Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:
Phone intercepts show rebels accused of shooting down the plane had 'close ties' with Russia before the 2014 attack.
A series of phone intercepts released by a team investigating the 2014 downing of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 over Ukraine show ties between Moscow and the pro-Russian rebels accused of shooting down the aircraft were "much closer" than originally believed, investigators said.
The Dutch-lead Joint Investigation Team (JIT) said calls between officials in Moscow and pro-Russian rebel leaders in eastern Ukraine, who are facing trial over the incident, intensified before the crash in July of 2014, raising questions over Russia's involvement in providing the missile used to down the plane.
"There was almost daily telephone contact between the leadership of the DPR and their contacts in the Russian Federation," JIT said in a statement on Thursday, using the acronym of the Donetsk People's Republic rebels. The calls mostly took place over secure phones provided by Russian security forces, it said.
All 298 people on board died when MH17 was shot out of the sky over the territory held by pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine as it flew from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 16 2019, @01:20AM (10 children)
"Rebels" my ass. These weren't pro-russian "rebels". They were full-fledge russian soldiers, entering Ukraine across the russian border, riding and carrying russian military vehicules, equipement and weaponry.
Give us a fucking break. It's one thing to parrot the "official" state-sanctionned communications, it's quite another to think we're actually dumb enough to believe that bullshit.
At least, the US and European diplomats that came to Ukraine to fuel the euromaidan didn't try to pass themselves as someone they were not.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 16 2019, @04:28AM (5 children)
That is one point of view. There is also the fact that the population of Crimea actually voted to secede from Ukraine, and return to Russia. So, yeah, there really are rebels in Ukraine, who reject the current regime. The ability of any partisan "fact checker" to establish who is who is in question here.
Need it be repeated here, that the current regime was imposed on Ukraine by EU and US interests?
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 16 2019, @04:47AM (3 children)
As it's a lie.
https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/election-watchdog-opora-presidential-election-free-and-fair.html [kyivpost.com]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ukrainian_revolution [wikipedia.org]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ukrainian_presidential_election [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 16 2019, @04:58AM (1 child)
kyivpost and wikipedia - one, the current regime's mouthpiece, the other routinely edited by anyone who cares to edit it.
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/kyiv-post/ [mediabiasfactcheck.com]
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 16 2019, @05:13AM
Provide some proof that the previous links *are* untrue, not just innuendo.
Here's some more you disingenuous piece of shit.
https://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/ukraine/417821 [osce.org]
https://www.ndi.org/publications/statement-ndi-election-observation-mission-ukraine-s-july-21-2019-snap-parliamentary [ndi.org]
https://www.ndi.org/publications/statement-ndi-election-observation-mission-ukraines-april-21-2019-second-round [ndi.org]
https://www.iri.org/resource/ukraine-election-continued-mandate-change [iri.org]
(Score: 3, Interesting) by legont on Saturday November 16 2019, @06:46PM
The president of Ukrane was elected and overthrown *twice*. There were two so called revolutions, remember? The people had enough of crooks who took the power the first time and they elected the *same* president again. The Nazi overthrown him yet again. Only then the rebellion started, Crimea, Donbas and Donezk separated. I predict, we will have it one more time.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 1) by pTamok on Sunday November 17 2019, @08:47PM
It didn't have the attributes of a free and fair vote. It took place after the occupying army were in place.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 4, Interesting) by driverless on Saturday November 16 2019, @06:48AM (3 children)
Interesting to see the moderation on this one bouncing up and down, it goes up to 5 outside of Russian working/evening hours, and then back down to 0 or close to it during Russian working/evening hours. You can actually see it tracking in near-real time.
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 16 2019, @03:07PM (1 child)
In your people's fucking paranoia, Rrrussian operatives are tasked with deploying propaganda on SN.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 16 2019, @03:35PM
Be quiet Putlin's lap dog.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 16 2019, @04:30PM
Yes, russians are very suceptible when it comes to pointing out their bloody history of the USSR invasions and the fact that their country is ruled by a ex-KGB bloodthirsty mobster-abomination.
Americans get shamed all the time for letting their country be ruled by a psychopath. So should the russian people.
(Score: 3, Touché) by driverless on Saturday November 16 2019, @06:42AM (8 children)
The FBI (and various US government agencies) have been telling us over and over and over and over and over that if people are allowed to use encryption, the FBI are powerless and crime will explode, leading to a general armageddon-style war and the end of civilization. Therefore these guys can't have been using encryption or the investigators would have had to give up and admit defeat before they even started.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 16 2019, @04:37PM (7 children)
Maybe not so much.
Timing, GPS locations and source/destination are powerful tools even if you don't know the contents of a call.
Why do you think the Government TLAs love metadata?
ISTR a bunch of articles over the past few years that reported researchers being able to identify people who were ill and receiving treatment/having affairs/doing all sorts of *specific* things just with phone metadata -- no wiretapping required.
Just sayin'.
(Score: 2) by legont on Saturday November 16 2019, @06:52PM (6 children)
The area was under heavy radar coverage from both - Nato and Russia. Yet, no proof of the exact cause of the crash came out yet.
Just saying.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 16 2019, @08:49PM (5 children)
Is it your contention that the Dutch are lying? [wikipedia.org]:
Just asking.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 16 2019, @09:23PM (4 children)
The Dutch, like all of Western Europe, are under the iron fist of the US empire and its outlook. It cannot be that pro-Ukranian forces launched the rocket. It cannot be that that area should have been avoided as an active war zone. Ukraine is a safe country and pro-Russian separatists are a minor annoyance that will shortly be extinguished. It cannot be that billions were dumped in to overthrow an elected government, and bring Nazis to power. It cannot be that Europe is worse off with the Americans dropping the tar baby of Ukraine into its lap (fuck the EU!). It cannot be that connected US interests are exploiting the corruption in the Ukraine for their own benefit.
If you believe otherwise, you're a god damn dirty Trump / Putin lover and paid shill.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 16 2019, @10:15PM
So. Yes?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 16 2019, @10:24PM
I'm an empiricist. Evidence motherfucker. Do you have any?
All you've provided is innuendo and half-assed conspiracy theories.
I suppose that may work for the hoi polloi, but I like my narratives to come with facts.
Yummy, yummy facts.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 16 2019, @10:49PM (1 child)
Let me get this straight. You say that if one believes that Russian weapons used by Russian backed rebels shot down a commercial airliner with hundreds of innocent people aboard, then they support Putin?
Wow. That's one of the most incoherent, nonsensical things I've heard in a while. Good show! Are you available for parties?
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday November 16 2019, @11:27PM
Hillary and the Jews shot down the airliner to frame Russia and start another world war. Putin said fairly recently and mockingly that "perhaps Jews with Russian citizenship*" interfered with American elections when all the big deal was made about "Russian Hacking" in our elections. With 2 shootings and now this in the past few days, the Jews run by Liddle Adam Schitt know the time is short. Their only option is to accelerate the plan with the results you see.
* "Jews with Russian citizenship" beinga nod to the Ukranians, of course.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 16 2019, @03:10PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servant_of_the_People [wikipedia.org]
* plays twilight zone theme *
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 16 2019, @06:22PM
i guess the russian rocket didn't think the us drone looked as tasty as the MH17 near-by... after it dodged under it.
just kidding ... but it would make a good scene in some movie?