https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/19/tech/north-face-facebook-ads/index.html:
Outdoor apparel brand The North Face has become the best-known company yet to commit to an advertising boycott of Facebook in light of the social media platform's handling of misinformation and hate speech — a move that could open the door for other brands to do the same.
The brand's decision responds to a pressure campaign by top civil rights groups, including the NAACP and the Anti-Defamation League, known as #StopHateForProfit, which on Wednesday began calling for advertisers to suspend their marketing on Facebook in the month of July.
"We're in," The North Face tweeted. "We're out @Facebook #StopHateForProfit."
Hours later, outdoor equipment retailer REI said it will join the boycott.
[...] The activists demanding change face an enormously ambitious task. Facebook is the second-largest player in US digital marketing after Google, and last year generated $69.7 billion from advertising worldwide.
(Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Monday June 22 2020, @10:13PM (10 children)
A bump or a drop in sales though?
and coming back to start advertising again, is there a priority list or queue they have to join?
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:03AM (2 children)
It's a business decision, not politics.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:21AM (1 child)
Business and politics are related, but I'm sure you knew that. A "business leader" who reads the signs correctly, can get ahead of the competition by calling for something that everyone wants anyway. It's all bullshit, but it's something of an art.
In related news, Dick's sporting goods has "lost millions" over their decision to drop firearms from their inventory. One claim has it that they've lost 150 million, but that doesn't include all the peripheral lost business.
People who are into sports, especially outdoor sports, generally are familiar with firearms. If Bubba decides to go to the store for a bunch of stuff, he expects to get pretty much everything in one stop. He gets to Dicks, and they have everything he wants, EXCEPT a gun, or ammo? Bubba won't be back to Dicks. He'll go to whichever local sporting goods store has the guns and ammo.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/10/business/dicks-sporting-goods-remove-guns-from-440-stores/index.html [cnn.com]
https://www.foxbusiness.com/retail/dicks-sporting-goods-ceo-confronted-by-shareholder-over-gun-policies [foxbusiness.com]
(Score: 3, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday June 23 2020, @06:18PM
Dick’s Sporting Goods shares skyrocket on earnings beat, raised outlook [cnbc.com]
Dick's Sporting Goods Inc. [marketwatch.com]
Fiscal year is February-January. All values USD millions.
Sales/Revenue 2016: 7.27B 2017: 7.92B 2018: 8.59B 2019: 8.44B 2020: 8.75B
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:28AM (6 children)
I'd be perfectly willing to never buy outdoor apparel from The North Face ever again, but I never did in the first place because I try to avoid going outdoors.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:57AM (4 children)
North Face is for Hillary-voting yuppies who shop at REI, drive Priuses, cycle in obnoxious neon spandex in the middle of the goddamn road, and hike with
"trekking poles."
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday June 23 2020, @01:03AM (1 child)
That seems like a very specific market to aim at.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @03:08AM
They'll be expanding into the comrade Jacinda supporting Prius driver market before you know it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @02:04AM
C'mon, you know the routine, they play to their audience, tapping a very productive well
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @08:04AM
You're probably more of a Camo dude faux tough guy, let a woman know she'll get pushed around for disagreeing with you.
*sorry camo wearers, plenty of you are very fine people (not sarcastically like drumpf)
(Score: 1) by RandomFactor on Tuesday June 23 2020, @04:44PM
Yeah, same problem I've got with most of the things I decide to boycott. It's more a continuation of status quo than an actual thing :-p
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @10:20PM (9 children)
Fucking millenials with their fucking drama.
Facefuck is your shit. For it, you bitch and moan, against it, the same shit.
Boomers and millenials, the perfect combo storm.
