U.S. Admits That Congressman Offered Pardon to Assange If He Covered Up Russia Links
Lawyers representing the United States at Julian Assange's extradition trial in Britain have accepted the claim that the WikiLeaks founder was offered a presidential pardon by a Congressman on the condition that he would help cover up Russia's involvement in hacking emails from the Democratic National Committee.
Jennifer Robinson, a lawyer, told the court that she had attended a meeting between Assange, then Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, and pro-Trump troll Charles Johnson at Assange's hide-out, the Ecuadorian embassy in London, on August 15, 2017.
Robinson said the two Americans claimed to be emissaries from Washington and "wanted us to believe they were acting on behalf of the president." The pair allegedly told Assange that they could help grant him a pardon in exchange for him revealing information about the source of the WikiLeaks information that proved it was not the Russians who hacked Democratic emails.
"They stated that President Trump was aware of and had approved of them coming to meet with Mr. Assange to discuss a proposal—and that they would have an audience with the president to discuss the matter on their return to Washington, D.C.," Robinson said.
After Robinson read her testimony in a London courtroom on Friday, lawyers representing the U.S. accepted the witness statement as accurate and confirmed they had no intention of cross-examining the claim. They did dispute, however, that President Donald Trump gave his blessing for the pardon offer.
Additional coverage at Reuters,The Guardian, The BBC, and others.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by RedGreen on Friday September 18 2020, @11:21PM (4 children)
so the greatest deal maker in history sends some flunkies over and does not offer a deal, sure.
I totally believe that, wait is that rain falling on me, no can't be it looks too yellow for that....
"I modded down, down, down, and the flames went higher." -- Sven Olsen
(Score: 1, Troll) by crafoo on Friday September 18 2020, @11:29PM (2 children)
Maybe the deal was genuine, the admin knows the Russians didn't do it, and they want to put the assassin of Seth Rich in prison?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 18 2020, @11:36PM
God Republicans are stupid.
(Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:52AM
You must be a follower of QuackAnon.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @03:43AM
Alternative hypothesis: Two flunkies went over to deal in bad faith and nobody bothered to inform the Cheeto in Charge. Frankly that's just as believable.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday September 18 2020, @11:38PM (22 children)
That is an asinine statement, on it's face. Assange openly stated that the source of the hacks was not Russia. So, how could he be enticed or coerced to "cover up" Russian involvement that he has already stated did not exist?
Total fail on the author's part. The pardon was being offered on condition that Assange gave up his source. Obviously, Assange had enough integrity to reject the offer.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 18 2020, @11:44PM (10 children)
Logic ain't your strong suit I see.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:05AM (2 children)
I take it that you are strong on logic? Fine, you lay out the logic behind asking someone to cover up something he has already disavowed. I've got all day.
Meanwhile, I'll just do one of those analogy things. Throughout the course of about five years, you do several interviews with the media, in which you state how much you admire and trust your local police department. Then, maybe you're pulled over for suspicion of drunk driving, and you get booked into jail. So, now your past statements regarding your police department are trotted out as "evidence" that the police have coerced you into covering up police conduct.
It makes zero sense.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:13AM (1 child)
Slimy operative has compromising info. Claims to not have such info and uses it to blackmail people or keep as insurance from those who would rather silence him.
Another take, he could have been pressured to say he didn't have such evidence and Trump then continued to pressure him when it seemed possible he might let it out anyway.
Grandpa it is time to take a nap, maybe check into a nursing home.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday September 20 2020, @03:41AM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @04:21AM (6 children)
How is what he stated illogical? Because it doesn't fit your narative number 133528850 - AKA Orange Man Bad Again?
At this point to even take the fake news media at their word when it comes to a headline, where they coutnermend it themselves in body paragraph 56 over and over again, is just laughable.
(Score: 2) by driverless on Saturday September 19 2020, @07:59AM (5 children)
Well, he's claiming a sociopath has integrity ("Obviously, Assange had enough integrity") for starters, that pretty much kills it from the outset.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @08:34AM (4 children)
That's right. Journalists doing their job but not working for the USA are sociopaths. And russian rapist agents.
