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posted by martyb on Saturday November 07 2020, @07:10PM   Printer-friendly [Skip to comment(s)]

Fox News (among many other outlets[*]) is reporting: Biden wins presidency, Trump denied second term in White House:

Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden has defeated President Trump, denying him a second term after a bitter campaign and dramatic, prolonged vote count in battleground states that sparked a flurry of lawsuits.

The Fox News Decision Desk projected Saturday that Biden will win the state of Nevada and the commonwealth of Pennsylvania, giving the former vice president the electoral votes he needs to win the White House.

[...] "I am honored and humbled by the trust the American people have placed in me and in Vice President-elect Harris," Biden said in a statement. "In the face of unprecedented obstacles, a record number of Americans voted. Proving once again, that democracy beats deep in the heart of America."

He added: "With the campaign over, it's time to put the anger and the harsh rhetoric behind us and come together as a nation."

Biden's campaign announced that the president-elect and Harris, his running mate, will speak at an event in his hometown of Wilmington, Delaware at 8 p.m. ET.

Joseph Biden would become the 46th President of the US; U.S. Senator Kamala Harris of California, the 49th Vice President.

Also at: NY Post, CBS News, ABC News, CNN, CNBC, and USA Today.

IMPORTANT: There are still votes to be counted, a recount has been requested in one state, and there are numerous court challenges launched by the Trump campaign. Further, nothing is official until the actual vote by the Electoral College.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by martyb on Saturday November 07 2020, @07:28PM (114 children)

    by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 07 2020, @07:28PM (#1074218) Journal

    As mentioned in the story, these are projections. Nothing is certain until the Electoral College convenes and casts their votes.

    Do please keep in mind that this was a fiercely contested election and that there are likely to be strong feelings on either side.

    A period of transition lies ahead. The sooner we accept the outcome and work together for the good of the country (and of the world), the better it will be for everyone.

    --
    Wit is intellect, dancing.
    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Saturday November 07 2020, @07:38PM (58 children)

      by hemocyanin (186) on Saturday November 07 2020, @07:38PM (#1074224) Journal

      The sooner we accept the outcome and work together ...

      Dominion Software.

      Trump Accountability Project.

      If you think everything is going back to normal with Biden -- exporting jobs and starting wars around the world -- you are probably right. If you think this country is coming together after the blatantly corrupt election process, especially with the woke regressive left running the show, then you're living in fantasy.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @07:56PM (9 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @07:56PM (#1074230)

        There is nothing stopping Trump from nuking North Korea on hist last morning. Then Trump says "see you!!"
        Or sales Florida to Cuba for a box of cigars,

        Yeah, right nothing will go wrong.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:38PM (7 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:38PM (#1074265)

          I imagine the prez can't just authorize a strike for literally no reason and he would be stopped. POTUS makes the final decision, but not in a vacuum.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @09:23PM (6 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @09:23PM (#1074308)

            Have you seen inside the head of a "Stable Genius"?
            You give him too much credit.

            And yes he wanted to buy Greenland... First it is green like golf course. Second if climate warming... IT WILL BE GREEN! And got the land cheap.

            • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Reziac on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:02AM (5 children)

              by Reziac (2489) on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:02AM (#1074516) Homepage

              Greenland has a shitload of natural resources. It would have been on par with the Alaska purchase.

              • (Score: 2) by captain normal on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:14AM (4 children)

                by captain normal (2205) on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:14AM (#1074544)

                Except that we would have given up Puerto Rico for the deal. Let me see now: warm tropical climate and excellent rum for ice and snow and maybe a few precious gems and maybe some oil. hummm...I'l take PR any time.
                And did I forget some of the best ocean fishing on the planet.

                • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Immerman on Monday November 09 2020, @04:47AM (2 children)

                  by Immerman (3985) on Monday November 09 2020, @04:47AM (#1075007)

                  Greenland would have to be crazy to sell, and we'd have to be crazy not to buy if Puerto Rico was a significant part of the price.

                  PR is a tiny tropical pebble, likely to be almost uninhabitable before the century, if not underwater, with only modest strategic value as a convenient foothold for maintaining our military influence over South America

                  Greenland is 155x as large, rich in mineral resources, poised to become a new temperate zone, strategically located to provide a strong claim to rich Arctic oil fields and shipping lanes, and would provide immense strategic value in any future conflicts with Europe, Russia, or Canada. And if we cross the tipping point to a hothouse Earth, tensions are are likely to be high for several centuries.

                  • (Score: 2) by captain normal on Monday November 09 2020, @06:28PM (1 child)

                    by captain normal (2205) on Monday November 09 2020, @06:28PM (#1075263)

                    1-Greenland is a territory of Denmark, and they are sure to drive a hard bargain.
                    2-PR is not a coral reef. It is a volcanic island with mountains over 1000 km high. If it were to flood, you could say goodbye to Florida, most of Georgia, Alabama and petty much all of Mississippi and Louisiana as well as a huge chunk of Texas (say goodbye to Houston and Dallas). The whole Mississippi River Valley would be an inland sea. Not to mention most of the eastern seaboard...Washington DC, Philadelphia, New York, Boston etc. Audios to Chicago, Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland as well as Los Angles, Most of San Francisco, Portland and Seattle. But it's not going to happen in your lifetime, not your kids liftimes, or grand kids, or their grand kids.
                    3-Are you expecting conflicts (war) with Europe and Canada? Maybe there will be conflicts with Russia, but Alaska (of course with out Anchorage and the North Slope) is closer to Russia than Greenland even though proximity does not seem to make much difference in modern warfare.