There goes American century.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday June 22 2020, @10:43PM (2 children)
So, that leaves you as part of what generation? All I ever see is someone complaining about Boomers or complaining about Millenials. At least they're doing something, then? Haven't heard a peep about anyone else.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @10:52PM (1 child)
"Doing something", on twatter and facefuck, right, god damn "digital social networking" revolution.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @11:20PM
What's your fediverse URL? I find your ideas intriguing, and I would like to send you a friend request over a distributed social networking protocol.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:11AM (4 children)
Are Millennials doing the looting though? They are are in their 30's and 40's now, and the crowds I see are much younger. I think it's the Z's that are the idiots doing most of the looting.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:28AM
Just save some time and refer to all generations beyond the millennials as post-millennials. Age, after all, is just a number.
(Score: 2) by Magic Oddball on Tuesday June 23 2020, @09:41AM (2 children)
It's mostly "Zoomers" and young Millennials, based on the photos I've seen.
That said, older Millennials are only in their mid-30s — the people in their late 30s & early 40s are the Xennials [wikipedia.org]. (Which makes us sound like houseplants with an identity disorder, but whatever.)
(Score: 2) by terryk30 on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:30PM
Those would be the people spending hours on social media while trying to make themselves look more interesting.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @02:24PM
Yes. Please do forget Gen-X as we take control from the Boomers and don't let the Millenials have any.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @03:33AM
"Facebook is millenial cancer and should be burned to the ground!"
"Ok, let us boycott buying ads on FB to show our displeasure."
"NO!!! NOT LIKE THAT YOU FUCKING CUCK BITCHES!!!"
Ummm, so the only factor tying these strangely paradoxical views together would be "I want to promote white nationalism and destroy the world."
Brilliant mate, spot on!
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @10:28PM (5 children)
Any publicity is good publicity, so stop talking about companies and feeding their PR stunts by re-posting whatever trendy or controversial decision they make.
Additionally, this article is not related to tech. A company relying on electricity to run a factory is not an electrical company. A company relying on computers to run a website is not a tech company.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @10:50PM (3 children)
Facebook is a tech company.
https://engineering.fb.com/ [fb.com]
https://research.fb.com/ [fb.com]
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @11:00PM (2 children)
They are an advertising and telecommunications company. The divisions you mention primarily serve the purpose of recruitment and PR.
(Score: 1) by Zinnia Zirconium on Monday June 22 2020, @11:51PM (1 child)
Facebook makes a nice compression algorithm. And because they're an advertising company, they call their compression Zstandard to convince you to use it. It's the standard. Seriously though Zstandard is fast and effective.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:06AM
Z for Zendetta.
(Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday June 23 2020, @06:20PM
Yeah, but if we don't post them where will all the conservatives go to talk about how they're the REAL victims in this country?
(Score: 1, Troll) by SomeGuy on Monday June 22 2020, @10:36PM (17 children)
Well, this slope is almost straight down, but lets roll with it for for the moment.
Facebook is racist. Take it out back next to the confederate monuments and smash it to bits.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @10:48PM (15 children)
The problem I see is that Facebook _promotes_ division of people, just one of those methods/labels is racism. The whole stinking mess called Social Media has to be done away with. Take the NZ shooting - LIVE on FB, and zero consequences for FB. Comrade Jacinda should have blocked FB for 30 days plus a HUGE fine. Google's "do no evil" has undergone a 180 and this too has to be dismantled along with Facebook.
What I see is that people get along just fine, and then the media (in general) throw an incendiary article/story and ignite division. The news sites are just as guilty as FB at this point. Journalism is supposed to be: here are the unbiased facts, now YOU decide. But people are lazy - please do the thinking for us, we want 20 second bites of ready-to-go opinions. And so society falls apart. Now, if you just voice some middle-of-the-road "common" sense, you are labelled 'racist' in seconds, attacked online. This has got to stop.
My 10c (my govt killed the 1c, 2c, then they came for the 5c... years ago)
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @11:28PM (2 children)
And replaced with what? Newspapers telling us how to think.