(Score: 2) by driverless on Saturday September 19 2020, @08:48AM (3 children)
Yeah, so actually I wasn't using it as a generic insult but in reference to him most likely having narcissistic personality disorder (NPD). Personal integrity isn't a trait that anyone with NPD exhibits.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @03:12PM (1 child)
Stop pathologizing people you don't like, and just state your disagreement with them. If you believe he lacks personal integrity, say that, don't call him a sociopath unless you have actual evidence of that.
(Score: 2) by driverless on Sunday September 20 2020, @11:59PM
I've known him since he was Mendax. It isn't "pathologizing someone I don't like".
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday September 20 2020, @05:39PM
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:09AM
What "fail"? Propaganda is their job!
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 5, Informative) by c0lo on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:14AM (3 children)
The offer seems to have been: put up (something that exonerates us) or we're gonna shut you up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:23AM (1 child)
Your reading at least begins to make sense, but it still doesn't cut it.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:40AM
Pay attensh'n boy, ah'm cuttin' but you're ain't bleed'n. [barbneal.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 5, Informative) by deimtee on Saturday September 19 2020, @10:25AM
The only way he could prove it was not the Russians would be to rat out whoever it actually was.
Here's a question, if he publicly said it was Seth Rich who provided the emails, how much would that hurt the Democrats?
IMHO at the very least it would increase the suspicion that "Killary" had him bumped off. Is that enough for a couple of rethuglicans to offer him a pardon?
If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:57AM
Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher, and pro-Trump troll Charles Johnson just went to London to admire Assange's apartment?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Saturday September 19 2020, @04:46AM (2 children)
[CITATION NEEDED]
Counter argument: All he had to do was state that the source was not Russia and he would get a pardon. And yet, he has no pardon.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by c0lo on Saturday September 19 2020, @04:53AM
[Citation needed]
So far
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @05:45AM
It would be equally absurd to offer somebody a pardon just to state that it wasn't $country. I mean, strictly speaking that means you have n - 1 countries to investigate, but you still haven't really learned anything.
(Score: 2) by legont on Sunday September 20 2020, @12:29AM
Besides, the moment he puts it on Russia, they will just feed him some novichok and close the case. He is smart enough to know it.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2) by leon_the_cat on Sunday September 20 2020, @07:09AM
100% THIS. Sad to see this dishonest article.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Username on Friday September 18 2020, @11:38PM (29 children)
"cover up Russia's involvement in hacking emails"
"pro-Trump troll"
When there's a russia conspiracy and scornful insults combined to create "journalism" that insinuates sedition of a us president, it's most likely fake news. Considering it's a republican president, it's most likely generated by democrats. Being this close to the 2020 election, we can assume that it's propaganda from a group affiliated with the Biden camp.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 18 2020, @11:41PM
Har har har
So much TDS you have!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:04AM (27 children)
Perhaps SN should exercise some editorial discretion to quote more serious media, especially when given in the submission. We know where the Guardian lies politically, but they are at least serious enough to refrain from characterizing someone as a "Pro-Trump troll".
(Score: 2) by Username on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:14AM (2 children)
Or counterbalance that article with a relevant article from a right wing perspective. Maybe a story from The Daily Wire to counter The Daily Beast.
(Score: 4, Informative) by janrinok on Saturday September 19 2020, @07:47AM
Of course, you did read the bit at the bottom which states :
This means that the editors did their job, and found other reports that were carrying the story - not just the one you feel should have a counterbalance to it. Perhaps they couldn't find a right wing story covering this topic?
But feel free to go and find another story covering the "offering of a pardon to Assange" - after all, that is the topic of this story, not the fact that you don't like the politics behind it - from another source and reference it in your next comment.
(Score: 2) by Pav on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:17PM
It's hardly a right-wing position. There are PLENTY of leftie journalists ie. Aaron Mate, Matt Taibbi, Glenn Greenwald, Thomas Frank, Nomi Konst, Krystal Ball (and many MANY more)... ie. those on the ACTUAL left (not the corporate Dems who try to airfreshen their anti-worker positions with identity politics).
(Score: 4, Informative) by c0lo on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:23AM
Reuter's good enough for yea? [reuters.com]
How about AP? [apnews.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Informative) by barbara hudson on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:59AM (22 children)
Did you even look at the Guardian article. A search on the page doesn't find even 1 occurrence of the word "troll."
Your post, on the other hand, is a right-wing troll.