                    • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Monday November 09 2020, @11:25PM

                      by Immerman (3985) on Monday November 09 2020, @11:25PM (#1075385)

                      1) Like I said, they'd have to be crazy to sell, but if they sold so cheap that PR was a big part of the price, we'd have to be crazy not to jump on it.

                      I'd say war with Canada is a distinct possibility. As trigger-happy as the US government is, what do you expect will happen when our breadbasket goes to hell, while Canada's tundra becomes warm and fertile?

                      Europe will probably be too busy fighting each other, but no telling what will happen if political stability collapses. And while Alaska is closer to Russia's borders, it's close to the empty ass-end, most
                      of the interesting stuff is likely to happen in the more densely populated West. Plus, having control of two sides of the ocean would be a major strategic asset for controlling access.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:05AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:05AM (#1076480)

                  Except that we would have given up Puerto Rico for the deal.

                  Nobody will tow Puerto Rico away. It's an island, not a floating barge needing a captain. It'll always be there for you.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:50PM

          by Grishnakh (2831) on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:50PM (#1074370)

          I think you meant "selling Florida to Cuba", because otherwise your sentence doesn't parse.

          Anyway, that still makes no sense. Trump has no such power on his own. Congress might be able to sell Florida to Cuba, after getting the President to sign it, and also having it somehow get past the Supreme Court. I imagine the legal challenges would be huge. Personally, I'd love to sell southern Florida to Cuba: it's going to be largely underwater in a century anyway, and we should build a wall to keep FloridaMan (and his buddy Trump) in southern Florida and out of the rest of America. But I don't think it's going to happen.

          I don't believe the President can unilaterally order a nuclear strike either. I'm pretty sure the DOD would stop that: there's numerous levels of command there, and while the military has been sitting back while Trump has made a fool of himself these last 4 years, that doesn't mean they're going to blindly obey an order that would set off WWIII. Heck, even if it were technically illegal to disobey such an order, they could do so, place Trump under arrest, and wait for Biden to be sworn in, at which time they'd surely be pardoned.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:56PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:56PM (#1074283)

        You can shut up now, fucking astroturfer. Unless you want to keep working for free, because the Trump money flow will soon dry out.

        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @09:14PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @09:14PM (#1074300)

          Salty in victory. Gotta love it.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:26AM (45 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:26AM (#1074434)

        Huh? Trump didn't do anything to stop the exporting of jobs or the wars we're already in. He could have ended the wars, but he didn't.

        If you think this country is coming together after the blatantly corrupt election process

        The election process that Trump tried (and is trying) to sabotage? He first tried sabotaging the USPS, and then constantly cast doubt on absentee ballots all the while. So, Trump doesn't support a fair election process.

        • (Score: 0, Troll) by hemocyanin on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:48AM (25 children)

          by hemocyanin (186) on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:48AM (#1074447) Journal

          I look forward to the new war in Syria, Comrade. Glad to be on the right side of history.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @02:58AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @02:58AM (#1074515)

            Don't be a fool

          • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Sunday November 08 2020, @06:38AM (9 children)

            by deimtee (3272) on Sunday November 08 2020, @06:38AM (#1074586) Journal

            As the AC says, they won't be going into Syria. They'll be going into Iran.

            --
            No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:35AM (5 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:35AM (#1074607)

              C'mon! Dick "Dick" Dick Cheney is on his second decade on a stolen young man's heart, and his daughter does not qualify for a Wyoming fishing license for another two years, so the chance of the "Projection for aNew Amercian Centoblast" taking over again, is rather slime. Wolfowitz is still trying to get oral sex, so actual military action is not in his portfolio. And The most Clinton ever did, was a cruise missile attack on Al Quaida bases in Afghanistan, which is about what Trump did in Syria. So what was your point, again? If Trump attempts to flee to any country, we should declare a hot pursuit, legal under the current laws of armed conflict? Or, are you just an asshole Republican warmonger? Reagan: Grenada. Bush, GW, Panama. Clinton? Not so much. GW? Afghanistan, Iran, Somalia, and Florida. Republicans are less invasive? Not. Eisenhower: Honduras, Nicaragua, Guatamala, El Salvador. And, a left over, Cuba. Yeah, Trump is only like that because of bone spurs and being traumatized by a Miltiary Academy his father sent him to, after he caught him with a switch-blade. True! Look it up.

              • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:25PM (4 children)

                by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:25PM (#1074654) Homepage Journal

                With Grenada, the US was invited in by its head of state.

                • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Monday November 09 2020, @02:05AM (3 children)

                  by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Monday November 09 2020, @02:05AM (#1074943)

                  Grenada's head of state was dead when America invaded. [wikipedia.org]

                  The overthrow of a moderately socialist government by one which was strongly pro-communist concerned the administration of US President Ronald Reagan.