I hate social media as much as the next nerd, but I know banning it will mean they shut down Soylent and IRC first while Facebook gets exemptions.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by zeigerpuppy on Tuesday June 23 2020, @04:25AM
We could start with a federated service which isn't designed to manipulate sentiment.
Facebook is not a social network as much as its a tool of social manipulation.
"Connecting people" has virtue but it doesn't require a corporate overload sticking their noses in at every opportunity.
Check out Mastodon and Matrix, both have some legs and eventually a federated network will emerge that allows users to up their content and leave their provider if they don't like how they behave.
Until then.... Just Stop Using Facebook
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @06:32AM
I was thinking of SM companies where they have share listed or speculator "investor" backing. The second profits or Wall St are involved, the rubbish plays off. Same problem with for profit media (or for agenda media*). This damage has been going on for decades. Hitler understood this and Goebbels was his propaganda and media man. Today's media silently take a cue from those roots.
* like National Geographic.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuFKpaV_jjo [youtube.com] (Afghan Girl, 1984)
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @11:49PM (7 children)
Obviously not written by a black person who has lost sons to police violence.
(Score: 2, Troll) by system32 on Tuesday June 23 2020, @08:23AM (6 children)
Should we... Should we tell him about the much larger problem of black on black violence? Oh right, nevermind, doesn't fit the narrative... Sorry, forget the kids that were murdered in drive-by shootings over the last week...CNN must have forgot to mention that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @09:28AM
What makes you think he's not aware of that? Isn't people-on-people violence exactly what you'd expect if law enforcement fails to protect?
(Score: 3, Informative) by PiMuNu on Tuesday June 23 2020, @02:21PM (3 children)
There is a huge moral difference between a civilian committing violence and a police officer.
Police officers have special powers in law, granted under the assumption that they will be used to "protect and serve".
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @02:36PM (2 children)
There is absolutely no moral difference. The difference is entirely legal.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @03:05PM
That is exactly the difference he is talking about.
When a citizen kills someone it is murder, manslaugher, or at least criminal negligence.
When a cop does it, it is an accident, or completely justified.
The law enforcers should be held to a higher standard, not a lower one, they are the ones with the training.
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Wednesday June 24 2020, @12:25PM
No, I think there is a moral difference. A police officer has taken a vow to "protect and serve" or some such, whereas a civilian has not.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @03:27AM
Only if you're a racist idiot trying to pretend you're just all about the facts.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Monday June 22 2020, @11:58PM (3 children)
"Comrade" Jacinda does not have that power, because we have this thing called "rule of law", you may have heard of it?
I don't want the PM to levy fines and neither do you, if you go and have a wee think about that idea.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @06:54AM (2 children)
Well then, at minimum, the MoJ have 100% failed in their role. Some legal process should have kicked off instantly after 15/3/19. In the end its the failings of the NZ Police on issuing gun licenses without proper checking that had this end result.... and the Jacinda-driven knee-jerk afterwards taking guns from legitimate owners.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday June 24 2020, @12:31AM
You may be confused about how any of that works.
is not how the rule of law works. There is no "process" for any of that.
Also, how did you jump to a completely different topic like that?
Also, my neighbour still owns both his guns, Jacinda didn't come over and take them from him at all.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday June 24 2020, @02:13AM
Given what you wrote, that sounds like the ideal outcome.
Why? Should New Zealand reshuffle their laws every time some evil and/or idiotic person does something? I'll warn you, even in a relatively smart place like New Zealand, that's going to happen a lot.
and the Jacinda-driven knee-jerk afterwards taking guns from legitimate owners.