Amazing how many of these right-wing trolls hide behind "Anonymous Coward."
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 2) by The Vocal Minority on Saturday September 19 2020, @06:58AM (3 children)
I think Colo, you, and the people who have modded your posts need to re-read the post you are both responding to. Hint: it wasn't claiming that the word "troll" was appearing in the Guardian article, quite the opposite in fact.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday September 19 2020, @07:14AM (2 children)
I was answering to your "to quote more serious media, especially when given in the submission." and provided two sources from the press agencies just in case you expressed the need for such.
Neither approved not attacked what you were saying.
BTW, nickname's c0lo, with lowcaps c and a zero for the second letter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by The Vocal Minority on Sunday September 20 2020, @05:27AM (1 child)
I wasn't the AC - I'd like to think I wouldn't post something that was so disingenuous. I think the ACs point, at least in as much as they had a point outside of the creation of a memetic trap, was that the quotes should have appeared in TFS. Apologies for not capitalising your name correctly, no offense intended.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday September 20 2020, @07:30AM
Apologies for have mistaken you for the AC, my fault for not paying attention.
The necessary correction: "I was answering to
your"to quote more serious media, especially when given in the submission." and provided two sources from the press agencies just in caseyou expressedone expresses the need for such."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Pav on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:28PM (17 children)
It's hardly a right-wing position though. There are many MANY journalists who have been skeptical of the many Russiagate narratives, and if you watch their reporting you'll see how many Russiagate stories the likes of the Guardian, the BBC, the New York Times etc... have had to retract. Seriously... look them up, and check out their record over time... it's certainly better than the ever collapsing and re-evolving Russiagate/Ukraingate narratives. And these guys aren't lightweights... they're Glenn Greenwald (who broke the Snowden story), Aaron Mate, Matt Taibbi, Thomas Frank (who wrote Listen Liberal), Nomi Konst, Krystal Ball and quite a few more. And these guys are REAL lefties... not just corporatists who use positions that cost the plutocrats who fund them nothing (eg. identity politics, "hope and change" etc...)
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:17PM (16 children)
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 2) by Pav on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:58PM (14 children)
Not sure if you want to do a deep dive, but if you're interested Aaron Mate [youtube.com] had a discussion/debate on that report with a writer for the New York Times Magazine by the name of Mattathias Schwartz who has written several articles on figures surrounding Trump/Russia including Bill Barr. Mattathias admitted he should look more deeply into some of the issues Aaron raised, and the facts are out there and available to anyone else should you wish to fact check them. Aaron has had several interesting debates over the last two years. Right at the beginning of Russiagate, when a reporter from the Guardian (Luke Harding) played a large part in starting the whole thing Aaron interviewed him and poked such big holes in his narrative that he walked out of the interview... it's certainly worth a watch [youtube.com].
Aaron is very anti-Trump, and his position all along is that the Russiagate narrative is a distraction from real electoral issues, and a fake one at that, and this would ultimately stop the Democrats from asking hard questions about why Hillary lost and also help Trump in the longer term. It actually seems to have, and if Trump hadn't bungled the virus response so badly he would have been the favorite to win. The fact that he still has an outside chance speaks volumes to how vapid and substance-free the centrist Democrats really are.
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:51PM (13 children)
Not really. I'm sick and tired of Trimps lies.
Earlier this week he was claiming that Canada wants to open the border. Nothing could be further from the truth. Polls show 75% want the border to stay closed. And most Canadians don't see it opening in 2021 either.
It's just too risky. Being safe north of the US border, I can say "I have enough information to decide he's a crook, and probably guilty of treason. Who cares past that point?"
You really need to either fix your constitutional imbalances, rewrite it from scratch, or split the country up physically. Let the red states go. They can have their statues to civil war traitors, and finally stand on their own two feet economically.
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday September 19 2020, @06:44PM (6 children)
Heh, that'd be hilarious. The shiny new blue nation would be completely empty in under a month. Almost all of their food comes from red states and without a congress to say you can't slap tariffs on food to NY or CA because they're colossal fucktards, the only ones able to afford our bread will be the Wall Street types.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday September 19 2020, @07:00PM (5 children)
So Mexico for out of season, Canada for meat and wheat and soybeans.
