that wasn't even racist or nothing. I guess I know what to expect here in the near future.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Thexalon on Monday October 21 2019, @09:05PM (1 child)
The contract between the prison company and the government includes a minimum number of prisoners that will be housed at all times in the prison. Which means that if there aren't enough crimes being committed, the government has to create some criminals.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by Alfred on Tuesday October 22 2019, @01:37PM
(Score: 4, Insightful) by ilPapa on Monday October 21 2019, @09:07PM
All prisons are costly and ineffective. Experience (and data) has shown that private prisons are even more so.
Anyone who would profit from incarceration needs to be locked up.
You are still welcome on my lawn.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by RamiK on Monday October 21 2019, @09:30PM
Nope. The feds were about to to shutdown the private prisons after a damning cost-effectiveness and safety analysis report but Trump intervened to save the pork for his buddies: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/08/18/justice-department-says-it-will-end-use-of-private-prisons/ [washingtonpost.com] from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_federal_prisons#Private_correctional_institutions [wikipedia.org] .
Nope. It's a checks and balances issue. Even the best contract wouldn't change the incentive for private prisons to bribe legislators, judges and cops to send more inmates down their way. Like standing armies, private prisons are just unmitigated sources of corruption. But while you can't do away with standing armies, you can certainly cut off the prison pork distribution system.
compiling...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by BsAtHome on Monday October 21 2019, @09:03PM
Where else do you get your slave labor from? It is a real bargain and competitive edge to have your work done for less than $1 a day. If there are fewer criminals over time, then more things will become a crime and the punishments will become more severe. And what about all those illegal immigrants. They must not be sent back before they have served the country their time due and its money's worth.
And that is the real crime and tragedy; treating the convicted and immigrants as a (monetary) resource.
(Score: 2) by Username on Monday October 21 2019, @10:22PM (3 children)
Maybe crime is going down because criminals are in prison. I have a very strong feeling that if we did the reverse, release all the criminals and keep the prisons empty, there would be a huge spike in crime.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Monday October 21 2019, @11:54PM
Some people who are in prison really need to be there. There are also a lot of people who are in prison who really don't need to be there, e.g. the estimated 1 in 25 people on death row who are not guilty [pnas.org]. Eliminating the profit motive to, say, plant drugs on an innocent person and frame them for possession with intent to sell would be good for everybody except cops.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 21 2019, @11:54PM (1 child)
If you look at global crime statistics, crime has been dropping for decades around the world. Keep that in mind the next time you read a scary story about how dangerous our city streets are. That includes violent crime, such as armed robberies and such.
The most violent crime in the USA happens right where the government makes the most effort to stop crime. And, that, incidentally, coincides with those cities with the toughest gun control laws.
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Tuesday October 22 2019, @10:23PM
Global crime statistics [nypost.com], maybe. There are still places where organized criminals can still flex more power than local law enforcement.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by bzipitidoo on Monday October 21 2019, @09:02PM
Well, well, another for-profit industry cut too many corners, caused too many embarrassments. Imagine that. Greedy fools.
Who's next? Private toll roads? Been nearly a century since private roads were squashed. They've come back a little bit.. Traffic enforcement such as red light cameras never sounded like a growth industry, more like a predatory industry, and they've outed themselves as such. Telecoms? They sure have an accounting coming. Medicine? Medicare For All just might happen. Student loan servicers and banking in general is another target.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Osamabobama on Monday October 21 2019, @09:11PM
That sounds like the opening argument for a lawsuit to invalidate the new law. I'm not sure how the logic of that statement stacks up, though.
Here's some info [ca.gov] about Proposition 57.
Appended to the end of comments you post. Max: 120 chars.
(Score: 2) by Username on Monday October 21 2019, @10:31PM (3 children)
I guess no work for him in CA.
So are they going to raise taxes again to pay for subsidized prisons? Or going to ration prison cells, and let child rapists go free once capacity is met?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 21 2019, @11:56PM
There is little need to raise taxes. The taxpayer is already paying private industry to keep people locked up. That same money will subsidize the necessary cells and guards.
(Score: 3, Informative) by sjames on Tuesday October 22 2019, @02:50AM
The taxpayer is already footing the entire bill. It will continue to do so when privitized prisons go away. They may even end up paying LESS once they no longer have to cover corporate profits and CEO pay on top of the actual costs of running a prison. Less still when the perverse incentives to imprison more people longer go away.
There are cases where outsourcing is cheaper, mostly involving specialized knowledge that's hard to come by or where a need is part time, but neither apply here. If the people of California want to actually save money on prisons, they'll need to look into non-custodial penalties wherever possible.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 22 2019, @04:06AM
Well, there are now going to be a bunch of private prison facilities that can no longer be used. California might be able to use the money previously used to rent those facilities to just buy them.
(Score: 2) by legont on Tuesday October 22 2019, @12:51AM
period
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 22 2019, @02:54AM
Just transfer ownership to the Clinton Foundation or any other fake non-profit and they bypass this law.
The scum that run places like this likely cannot be controlled by legislation.