Keep in mind who was a legitimate firearm owner before he started shooting people! This precrime stuff is hard!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @11:31PM
https://www.israelhayom.com/opinions/the-true-face-of-authoritarian-threat/ [israelhayom.com]
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @10:37PM (38 children)
I know it's convenient for some people to rationalize things and pretend that racism is something you read about in history books. Someone hung a noose in NASCAR driver Bubba Wallace's garage yesterday. You may remember him as the driver who spoke out and called for NASCAR to ban Confederate flags. This is exactly the type of tactics used by the KKK of old. I think this makes it pretty clear what Confederate flags symbolize for many people. Given the opportunity to thrive, the hate is every bit as strong and vile as in the past.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @10:54PM
It was an inside job. The regular bubba and joe are not allowed in that area.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @10:55PM (3 children)
Bubba Smollett?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @11:16PM (2 children)
Bubba Wallace didn't find the noose and he's not who reported it. It was found by an RPM crew member who alerted NASCAR. Wallace found out when NASCAR President Steve Phelps informed him. This is most certainly not Wallace making a false report.
By the way, track workers, NASCAR officials, and crew members from all of the teams would have been able to enter the garage. Even without fans in the infield and with the limits on who can be at the track, there are still a lot of people with access to the garages on race day.
So, do you have any actual evidence this is a false allegation? Do you have any actual evidence that Wallace is responsible for making a false report? Or are you just here to defame him because you disagree with him? Put up or shut up.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @11:52PM (1 child)
Antifa did it. Bubba had nothing to do with it, he's as much a victim as if some Southern Democrat hood-wearing redneck had done it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:10AM
Another bites the dumb.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @11:23PM (1 child)
It's hardly a surprise to find out that there are racists in the US.
I don't think that revelation is worth giving into to braying mobs over.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:03AM
Of course there are racists in the US. There are white people in the US. All white people are racists. Therefore, there are racists in the US. QED.
With all these racists around who go out every single night to kill black people, it's a wonder there's so many black people left.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @11:47PM
Southeners bitching and moaing about identity.
Your identity is a noose.
Ignint crakas.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:25AM (26 children)
I'll leave aside the report about the noose, because not all the facts are known yet and you won't listen to me anyway.
However, I can tell you what the Confederate flag means to me.
It means FUCK YOU.
It doesn't mean support for slavery. It doesn't mean I think one group of people are better than some other group. It doesn't mean I support cops.
It means you don't get to tell me what a flag means, or if I can fly it or not -- just like I'd never dream of telling you what a flag means to you or try to stop you flying it. And if you try to dictate its meaning, or stop me from flying it, well then FUCK YOU.
Seeing how things were going to go, I ordered a couple of Confederate flags earlier this month. The day before nascar announced their ban, as it happened. My flags shipped out the day after I ordered them... and most of the flag suppliers are now saying there's a delay of up to two weeks due to all the orders that came in after the nascar announcement. Why did they get so many orders? Because fuck you.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:51AM (14 children)
Hanging the noose in Bubba's garage was an act of intimidation, not unlike burning a cross on someone's property. Those are the tactics used by the KKK from an era when lynching was common and segregation was the norm in many parts of the country.
I get it, you're not using the rebel flag as a symbol of slavery, hate, or racism. It means something different to you. I get that. I get that for many, it's a symbol that indicates being proud of their southern heritage. Those people do not intend to support racism or hate.
The problem is the same rebel flag was used as a symbol of the second version of the KKK, people who burned crosses and lynched black people. The same rebel flag was used by the Dixiecrats in their quest to support segregation. While you may not intend the rebel flag as a symbol that supports any of those evils, many people use it for exactly that purpose.
Black people aren't dictating that the rebel flag is a symbol of hate. Racists, people who burned crosses, lynched black people, and supported segregation where the people who decided to use the rebel flag a symbol of hatred. I get that the rebel flag doesn't mean those things to you at all. But if you're a black person and you see a white person flying a rebel flag, how can you know if they simply mean the flag as a symbol of "FUCK YOU" or if that person hates you because of your race?
The rebel flag may not be a symbol of hatred to you. I absolutely understand that. But I hope you'll understand why the rebel flag is so offensive to many other people and why it's a symbol of intimidation toward black people.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @02:17AM (4 children)
I don't care about how black people see anything. Or what they feel about anything. Not anymore. I used to, but not anymore. Leftists either. Or even the useless right. I'm tired of the whole damn mess.