None of this has to pass through red states - all those abandoned cruise ships could be converted to do a short cargo run from Mexico to California, sliolonger to New York.
But speaking of tariffs, the blue states can do the same.
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday September 19 2020, @09:52PM (4 children)
Do you even listen to what you say? Fruit and veg != grain and legumes. And no way in hell can Canada keep up with even vegan-assed California's meat demands. Fortunately, there's pretty much nothing we actually need from those half dozen or so states.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday September 19 2020, @10:26PM (3 children)
Canada can supply any wheat shortfall. #2 exporter in the world, behind Russia. And remember, those Midwest states will be sitting on in sellable wheat if they put on an export tax.
California and Mexico can meet most of the blue states needs for fruits and veggies.
As for soybeans, the Midwest got beaten up by Trump over that with his fight with China. Put a tariff on experts to blue states and watch farms go bust because a red-state-only country is going to be very very poor, so its federal government won't have money for bailouts. The poorest states are mostly red states sucking off blue states.
Same with beef and pork. You'll be eating old shoe leather thrice boiled.
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday September 19 2020, @11:31PM (2 children)
You think the goods will go unsold if they don't sell to the half dozen blue states? Interesting to see the contortions your mind goes through to keep from having to see you're dead wrong. The blue states don't supply jack shit useful to anyone anymore except Cali's ag industry, and that'll be going away within a few years if nothing at all changes. Folks are leaving Cali in droves. That's what happens when you try to run an economy on based on feelz rather than sound economic principles.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday September 19 2020, @11:52PM (1 child)
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday September 20 2020, @03:45PM
That's not what I proposed. I proposed putting tariffs to the blue states on them. Everyone else (barring a separate reason), free market.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Pav on Saturday September 19 2020, @11:51PM (5 children)
TRUMPS lies? Aaron Mate is as left and as anti-Trump as it gets, as are plenty of other journalists, a few of which I've named... some of which I forgot such as the guy who broke the Nixon/Watergate story, Chris Hedges... a pulitzer prize winner, and a guy who was forced to resign as Middle East bureau chief for the New York Times because he denounced the Iraq War as it was happening. If you prefer the words of careerists who prefer to keep their jobs in centrist media than tell the truth as they see it then be my guest. The journalists I've named are just not willing to support the Hillary/Democrat lie they used to avoid responsibility for 2016. Deep dive at least on a point or two and judge for yourself, or if you can't be bothered judge the centrist Dems by their own actions. The Dems allowed some of the furthest right Bush-era war and deficit hawks to have lengthy speeches at their convention, and disallowed the likes of Nina Turner, Tulsi Gabbard etc... and limited AOC to a 30 second prerecorded speech from a wing of the party who, under Bernie, accounts for a sizable minority of their party... and refuses to even include ONE of the Bernie positions, some of which have majority support among BOTH Dems and Republicans. Why does the "left" corporate media scream Russia and refuse to understand the actual reason why Hillary lost to Trump? ie. Trumps lies about bringing jobs back, fixing infrastructure, getting out of foreign wars etc... At least Trump gave lip service to what the electorate actually wanted in 2016... an electorate that had previously voted in a black guy with a muslim name BTW (in case you bought the BS that bigotry lost Hillary the election).
(Score: 2) by Pav on Sunday September 20 2020, @12:01AM (1 child)
Daniel Elsberg was the Watergate guy... it looks like I was saying Chris Hedges broke watergate because I used a comma instead of an "and"... thought I'd manage to remember three names, and only managed one, and part of anothers resume. ;)
(Score: 2) by Pav on Sunday September 20 2020, @12:34AM
*sigh* Bob Woodward is who I meant.... Dan Ellsberg was the leaker, and he's also anti-Russiagate BTW, along with pretty much every deep state leaker ever (except perhaps that recent leaker against Trump who helped spin Russiagate into Ukraingate).
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Sunday September 20 2020, @12:19AM (2 children)
I'm tired wrestling with pigs - the pigs enjoy it too much.
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 2) by Pav on Sunday September 20 2020, @12:38AM
A common left wing critique is... right wing somehow???