                  No surprises there then.

                  Reagan claimed the new airport runway could be used by the Soviets to refuel military aircraft heading to Central America, despite that making no sense, and also being a lie.

                  • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Monday November 09 2020, @03:58AM (2 children)

                    by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 09 2020, @03:58AM (#1074979) Homepage Journal

                    Grenada's head of state was its governor general. As such, he's the one with the right to call elections, but the government used its usurped power to prevent the election.
                    That's when he (in exile) called on the US to invade.

                    • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Monday November 09 2020, @08:28PM (1 child)

                      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Monday November 09 2020, @08:28PM (#1075309)

                      It took me a little while, but you're right:

                      ...Scoon, acting through secret diplomatic channels, asked the United States and other Caribbean nations to intervene and depose the Coard government. He was well within his rights to do so, acting under the reserve powers vested in the Crown. After Coard was made aware of this, he placed Scoon under house arrest, but Coard himself was deposed by Austin on 19 October,

                      Reagan took very little convincing as he was always happy to kill some Communists. Margaret Thatcher was pissed off however. Not that Reagan cared what she thought.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Thexalon on Sunday November 08 2020, @07:23PM (2 children)

              by Thexalon (636) on Sunday November 08 2020, @07:23PM (#1074777)

              Not likely: Towards the end of Obama's administration, the US secretary of state John Kerry had done a lot to cool down tensions between the US and Iran, and Joe Biden was working in that White House helping him do that. Both Biden and the Iranians know that doing so worked out just fine for both sides of that. The people who got butthurt about the US *not* attacking Iran were the Israelis and the Saudis, but their interests shouldn't be driving US foreign policy.

              --
              The inverse of "I told you so" is "Nobody could have predicted"
              • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Wednesday November 11 2020, @06:01AM (1 child)

                by Grishnakh (2831) on Wednesday November 11 2020, @06:01AM (#1076075)

                The people who got butthurt about the US *not* attacking Iran were the Israelis and the Saudis, but their interests shouldn't be driving US foreign policy.

                Republican voters completely disagree with you. Defending Israel at all costs, no matter what Israel does, seems to be one of the Republican Party's platform planks.

                • (Score: 3, Informative) by Thexalon on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:21PM

                  by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:21PM (#1076288)

                  For the Republican base at least, it's not really "defend Israel no matter what Israel does". The real story there is that they want Israel to conquer the remainder of what they believe are the Biblical borders Israel and have all Jews move there, because that's a pre-requisite for the Second Coming of Jesus (in which all those Jews will be slaughtered and sent to Hell). And barring that, the Republican base also wants Israel to just kill as many Muslims as they can because they think all Muslims are evil and need to be killed.

                  A lot of this was also motivating the Republican base's support of the Iraq War. From their point of view, 800,000 dead Iraqi civilians is a good start.

                  --
                  The inverse of "I told you so" is "Nobody could have predicted"
          • (Score: 3, Informative) by PiMuNu on Sunday November 08 2020, @10:23AM (13 children)

            by PiMuNu (3823) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 08 2020, @10:23AM (#1074621)

            Bush sr and jr invaded Afghanistan and Iraq (twice). Don't blame the lefties!

            • (Score: 4, Insightful) by deimtee on Sunday November 08 2020, @11:47AM (6 children)

              by deimtee (3272) on Sunday November 08 2020, @11:47AM (#1074633) Journal

              Nobody is blaming the lefties. They are blaming the MIC, which both USA parties are now kowtowing to. I didn't like him, but Trump was the last politician who wasn't controlled by them. I fully expect that within two years the USA (and lapdogs like us in Oz) will be invading Iran.

              Not happy Jan.*

              *https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2akt3P8ltLM

              --
              No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:57PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:57PM (#1074706)

                > They are blaming the MIC, which both USA parties are now kowtowing to. I didn't like him, but Trump was the last politician who wasn't controlled by them.

                Try a search for:
                Trump connections to military industrial complex

                The pattern I see is typical Trump lies on the surface, but plenty of connections slightly behind the curtain. For example,

                How Trump Got Played By The Military-Industrial Complex
                https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-military-industrial-complex_n_5f89cbbcc5b69daf5e12d23b [huffpost.com]

                • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Sunday November 08 2020, @10:13PM

                  by deimtee (3272) on Sunday November 08 2020, @10:13PM (#1074850) Journal

                  The fact that he was "played by them" would indicate that he was not one of them. There is a difference between a politician doing deals to locate pork in key states and someone who would kill thousands to millions of soldiers and Iranians for profit.

                  --
                  No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
              • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Monday November 09 2020, @02:09AM (2 children)

                by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Monday November 09 2020, @02:09AM (#1074946)

                America is not invading Iran, with or without help from Australia.

                Iran is nothing like Iraq. Any president that asked the joint chiefs or whoever to get a plan going would be talked out of it.

                • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Monday November 09 2020, @02:54AM (1 child)

                  by deimtee (3272) on Monday November 09 2020, @02:54AM (#1074959) Journal

                  I hope AU and NZ don't go, but with or without us I expect the yanks to.
                  The neocons want to. The Israelis want them to. The Saudis want them to. Trump didn't want to start a war, and his unexpected win over Clinton derailed the MIC's plans. I expect Biden to go along with them.