I'll start to care again once the statues that have been torn down are put back up. Maybe. I hope I'll still retain the capacity.
Yes, this is not a calm reaction, nor is it a deliberative assessment of the matter. Many of us have been doing that for decades, and it hasn't helped a damn thing. So now, it's just fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. That's all anyone's ever said to me, and now I'm throwing it right back in all your damn faces. Fuck you fuck you fuck you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @02:25AM
Fucking racist. I say we burn his battle flag!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @02:53AM
The irony is that for someone who doesn't care how what anyone else thinks or how they feel, you sure want us to care what you think and how you feel.
I have no problem listening to the concerns of black people. I also have no problem listening to people who see the rebel flag as a symbol of southern pride but don't associate it with bigotry. However, I see little value in hearing the views of people who have no interest in also listening to others.
I disagree with the AC who called you a racist. That's totally uncalled for. You are, however, being extremely selfish.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday June 23 2020, @09:35PM
Yep, those are DEFINITELY the words of somebody who doesn't care...
Triggered much?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @08:11AM
Many statues have fallen through the ages because they are always in public areas and they represent a certain portion of history. Confederate statues may have more meaning than simply Racism and Slavery as the core values, but putting them on public display is inappropriate. Museums are where you store history.
"I don't care about how black people see anything . . | . . Leftists either."
[[[...|...]]]
"I'll start to care again once the statues that have been torn down are put back up. Maybe."
Statues that represent racial oppression. No, those are inappropriate for public squares unless educating about the inhumane values the statue represented. Genocide is not celebrated.
PS: sorry your family doesn't like you, bigotry has social costs by definition
(Score: -1, Troll) by khallow on Tuesday June 23 2020, @03:47AM (8 children)
So what? At least, it didn't ruin anyone's lawn and just means that there's one unhappy person out there rather than two or three. And whether it was an act of intimidation depends on who did it and why.
And we should care why? When the symbol matters more than that what it gets used for, indicates to me that there's something deeply wrong with the complaint.
Sounds to me like you are.
(Score: 2) by http on Tuesday June 23 2020, @08:10AM (1 child)
I want to kill you. I may yet find a way, and an alibi. While buzzfuckface may disdain me, I've promised martyb cash, so sooner or later I'll get the log files. Quietly.
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See how good it feels to be on the receiving end of a threat?
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Fun fact: some threats cannot be treated as posturing. For an object lesson, try standing a foot in front of a cop (facing), growling, and lifting your hand as fast as you can towards their hat.
Oh, and if you can't predict the outcome of the exercise, no loss for the rest of us.
I browse at -1 when I have mod points. It's unsettling.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 23 2020, @01:16PM
So what? Point is placing a noose while nobody is looking is a very easy thing to do - it's a few minutes of work and a rope. And we don't know the motive. It could be a joke in bad taste. Even Wallace or some associate who could reasonably expect to benefit from Wallace's increased media exposure could have done it. It's a far cry from actually hanging a man.
Another example of this is mailing white powder. It's been twenty years since the anthrax biological attacks and yet we still have lots [businessknowhow.com] of drama every time someone mails flour in the mail.
It's too easy to trigger a heavy-handed response to a trivial threat. Make a noose, mail some flour, call 911 with a bogus report, call in a bomb threat, etc.
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Tuesday June 23 2020, @10:36AM (5 children)
"When I use a word," said Humpty Dumpty, "it means exactly what I intend it to."
But when you use a word, or a symbol, or a flag, outside of its well-known meaning, you risk being misunderstood.
-- hendrik
(Score: 1, Troll) by khallow on Tuesday June 23 2020, @01:24PM (4 children)
Keep in mind that the "well-known meaning" is a attempt to define the Confederate flag in a certain way. A lot of words and symbols have multiple meanings and even when they don't, people often will misinterpret stuff for irrational reasons. Just because your symbol is misunderstood doesn't mean it's your responsibility to do anything about it. And the most common way to protect or change the "well-known meaning" of a symbol is to use it the way you want it to be recognized.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @02:45PM (1 child)
I dunno, man. Shouldn't it be the duty of any person who wants the rebel flag to mean Southern Pride to punch racists and attempt to improve the image of their own symbol? I'm sure Antifa would love the backup.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @06:02PM
There is no duty to commit crimes against alleged racists.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @09:13PM (1 child)
The rebel flag was used both by the KKK and the Dixiecrats, both of whom were quite racist. Given the history of the flag, how would it be irrational to view the rebel flag as a symbol of racism?
Although it's true that a noose could be displayed in some settings as a joke, it's also true that nooses were used to lynch black people. Given the current context of racial issues, how would it be irrational to interpret a noose as an intimidation tactic?
Please clarify your positions because they don't appear to make a lot of sense.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday June 24 2020, @12:50AM
Hammers were used by Vikings to kill people and were a religious symbol of Thor, one of their numerous Gods of war. So should we view hammers as symbols of Viking oppression? Just because someone in the past used a symbol in a particular way doesn't mean that we should forever after associate that symbol with those people. That even includes things like the Swastika.
Here, the KKK and the Dixiecrats haven't been a serious thing in 50 years.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @09:35AM (1 child)
Seems like a good reason to ban it. Why do you think other people should allow you to advertise your hate and contempt for other people, snowflake?
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:22PM
Probably because they have a First Amendment right to wave around any flag that they want, even the loser's flag. Not at private events like a NASCAR race, and they might have to knit the flag themselves if nobody sells it anymore, but you don't get to "allow" it.
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @02:29PM (3 children)
Yep. And banning it says fuck you right back, along with a huge helping of I don't give a shit what it means to you. It was the battle flag of insurgents who thought slavery was just fine. So yeah, fuck you right back, racist.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday June 24 2020, @12:53AM (2 children)
With the power of the state. It's all fun and games until the state is fucking you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @05:53PM (1 child)
The state can ban anything they want on state property, and banning the flag of traitors to the state seems entirely reasonable.
Notify me when the fed comes to remove it from your house and truck, till then WHINGEEEEEEEEWHINGEWHINGE
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday June 25 2020, @01:09AM
Except when they can't, of course. In the US, quite a lot is illegal for the state to ban.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday June 23 2020, @06:31PM (3 children)
And you are free to fly the flag of whatever loser armies you want to on your own private property.
Putting that flag on someone else's property, such as NASCAR's, is not your right.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday June 24 2020, @01:02AM (2 children)
Doesn't matter if it's not a right. When NASCAR provides public spaces for you to use, they waive a lot of their rights to decide what can and can't be done on their property.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @05:00AM (1 child)
Funny how you want a very strong interpretation of public accommodation laws applied to NASCAR, yet you'd undoubtedly take a very different position on Christian bakers refusing to bake wedding cakes for gay and lesbian couples.
Here's a hint: The latter actually is covered by public accommodation laws; the former is not.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday June 24 2020, @12:21PM
Sounds like you want to claim those are equivalent in some way. But public accommodation doesn't force NASCAR to wave Confederate flags.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday June 24 2020, @08:12PM
Yeah, just imagine, if we had the nerve to tell people of African descent that they can't display green and black colored thingies in public, because we find them "offensive" or something.
The Flag of the Confederacy doesn't mean much of anything to me. But that battle flag that everyone displays does mean something to me. It's a symbol of millions of Americans struggling, and .8 million American losing their lives over the dispute. It's an important part of American history.
Oh well - those who refuse to learn from history, are condemned to repeat history. Let's erase all of the Civil War, all of it's heros, and all of it's villians, from history. Let's just have another boogaloo real soon, because we refuse to learn from history.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday June 24 2020, @07:35AM (2 children)
Fake. It was a pull rope for the garage door.
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2020/06/nascar-bubba-wallace-noose-fbi-federal-crime [usatoday.com]
Oops.
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @05:59PM
Yup, but still nice to see NASCAR teams support their colleague and speak out against bigotry.
Racists don't have to like anyone else, but they do need to get on board with civil rights and equality. Sorta like how most liberals don't like the KKK but will still defend their rights.
Cancel culture (lawl) is a tiny glimpse of what prejudice is like, so at the least racist douche bags should realize it is in their best interests to support civil rights before they become targets of real oppression.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @07:27PM
Wonder if NASCAR schemed this up, roping Bubba in, to make a good virtue signaling show.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @10:40PM (11 children)
Anonymous Coward tweets : "I'm out @Millennials #StopWhiningForProfit."
For the month of July, I will not be ordering any coffee from otherwise unemployable "baristas", I will not be getting any tattoos, and I will stick to the gender I was born with. Join me in a total boycott of millennials.
(Score: 0, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @11:23PM
Ok, Boomer.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @11:24PM (5 children)
I'm sure you never frequent any of those places and have never ever questioned your sexuality ever like a good little cisgender anyway so you won't be missed. Another 20 years and the Boomer problem will take care of itself. Millennials will work their problems out just like the Boomers did(n't).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 22 2020, @11:46PM (3 children)
FTFY
But you're right. Us, Boomers, won't live to see how they'll screw up their world.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:09AM (2 children)
Oh, I think you just might. They're screwing things up far faster than the Boomers did. Well, you did give them such a head start, after all.
But hey, I could be wrong. I'm a GenX; we just sit on the side lines and watch the world burn.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @01:17AM (1 child)
That's not a badge of honor for us. We're about 50 years old, and we let the Boomers control government and society for too long. Not just are we saddled with geriatrics as presidential candidates, Congress is run by Boomer cliques and the parties have not trained the next generation for leadership and compromise.
We may make fun of Millennials, but at least they are more vocal about their interests than we have been.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @01:49AM
It's just because there are so many Millennials. Power in numbers. They are Baby Boomers, The Sequel. And it sucks like the original.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:36AM
Why can't you just say "normal"? Everyone will understand you better. Most of us are "normal", and you are "abnormal".
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:13AM (3 children)
Dear friends, must we fight so?
I call upon all Soylentils to reach out and build bridges for unity. We can have differing opinions yet still be proud to live in the Land of the Free! Work together instead of against one another.
Your friendly neighborhood Care Bear,
apk
(Score: 2) by Mykl on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:25AM (2 children)
I don't have any friends, you insensitive clod!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:38AM (1 child)
apk would like to be your friend. Just let him unzip your trousers, and gobble whatever he finds there.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @06:14AM
I have no ill will towards our LGBTQ friends but cock gobbling isn't my thing, however if I was gonna gobble some cock it sure wouldn't be some AC neckbeard who probably has a new ecosystem spanning from bellybutton to taint.
Wishing you the best and PM me your address for a quick dose of penicillin,
apk
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:30AM (8 children)
The so-called racism on Facebook is people asking questions and making statements that the lunatic left doesn't want.
It is sensible people wanting the police to do their jobs and arrest the looters, arrest SPAZ or whatever his name is that took over the downtown of that city then calling for help form the outside when they run out of food or someone gets shot, for calling out BLM for being hypocrites (a dozen blacks are killed by black every day in Chicago ALONE and BLM is completely silent on that-why does BLM support black killing blacks?), calling out most of the protesters for being hypocrites for protesting over the death of one black man while dozens of black men are killed every day by OTHER BLACK MEN, for blaming white people today for what happened over 150 years ago, for pointing out that every other ethnicity in the US has gotten their shit together and don't murder each other by the dozens every day except for blacks and asking WHY (culture!), pointing out that much of the looting was done to black owned businesses, pointing out that a dozen or more black people have been murdered defending their businesses from looting but the left MSM media and BLM ain't said a peep about them, and pointing out that Trump did not say the protestor should be shot, but the looters should.
What BLM, the NAACP and the Anti-Defamation League want isn't the end of racism, it is the silencing of any questions that point out that the plight of the black people TODAY is caused by black people themselves and not the big bad white people.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:59AM
Why do you hate white victims of police brutality?
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @02:38AM (4 children)
Your entire post is bad faith rubbish, but I want to focus on this specific piece of bad faith rubbish.
Why is it that 73% of the US population is white, yet 82% of white murders are committed by other white people? Why don't you talk about the white-on-white crime problem? By sheer number, 2,488 white people were murdered by other white people in 2014 whereas 2,205 black people were murdered by other black people in the same year. So your argument that only black people are murdered in high numbers by other people of the same race is outright false.
For black and white people living in poverty, the crime rate against black households is 51.3/1000 versus 56.4/1000 against white households [bjs.gov]. Crime rates are much higher for Americans in poverty versus those who are not. There's also a large amount of racial segregation present in urban areas [brookings.edu]. So, if you're an impoverished white person who is the victim of a crime, the perpetrator is probably another white person. If you're an impoverished black person who is the victim of a crime, the perpetrator is probably another black person. And the crime rates are very similar among impoverished white people and impoverished black people.
Of course, one in 13 white people live in extreme poverty versus one in four black people [usatoday.com]. There is also an increase in highly impoverished neighborhoods [tcf.org] which is due in part to zoning laws that prevent more affordable housing from being developed in wealthier suburbs. The second article discusses Ferguson, in particular.
I went to school for four years at the University of Missouri-St. Louis in the 2000s, about a mile south of where the riots took place. UMSL spans a few municipalities like Berkeley and Normandy, but it's still very similar to Ferguson. I never felt unsafe at UMSL and the area around campus was actually pretty nice. It was also very obvious that it was once quite an affluent area. On the other side Natural Bridge from campus, there are very large houses that are actually quite nice. The UMSL campus was a country club before it became a state university campus. Perhaps the question we should be asking is why poverty is being concentrated in areas like that.
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Tuesday June 23 2020, @03:32AM
poor people don't deserve any help [independent.co.uk]
you don't want people 'like that' living near you (black [theroot.com] or poor [city-data.com])
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 2) by Muad'Dave on Tuesday June 23 2020, @11:34AM (2 children)
You mention population percentages then assert that your stats are by 'sheer number', then go on to imply that those stats are somehow equivalent. If you assume the other 27% of the population is black, which it isn't, you get an adjusted crime rate of 2,488 / 0.73 = 3,408 for white people and 2,205 / .27 = 8,167 for black people. That's 2.4x the rate of white-on-white crime.
According to 2019 stats [wikipedia.org], the numbers are closer to 60.4% white and 13.4% black. That makes the numbers 4,119 and 16,455, respectively. That's even worse: almost exactly 4x the rate for white-on-white.
We've got a crime problem, but as you otherwise point out the cause is likely poverty, not race.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Tuesday June 23 2020, @08:59PM (1 child)
Which is the one thing the oligarchs DO NOT want people to understand!
The longer the wealthy and powerful can keep everyone else fighting each other the longer they can be wealthy and powerful.
The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 24 2020, @08:18AM
"Watch them fight each other, oh well if they want to fight it doesn't hurt MY bank account."
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @08:19AM (1 child)
For the exhausted, a brief primer on how black on black crime is a lie [twitter.com], and why racist fucks won't give up on that particular bullshit distraction technique no matter how often it gets debunked.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 23 2020, @12:48PM
ACAB is also a lie. Many of the killings are justified, and the remainder are insignificant and declining.