(Score: 2) by Pav on Sunday September 20 2020, @05:19AM
Just watch these guys talk... Lying is cognitively difficult... telling the truth is easy. These are three ACTUAL left wing journalists [youtube.com] talking about getting gaslit by mainstream supposed "left wing" media about stuff they KNEW was BS because they were personally involved in some of it. This is WHY when Trump says "fake news" (even though he's a compulsive liar himself) it lands!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday September 20 2020, @05:46PM
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 18 2020, @11:39PM (1 child)
The Nazi comparisons used to be more metaphorical, but they are rapidly becoming quite literal.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-us-education-nazi-germany-hitler-youth-programme-b482696.html [independent.co.uk]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @06:43AM
Russia did that earlier with Yunarmiya (All-Russia "Young Army" National Military Patriotic Social Movement Association). US is a copycat now and you won't like where you are going ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by nostyle on Friday September 18 2020, @11:59PM (22 children)
RIP RBG. You were the best!
(Score: 4, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:04AM (5 children)
Yeah, heard that. You reckon our collective sorrow will bring us all closer together and get us earnestly attempting to work together to solve the US's problems?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:32AM (4 children)
Fat chance of that happening.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:59AM
Killed Bill yet.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:17AM (2 children)
Not while you are promoting fascism, which is hilarious that you as a 2A type somehow want a fascist who literally said "take their guns first, go through due process second."
How you can still think you are on the side of good? Every politician you support is a corrupt lying fascist drooling about using violence against their political opponents. That is how the game is played, steadily radicalize violence with your base until they are ready for you to drop the Final Solution.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:34AM (1 child)
I'm not on Trump's side, for starters. I want one thing of Trump, which is to appoint a SC justice with conservative values.
The quote you attribute to Trump refers to so-called 'red flag laws'. I note that Trump has not signed any such law.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 21 2020, @03:20AM
Trump isn't the legislature genius. Keep enabling fascists, great look for you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:06AM (14 children)
RIP.
So who's Trump's third SC justice gonna be?
(Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:10AM (4 children)
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/additions-president-donald-j-trumps-supreme-court-list/ [whitehouse.gov]
Bridget Bade?
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:36AM (3 children)
9th circuit? That idea doesn't thrill me. I'd have to do some research to see what she stands for, but 9th circuit has it's history.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:39AM (2 children)
They also just threw out California's magazine capacity limiting laws though, so shurg.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:47AM (1 child)
No, that magazine capacity thing is still in effect, the last I heard. The panel's decision is being appealed. There is no guarantee that the appeal will ever be heard. If the 9th doesn't want to hear the case en banc, there is nothing to be done about it.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday September 19 2020, @03:47AM
You have that backwards. If the ninth doesn't hear the appeal en banc, the ruling stands and the law is gone barring SCOTUS overturning the decision.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:18AM
What are you talking about? Mitch assured us that if the tables were turned, he would not go ahead with the nomination process.
(Score: 3, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:38AM (7 children)
Nobody this term. There's already precedent for not allowing a President to appoint a Justice a few months before the election.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:10AM (5 children)
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha, boy you're funny. That would mean Mitch has ANY integrity.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday September 19 2020, @03:48AM (4 children)
Guess we'll see, won't we.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:02PM (3 children)
Indeed, I guess we will. Oops, looks like we have [washingtonpost.com].
I hope you are disappointed, but if you are surprised, then you need to get your head out of your Fox bubble.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:53PM (2 children)
A bit, if it actually happens. It's not often I land on the not-cynical-enough side.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @05:19PM (1 child)
It will happen if he thinks he has the votes. It has absolutely nothing to do with respecting his position, honoring his word, or any other appeal to higher principles. He routinely and very shamelessly changes his position on issues when it suits his needs. The entire government would run much better if he was voted out of office because he alone won't let bills come to a vote (and he thinks it is funny to be known as the grim reaper), but unfortunately it doesn't look like that will happen.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday September 19 2020, @06:50PM
Eh, that's every House or Senate leader since I've been alive. Pelosi has done exactly the same thing since the day she took House leadership. If you're going to criticize something, make sure you're speaking truth instead of spin.
And I didn't expect him to keep his word for any honorable reason, just so he wouldn't have the most blatant lie since "Read my lips: no new taxes" around his neck when he it's voting time.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Tuesday September 22 2020, @03:12PM
Politicians *love* to hypocritically criticize the other party for doing something they themselves *are currently doing.* It's like if they scream loud enough about how wrong it is the other guys are doing it nobody will notice them doing the same.