                  "Anyone can go to Baghdad; real men go to Tehran."

                  --
                  No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
                  • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Monday November 09 2020, @08:16PM

                    by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Monday November 09 2020, @08:16PM (#1075307)

                    Trump didn't want to start a war...

                    That seems to be largely true, which is good.

                    I still think wiser heads will prevail and the US will not invade Iran, because it would be worse than Vietnam, and the result would be the same, and the military will be well aware of that.

                    New Zealand would definitely not send troops, and I don't think Australia would either.

              • (Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Monday November 09 2020, @09:02AM

                by PiMuNu (3823) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 09 2020, @09:02AM (#1075069)

                > I look forward to the new war in Syria, Comrade.

                My mistake - I took Comrade to be a reference to communism, as in

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comrade [wikipedia.org]

                but I could have been over-interpreting.

            • (Score: 4, Insightful) by hendrikboom on Monday November 09 2020, @04:02AM (5 children)

              by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 09 2020, @04:02AM (#1074981) Homepage Journal

              The first invasion of Iraq was under UN auspices to liberate Kuwait, which had just been invaded by Iraq. Bush withdrew when this mission was accomplished because
                  (1) he had no UN mandate to go further
                  (2) There was no viable exit plan if he *had* gone further.

              The second Bush, presumably to outdo his daddy, went and did the second invasion, which got mired in exactly the way the first Bush had predicted.

              -- hendrik

              • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Monday November 09 2020, @08:15PM (4 children)

                by Thexalon (636) on Monday November 09 2020, @08:15PM (#1075306)

                The second Bush, presumably to outdo his daddy, went and did the second invasion, which got mired in exactly the way the first Bush had predicted.

                I think it's significant that the key people who were involved in making the Iraq War happen (Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Powell) were all involved in the Gulf War as well. And I don't consider it an accident that the most hawkish of the lot were the guys that had never gotten anywhere near actual combat before. So I don't think it was W trying to outdo his daddy as much as the guys behind desks who like to get people killed halfway around the world getting mad that the Gulf War didn't end with a complete conquest of Iraq.

                --
                The inverse of "I told you so" is "Nobody could have predicted"
                • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:09PM (3 children)

                  by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:09PM (#1076552) Homepage Journal

                  I have read that the day the second Bush took office he asked his advisors, "Can't we do something about Iraq?"

                  • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday November 12 2020, @02:19PM (2 children)

                    by Thexalon (636) on Thursday November 12 2020, @02:19PM (#1076576)

                    More damning is the document Rebuilding America's Defenses [cryptome.org], written by the Project for a New American Century, a pro-war group that included Cheney, Wolfowitz, and Rumsfeld. Released in the year 2000, before Bush had become president and well before the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Which among other things suggests attacking Iraq the moment there's some sort of national crisis.

                    --
                    The inverse of "I told you so" is "Nobody could have predicted"
                    • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Thursday November 12 2020, @04:54PM (1 child)

                      by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @04:54PM (#1076627) Homepage Journal

                      It's a very interesting document, but I don't see where it suggests "attacking Iraq the moment there's some sort of national crisis". The closest I see to it is this quote, from the section "Guarding the American security perimeter today – and tomorrow – will require changes in U.S. deployments and installations overseas."

                      In the Persian Gulf region, the presence of American forces, along with British and French units, has become a semipermanent fact of life. Though the immediate mission of those forces is to enforce the no-fly zones over northern and southern Iraq, they represent the long-term commitment of the United States and its major allies to a region of vital importance. Indeed, the United States has for decades sought to play a more permanent role in Gulf regional security. While the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein. In East Asia, the pattern of ...

                      Perhaps I just haven't found that advice, or perhaps it's in another document?

                      -- hendrik

                      • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday November 12 2020, @06:42PM

                        by Thexalon (636) on Thursday November 12 2020, @06:42PM (#1076680)

                        Once you take that out of bureaucracy-speak, what they're saying is that they want to control the Persian Gulf region (which, at the time meant replacing both Iraq and Iran with US-friendly governments), and they want to "resolve" the conflict with Saddam Hussein at first opportunity. Guys like this like to use technical-seeming language to advocate for monstrous acts, because it helps disguise what they're doing.

                        --
                        The inverse of "I told you so" is "Nobody could have predicted"
        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by qzm on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:20AM (6 children)

          by qzm (3260) on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:20AM (#1074545)

          He pulled out troops from all over the middle east, and started to get actual agreements between countries.
          Unlike Mr Peace Prize before him, who increased the troops and drone bombed weddings..

          He also tightened up H1B rules hugely - probably one side of why all the big tech firms (who hate paying going rate wages..) are so against him.

          You may not like him, but the fact that he actually DID things is hard to argue.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:08AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:08AM (#1074604)

            The most things.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:36AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:36AM (#1074608)

              I mark them troll, when they lie, since we have no mendacity mod.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @11:49PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @11:49PM (#1074897)

            He pulled out troops from all over the middle east, and started to get actual agreements between countries.

            And yet we're still in the 7+ wars overseas that we were in when he came into office. He could have pulled us out, but he didn't. Obama also played with the troop levels; that means nothing.

            He also tightened up H1B rules hugely - probably one side of why all the big tech firms (who hate paying going rate wages..) are so against him.

            And we also saw massive numbers of jobs exported under his administration. That never stopped.

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Monday November 09 2020, @02:20AM (2 children)

            by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Monday November 09 2020, @02:20AM (#1074950)

            Drone strikes make everyone look bad, so let's not talk about them, ok? [bbc.com]

            Like everything about Trump, what he said he did was probably a lie.

            You may not like him, but the fact that he actually DID things is hard to argue.

            What he DID was play golf. A lot of golf, and you should be angry about the amount of money that cost you. [trumpgolfcount.com]

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:40PM (11 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:40PM (#1074644)

          Sadly, not starting any new wars makes him a better President than any of the 21st century. For all the moaning about his covid response, he's probably still caused fewer deaths than either Obama or W.

          Literally, the only reason he doesn't appear to have been reelected is that he didn't lean in hard enough on the populist tones he struck in 2016. The people look at Trump and his antics, including the covid-19 response, and were still eh not sure which way to go. That's a damning indictment of how horrible Biden is going to be. The racist moron that wrote the crime bill and just expected various people of color to show up to vote for him without doing any work at all to earn those votes and just assumed that the left wing would show up to vote for him despite the fact that he was planning to stock his entire cabinet with Republicans.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:36PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:36PM (#1074724)

            Trump had dropped more bombs than Obama, and Obama dropped more than Dubya etc as nauseum.

          • (Score: 2) by Mykl on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:42PM (4 children)

            by Mykl (1112) on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:42PM (#1074835)

            For all the moaning about his covid response, he's probably still caused fewer deaths than either Obama or W.

            The entire Vietnam War claimed 58,300 US lives. COVID has already racked up over 230,000 in the US in the past 9 months. Only a fool would claim that every COVID death is Trump's fault, however conservative estimates place the number of deaths that could have been avoided if the US followed the same basic procedures as many other Western countries at approximately 90%. On that measure it's worth "moaning" about Trump's COVID response, considering it's killed 2-3 x Vietnam's body count of US soldiers.

            • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 09 2020, @03:01AM (3 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 09 2020, @03:01AM (#1074962)

              The entire Vietnam War claimed 58,300 US lives.

              The Vietnam war killed an estimated 1,353,000 people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties [wikipedia.org]

              Of course, brown and yellow lives don't matter do they? And you call republicans racist.

              • (Score: 4, Informative) by Mykl on Monday November 09 2020, @06:08AM (2 children)

                by Mykl (1112) on Monday November 09 2020, @06:08AM (#1075028)

                Of course, brown and yellow lives don't matter do they? And you call republicans racist.

                Actually that was my exact point - brown and yellow lives don't matter to Republicans (and now it seems Democrat lives don't matter to them either).

                But let's play your game anyway. Vietnam lasted for 10 years, so let's average 135,300 lives per year lost of all colors. That's 100,000 less per year than have been lost to COVID in the US alone, and we're only 9 months in.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 09 2020, @01:23PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 09 2020, @01:23PM (#1075130)

                  "The entire Vietnam War claimed 58,300 US lives."
                  You are the one claiming that only US lives matter.
                    Even if only by inference you are claiming that the other 1,295,000 people killed don't matter.

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday November 09 2020, @01:36PM

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 09 2020, @01:36PM (#1075132) Journal

                  Actually that was my exact point - brown and yellow lives don't matter to Republicans (and now it seems Democrat lives don't matter to them either).

                  I have to agree. You're the only one making that point.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by hendrikboom on Monday November 09 2020, @04:05AM (3 children)

            by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 09 2020, @04:05AM (#1074982) Homepage Journal

            What Trump failed to do was drain the swamp.

          • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Monday November 09 2020, @09:35PM

            by Thexalon (636) on Monday November 09 2020, @09:35PM (#1075349)

            Sadly, not starting any new wars makes him a better President than any of the 21st century. For all the moaning about his covid response, he's probably still caused fewer deaths than either Obama or W.

            Assuming we're making presidents all directly responsible for US military casualties during their presidency: There were a total of approximately 49,000 US combat deaths in the last 2 decades. Most of them were during the George W Bush administration due to him starting 2 wars. According to this Congressional Research Service report [fas.org], Obama's military deaths was highest in 2009 and declined throughout his presidency. Under Trump, military deaths went up shortly after he entered office and remained higher than they had been in 2016.

            And if you're talking about the civilian casualties in the areas where the US is fighting: According to the UN [un.org], there have not been significant differences in civilian casualties in Afghanistan between Obama and Trump. If you look at Iraq [iraqbodycount.org], the Obama administration killed approximately 60,000 civilians there, which is definitely more than the 19,000 or so killed under Trump, but it's also worth noting that under the Obama administration there was a war between Iraq and ISIS with Iraq getting significant support from the US and it would be pretty easy to argue that without US action ISIS casualties would have been higher, whereas by the time Trump took over ISIS was mostly a non-threat. As for Yemen, there have been substantially *more* US drone strikes there under Trump than under Obama.

            Even if you add all those up, and pretend that Trump didn't kill anybody overseas, Obama's casualties abroad still come in under the 240,000 or so Covid deaths in the US alone. And you could also make an argument that Trump's Covid (non-) response influenced similar decisions from other governments such as Brazil and the UK, which has also killed more people.

            So I'm going to have to rate this "dubious".

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by looorg on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:16PM (38 children)

      by looorg (578) on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:16PM (#1074240)

      The sooner we accept the outcome and work together for the good of the country (and of the world), the better it will be for everyone.

      That is kind of amusing. Those are not the sentiments when Dems lose. Then its hysterics and "not my president!". I wouldn't expect anything to be different now. I predict years of election fraud talk and how the "progressives" are insane.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by chewbacon on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:00PM (23 children)

        by chewbacon (1032) on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:00PM (#1074329)

        There was "#notmypresident", "We won the popular vote! Electoral isn't faaaaair!", "We're gonna impeach the fucker!" Winner always calls out the loser in a cycle that goes round and round; neither side is a graceful loser.

        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by meustrus on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:05PM (11 children)

          by meustrus (4961) on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:05PM (#1074382)

          There will always be sore losers. In recent history, though, the loser has congratulated the winner, every time. Bush Sr. did. Jimmy Carter did. Al Gore did, even in a much murkier situation when it came to which ballots were legitimate.

          But sure, there were sore losers in the electorate 4 years ago. They were completely shocked that Trump won back then, and they didn't want to believe that many people agree with him. Social media bubbles and all that. How many Trump supporters really actually didn't believe this was possible? I don't mean likely, I mean POSSIBLE.

          If there are sour grapes on the right over this election, it won't be like libs in 2016. May I remind you that all it amounted to was bitching and moaning? My fear is it would take a more "fuck the rules, 2nd amendment makes the rules now" route. We all know there are far more right-wing crazies than left-wing crazies with the will and means to attempt to overthrow the government.

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          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:22PM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:22PM (#1074393)

            Who is causing the unrest in Portland and Pennsylvania?

            Maybe you should do some research?

            • (Score: 5, Insightful) by martyb on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:53PM (1 child)

              by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:53PM (#1074418) Journal

              Who is causing the unrest in Portland and Pennsylvania?

              Trump?

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              • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @02:36AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @02:36AM (#1074507)

                So the new normal is I can do whatever the fuck I want, no matter how much it hurts people and breaks the law, and blame it on Biden. I like this new normal.

            • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:07AM

              by DeathMonkey (1380) on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:07AM (#1074454) Journal

              Who is causing the unrest in Portland and Pennsylvania?

              Definitely not the people who just kicked Trump out of office unless you include being happy but also very sleepy in that list.

          • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @02:00AM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @02:00AM (#1074491)

            Cause CHOP/CHAP was right wing?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @02:15AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @02:15AM (#1074498)

              Because anyone that's not right wing is left wing?

            • (Score: 2) by meustrus on Monday November 09 2020, @09:04PM

              by meustrus (4961) on Monday November 09 2020, @09:04PM (#1075331)

              Say what you will, but there was no CHOP/CHAP when Obama was president.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2020, @06:14AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2020, @06:14AM (#1075579)

              Geez, almost like conservatives should support police reforms instead of constantly supporting them when they murder innocent Americans. Curious, did you have any condemnations for the Bundy clan occupation of a federal building? I wait here, holding my breath, hope I don't die before you grow a spine!

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @05:22AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @05:22AM (#1074569)

            https://youtu.be/khK9fIgoNjQ?t=427 [youtu.be]

            Totally no congratulations there and both sides confirmed the phone call at the time.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:27AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:27AM (#1074605)

            That's why it's helpful to win the popular vote.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday November 09 2020, @01:49PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 09 2020, @01:49PM (#1075138) Journal

            If there are sour grapes on the right over this election, it won't be like libs in 2016. May I remind you that all it amounted to was bitching and moaning? My fear is it would take a more "fuck the rules, 2nd amendment makes the rules now" route. We all know there are far more right-wing crazies than left-wing crazies with the will and means to attempt to overthrow the government.

            I was in Albuquerque, New Mexico when Trump won in 2016. Some of the losers bitched and moaned in the middle of an interstate highway that night.

        • (Score: 5, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:41AM (10 children)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:41AM (#1074441) Journal

          Hillary Clinton conceded like a man.

          Trump's going out like a little bitch.

          • (Score: 5, Informative) by qzm on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:23AM (8 children)

            by qzm (3260) on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:23AM (#1074547)

            Ummm, what?

            She wrote a whole book on how the win was stolen from her, blaming pretty much everyone else involved on both sides.

            Win or Lose, there ARE significant indications of some very odd goings on around this election - to brush them under the carpet would be pretty damn stupid.
            Orange man good or bad, there is still due process to follow.

            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:29AM

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:29AM (#1074550) Journal

              Win or Lose, there ARE significant indications of some very odd goings on around this election

              COVID19 pandemic raging in US [worldometers.info] is good enough for yea?

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            • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:41AM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:41AM (#1074555)

              > She wrote a whole book ...

              At least Hillary wrote that book, Trump's memoir was completely ghost written (and the author later wished that he hadn't taken the job). Frankly, I doubt that Trump is capable of writing a book without major assistance, doesn't have the focus to do it.

              Note: at least one prior Hillary book, It Takes a Village, was ghost written. In that case, the excuse is that she had a full schedule as first lady during that time.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @05:41PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @05:41PM (#1074743)

                Frankly, I doubt that Trump is capable of READING a book without major assistance, doesn't have the focus to do it.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday November 09 2020, @01:52PM

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 09 2020, @01:52PM (#1075140) Journal

                At least Hillary wrote that book

                Sure.

            • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:40AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:40AM (#1074610)

              Win or Lose, there ARE significant indications of some very odd goings on around this election

              No, there are not, and for you to suggest such things means you need to be shot in the knees, have your liver removed, and your brain washed, at the very least. No, Trump lost fair and square, kind of like he did the first time. And if you have a problem with that, you can take it up with 75 Million Americans. They will not have any patience for your conspiracy theories.

            • (Score: 4, Insightful) by sjames on Sunday November 08 2020, @06:07PM

              by sjames (2882) on Sunday November 08 2020, @06:07PM (#1074755) Journal

              The only odd things going on are a sitting president trying to sabotage the USPS to limit the ability to vote absentee and then demanding that states stop counting legitimate ballots because they're not in his favor. Both of those are pretty irregular. Also a sitting president repeatedly declaring victory in spite of a clear defeat.

              None of those things suggest that Biden cheated or that anyone cheated on his behalf.

            • (Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Sunday November 08 2020, @07:45PM

              by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Sunday November 08 2020, @07:45PM (#1074783)

              Win or Lose, there ARE significant indications of some very odd goings on around this election - to brush them under the carpet would be pretty damn stupid.

              There have been odd goings on in almost every election at least since 2000. The 100,000 votes thrown out in a Florida county that averages 85% votes for Democrats in 2000, the Ohio server discrepancies in 2004, the Ohio server discrepancy that didn't happen in 2008 (and Karl Rove's meltdown on national TV when it didn't), voter suppression in every election, etc. I haven't heard of any significant indications of odd goings on this time around, just Trump's ranting that the election was fixed and the occasional here and there that someone claims they saw something, none of which has been substantiated.

              People tend to vote their party line, I think there were conservatives voted Republican down ticket but were sick of Trump and his antics and voted against him. Anyone who believes the presidency should be conducted in a dignified and respectful manner has to have been appalled by Trump.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Monday November 09 2020, @02:30AM

              by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Monday November 09 2020, @02:30AM (#1074954)

              Win or Lose, there ARE significant indications of some very odd goings on around this election

              Not yet there aren't, and when Trump's lawyers have been asked to present any evidence of any wrongdoing, they have been unable to.

              In fact the only "indications" are Trump's tweets.

          • (Score: 1) by hemocyanin on Tuesday November 10 2020, @05:00AM

            by hemocyanin (186) on Tuesday November 10 2020, @05:00AM (#1075537) Journal

            Or like Gore but whatever, recent history might get in the way of that mad dash to declare "nothing to see here, move along."

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by legont on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:31AM (11 children)

        by legont (4179) on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:31AM (#1074438)

        I already have the meme: Retard and the Bitch.

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        • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:05AM (9 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:05AM (#1074452)

          Enjoy your black lesbian president and her old white sugerdaddy.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:16AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:16AM (#1074463)

            Don't bother to tell it to me, I will.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:00AM (7 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:00AM (#1074600)

            are you trying to say that the vice president got the position due to the color of her skin?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:58PM (6 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:58PM (#1074661)

              Well, it clearly wasn't her personality or her policy positions.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @06:50PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @06:50PM (#1074768)

                By that logic Pence must have gone to his knees inside the pentagram and sucked off Der Drumpfen all to summon the rebirth of jesus.

                Conservatives have become reeeeallllly weird.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @08:53PM (4 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @08:53PM (#1074817)

                It's because she's a cop - woman and non-white are just extra points. I'm honestly surprised conservatives don't like her, as her resume shows a heavily authoritarian bent.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 09 2020, @07:58AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 09 2020, @07:58AM (#1075058)

                  Quota hire.

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday November 09 2020, @01:58PM

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 09 2020, @01:58PM (#1075141) Journal

                  I'm honestly surprised conservatives don't like her, as her resume shows a heavily authoritarian bent.

                  What's a conservative here? Some people, for example, lump libertarians in with conservatives. But the former won't ever like that "heavily authoritarian bent" by definition.

                • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday November 10 2020, @02:17AM (1 child)

                  Progressives love authoritarian policies. They just want to write the policies. The only ones who don't are libertarians.

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2020, @06:19AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2020, @06:19AM (#1075582)

                    Widdle birdie boo is pooping out his mouth, someone get him a birdie mask!

        • (Score: 1, Troll) by DeathMonkey on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:49AM

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:49AM (#1074539) Journal

          Retard and the Bitch.

          One got a bunch of us killed and the other wasn't as nice to you as you think you're owed.

          I agree with Hillary more and more as time goes on....

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by unhandyandy on Sunday November 08 2020, @02:11AM (1 child)

        by unhandyandy (4405) on Sunday November 08 2020, @02:11AM (#1074495)

        "Not My President" started when Obama was elected.

        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:48AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:48AM (#1074557)

          "Don't blame me, I'm from Massachusetts" started after Nixon was elected in '72, and got good traction during Watergate a couple of years later.
          https://archive.is/plKoo [archive.is] [Boston Globe]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:33PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:33PM (#1074262)

      We will come together only in the graveyards, after we slaughter one another. Whomsoever conquers this continent next will amusedly permit the survivors' descendants to vent their frustrations by taking turns pulling down the monuments to each others' dead, in between their scheduled toil in servitude.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @09:11PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @09:11PM (#1074299)

        Hey! That sounds straight out of the Book of Mormon! Are you a Nephite, or a Lamanite? And what happened with the White Horse's Ass Prophecy, anyway?

        • (Score: 5, Touché) by DannyB on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:05PM (2 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:05PM (#1074332) Journal

          Isn't Trump a white horse's ass?

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:11AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:11AM (#1074523)

            Color is irrelevant in this case.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:42AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:42AM (#1074611)

            Was supposed to be Romney. Did not work out so well, as many of the Prophet's prophecies do. The one about how in the future, all Mormons would have flying buggies? And unlimited wives? Neither of those worked out.

        • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Monday November 09 2020, @04:08AM

          by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 09 2020, @04:08AM (#1074984) Homepage Journal

          Is it actually out of the Book of Mormon?

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Saturday November 07 2020, @09:00PM (4 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Saturday November 07 2020, @09:00PM (#1074290) Journal

      Good writeup and thanks for manning the desk.

      I get the impression this place is automated over the weekend so thanks for popping in.

      • (Score: 2) by martyb on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:11AM

        by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:11AM (#1074426) Journal

        Good writeup and thanks for manning the desk.

        Thank you! I look at it as a privileged to serve the community. Many more thanks go to the rest of the editorial team!

        There's no way to give split credit on a story, so here's a hat tip to janrinok helped out on this story... thanks JR!

        (While I'm at it, kudos to fnord666 who just reached 5,800 stories [soylentnews.org] — thanks so much!)

        I get the impression this place is automated over the weekend so thanks for popping in.

        No more than any other day.

        Each story is selected from the submissions queue, reviewed/edited against the site's guidelines, and pushed out to the story queue with a release date and time.

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      • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday November 08 2020, @08:00AM (2 children)

        by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 08 2020, @08:00AM (#1074592) Journal

        Automated? - no chance. It's a 7/7 job, although with lots of editors nobody should have to be here every day, as long as somebody is here. We can pre-load the queues if we have enough suitable material available on a Friday, but for things like this somebody has to be around. It takes 2 editors to release a story correctly.

        With only a handful of active editors - it's the same names. Look at the authors for each story.

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        • (Score: 0, Troll) by aristarchus on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:46AM (1 child)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:46AM (#1074612) Journal

          Maybe if the editors, I don't know, accepted more of the communities submissions? Instead of their own biased view of what should be on the front page? Oh, sorry, I forgot who I am responding to! Yes! More STEM! Salaciousness, Termerity, Eridition, and Machination. That is what we all want!

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          • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:43PM

            by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:43PM (#1074645) Journal

            Every posted story is a community submission - not every community submission is a publishable story though...

            Maybe if certain submitters followed the guidelines instead of complaining then they would have more success - but you won't do that, will you? E.g [soylentnews.org]. "Be neutral and factual in both Subject and Summary. You can wait until the article is posted or, if you must, include your opinion clearly marked as opinion at the end of the Summary"

            It is also worth bearing in mind, from the same link in the paragraph above: "We aim for around 70% technology and science stories with the remainder being a mix of content with general interest to our community. Unusual stories with a technical theme have a very good chance of being published whereas something obscure and of limited appeal to our community is unlikely to make the front page."

            Put any topic you like in your journal - you can discuss anything you want there. We only edit those stories for which we are here to edit - namely, those that go on the front page. This site is much bigger than just the front page.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:25PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:25PM (#1074641)

      Lol. You are corrupt, untrustworthy, unfunny, unintelligent and malicious. No deal.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @06:40PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @06:40PM (#1074763)

      "The sooner we accept the outcome and work together for the good of the country (and of the world), the better it will be for everyone."

      Your "country" is a delusion. Family, and by extension, race, is my only country. Any White person who funds the Jew-owned government services corporation, known as the USA, is criminally negligent. The long lost America's greatness was due to White homogeneity. This fracturing and failure is due to miscegenation and multiculturalism just like all White nations that crumbled before, when they brought in slaves or spread their borders without expelling the inhabitants, and kept, bred with, and gave political standing to, the conquered.

      We need to balkanize along racial and philosophical/party lines already.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @08:55PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @08:55PM (#1074818)

        Aww little incel is scared of the BBC.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @10:05PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @10:05PM (#1074842)

          I felt a disturbance in the Force, as if tens of thousands of Trump-supporting man-children cried out in pain from their mother's basements and then were suddenly silenced. I feel as though something wonderful has happened.

      • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Monday November 09 2020, @02:44PM

        by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 09 2020, @02:44PM (#1075157) Homepage Journal

        I thought it was China that owned the USA.

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