Just because the Republicans dragged their heels for most of a year to prevent Obama doing it, of course they fucking are saying "nope, see no problem doing it less than 2 months before the election, get it moving Bitch McWeasel."
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:28AM
Whoa! Somehow I missed the news, and skimmed over your post first time around. Like her or not, doesn't she deserve a post of her own?
https://www.cnet.com/news/supreme-court-justice-ruth-bader-ginsburg-dead-at-87/ [cnet.com]
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:25AM (1 child)
When I click on the "Politics:" part of the title it gives me a list of stories rather than just the article itself. But if I click on the headline after politics, it brings me to the article, with a "Politics" banner.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:41AM
That's actually "working as intended, though not widely known". Not sure who made that decision back in the day but it's easy enough to change if it gets on enough nerves to warrant the time.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @05:50AM (8 children)
1) The leaked material revealed DNC corruption for which there has been no accountability whatsoever.
2) There are no Russia links and Assange already said so.
3) Assange was asked to betray his real source, which he declined to do.
4) The DNC continues to lie about this (and everything else).
(Score: 4, Informative) by c0lo on Saturday September 19 2020, @07:25AM (7 children)
The DNC is only bound to its members, if they don't ask for answers, no answers are due.
This does make untrue that republican politicians asked for more, offering "bribes"
Mate, take a big breath and sir down, you're in for a big surprise. Ready?
That story is not a DNC one or biased in any way, those are statements presented in front of the British court that hears the case of Assange's extradition.
This court have no relation with Trump or DNC, and the argument is meant to show that Assange is not going to have a fair trial in US, because both major political parties have a big interest in the play.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday September 19 2020, @08:01AM (4 children)
c0lo - thanks for explaining this to the huge number of of our community that believe everything is governed by US politics. There are 195 countries in the world [worldometers.info] and the USA is but one of them.
The remaining 194 have less interest in US opinion as each day passes, but the sale of popcorn has increased recently.
(Score: 2) by Pav on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:49PM (3 children)
What a steaming pile of BS... Of the Five Eyes countries both the UK and Australia have conservative governments who LOVE bootlicking, or as a former Australian Labor Prime Minister [youtube.com] put it "they wait for a signal from abroad before they even think...". Unfortunately for Assange he holds an Australian passport, and he's sitting in a court in the UK.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:05PM (1 child)
You are forgetting that a US diplomat's wife - who held no diplomatic immunity herself - killed a UK citizen by driving on the wrong side of the road in the UK. She left the country on a US flight after assuring the police that she would not do so. The UK asked for her to be returned to face a UK court, where she would probably have been found guilty of driving without due care and attention and banned from driving in the UK for a short period of time. Had she stayed in the UK after the accident she could easily have received nothing more than a nominal fine. However, the US have refused to allow this to happen.
Extradition is a two-way street, and the UK might be content to refuse to extradite Assange based on the arguments presented in court, but order him to leave the UK as an undesirable person, possibly to return him to Australia. Australia cannot refuse to accept him as he is one of their citizens, and it then becomes an Australian problem. The UK will have made their point to the US, the problem is solved as far as they are concerned and Assange can ask his own country to provide him with sanctuary.
Will Australia provide him with any support? - who knows, but that is another battle.
(Score: 2) by Pav on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:36PM
I repeat... these conservative governments love bootlicking, serving power, however you might wish to put it. If Obama (a conservative by any other countries measure, who by his own words would have been a moderate Republican a generation before) was willing to pretend to sip water in Flint in an attempt to tamp things down for those responsible, and Biden is willing to actively accept an endorsement from the Republican govenor who oversaw 10,000 Flint kids getting lead-induced brain damage is it so hard to imagine a government willing to sell out a citizen road victim in order to serve the powerful? Assange is toast, which makes it remarkable that leakers keep stepping up, and journalists keep being willing to publish them.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday September 19 2020, @06:40PM
I hate to repeat myself [soylentnews.org]
For the rest of it, unfortunately you have a point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Frosty Piss on Sunday September 20 2020, @06:06AM (1 child)
Obviously you’re a Deep State Dupe.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday September 20 2020, @07:24AM
Obviously, I'm not living in US - keep your deep state nuttery for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford