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President Trump has accused former President Obama of... something:
In a string of tweets posted early Saturday morning, President Trump let loose a barrage of accusations at his predecessor. He alleged that former President Obama had his "wires tapped" in Trump Tower before Election Day last year, accusing Obama of "McCarthyism" and being a "bad (or sick) guy."
Trump, who is under significant scrutiny for his administration's contacts with Russia before he took office, offered no evidence to support his claims Saturday morning. Neither the White House nor Obama's office has responded immediately to NPR's requests for comment.
[...] Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 4, 2017
Also at WaPo, NYT, Reuters, Fox News, BBC, and Snopes, which hints that it may be related to this story.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Monday March 06 2017, @12:16AM (10 children)
I appreciate your successful efforts to educate me a little. I don't appreciate the fallacy of concluding that I'm completely ignorant of Trump's views merely because I hadn't heard of this item.
You're welcome.
You make a good point. I did lay the the mockery on a bit thick in my reply to you. However, Trump's utter lack of regard or respect for anyone (or anything) but himself isn't anything new. As I pointed out in another thread [soylentnews.org], I am rather depressed by the lack of interest or knowledge of even recent history by too many.
While you do tend to be both combative and hyperbolic, perhaps my annoyance with a more generalized lack of knowledge about recent history led me to be unduly harsh.
I offer my apologies, Khallow.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 06 2017, @07:12AM
While you do tend to be both combative and hyperbolic, perhaps my annoyance with a more generalized lack of knowledge about recent history led me to be unduly harsh.
Username checks out.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday March 06 2017, @07:44AM (8 children)
I offer my apologies, Khallow.
OH MY FSM, do not do that! It will only encourage him! He has learned nothing, he has only been proven, once again, of many times, to be factually in error! and it is not a mistake! khallow gets things wrong on purpose! I used to think he was just stupid, but then he confessed he has a terminal degree. Unfortunately it is one of those degrees that requires very little actual thinking. So when we can call out his duplicity, his two-facedness, his perfidy and perversity, we should just do it. No apologies necessary. No walking it back, the accusations are deserved. Do not let khallow become our own SoylentNews Trump. Just don't let it happen.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday March 06 2017, @08:14AM (7 children)
I offer my apologies, Khallow.
OH MY FSM, do not do that! It will only encourage him! He has learned nothing, he has only been proven, once again, of many times, to be factually in error! and it is not a mistake! khallow gets things wrong on purpose! I used to think he was just stupid, but then he confessed he has a terminal degree. Unfortunately it is one of those degrees that requires very little actual thinking. So when we can call out his duplicity, his two-facedness, his perfidy and perversity, we should just do it. No apologies necessary. No walking it back, the accusations are deserved. Do not let khallow become our own SoylentNews Trump. Just don't let it happen.
I understand your point of view. I have to disagree, however. Khallow was correct that his ignorance of the full-page ads taken out by L'Orange doesn't mean he's completely ignorant of Cheeto Jesus and his ways. Since I'm not a complete asshole, I can, and will, admit when I'm wrong. In this case, I erroneously tarred Khallow with a broad brush. I was wrong, and I'm not afraid to admit it.
That said, Khallow often spouts complete bullshit, with no regard for facts, ethics or respect for his fellow humans. I have no issue calling him (or anyone else, including you) out, and I'm sure he'll provide an opportunity for me to do so in the near term.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Monday March 06 2017, @08:30AM (6 children)
Ah, NotSanguine, you are either a far better human than I, or you have less experience with The Khallow, as I suggest we refer to him from now on. I sincerely hope your faith in humanity is confirmed. But as I said, bad faith will out, eventually. I have long tarred khallow with not only a brush, but the "tar-baby" of global warming. I think he is still stuck.
(Score: 2, Funny) by khallow on Tuesday March 07 2017, @10:08PM (5 children)
you are either a far better human than I
Choice A, right there. I want to point out an argument that the earlier AC made [soylentnews.org] in this thread:
He's always been a buffoon who was insulated from his fuckups by being born into money.
Everybody knew about his multiple bankruptcies with the airline and casinos.
Everybody knew about how he took out full page ads in major new york newspaper calling for innocent black teens to get the death penalty.
Everybody knew how he was a caricature of rich people wanting to put his name on everything, live in a gold-plated palace and scream "your fired" at people he didn't like.
Here's [soylentnews.org] another AC argument:
He seems to be continuing Bush's and Obama's unconstitutional mass surveillance of the populace. That's strike one and you're out. But he also doesn't show any signs of scrapping the TSA, doesn't want to shut down Gitmo, has supported asset forfeiture, has supported the drug war, and has appointed numerous corrupt people to positions of power. Trump has already proven himself to be garbage, just like Obama and Bush did, and he did so almost immediately. Doing the occasional good thing (scrapping the TPP) does not make up for continuing the previous policies of violating our fundamental liberties. To me, if a politician violates the Constitution, that is treason; they are nearly all traitors.
This is what real argument looks like, aristarchus. It's not pointless and unsupported ad hominems you consistently apply against me or the other variety of fallacies you commonly employ elsewhere. In addition to the above post, we have three others to date:
OH MY FSM, do not do that! It will only encourage him! He has learned nothing, he has only been proven, once again, of many times, to be factually in error! and it is not a mistake! khallow gets things wrong on purpose! I used to think he was just stupid, but then he confessed he has a terminal degree. Unfortunately it is one of those degrees that requires very little actual thinking. So when we can call out his duplicity, his two-facedness, his perfidy and perversity, we should just do it. No apologies necessary. No walking it back, the accusations are deserved. Do not let khallow become our own SoylentNews Trump. Just don't let it happen.
khallow, obviously it was an obvious rebuttal of your rather idiotic dismissal of Trump's request for his Russian Minions to hack the DNC and Hilary as merely being sarcasm! Oh, the person claiming sarcasm on the part of the Drumfuerer, does not understand sarcasm in response? I am once again totally dumbfounded by your disingenuity, khallow. How much lower can you sink? Hitler did some good? Moussolini make the trains run on time? Vlad did not impale everyone, you know.
Well, one for sure, the one that doesn't think that Trump is quite insane. C'mon, khallow! Darth Cheetos can't tell the difference from an NSA tap, which you never find out about, and a Russian tap! In fact, is not "Russian Tap" just another term for "golden shower"?
Notice that every single one of your posts in this discussion are mere baiting of myself - mentioning me by name and then hurling empty insults.
Elsewhere you have demonstrated a considerable mendacity. For example, much of your rhetoric is based around the pretense that you are knowledgeable while your foes are ignorant or as above deceptive. I even made a post [soylentnews.org] about this conceit which includes three examples of you berating others for ignorance even though in one case, the other poster knew more than you did. In that case where you were more ignorant, you even turned your ignorance into a classic fallacy of argument from ignorance in there where you argue [soylentnews.org]
Are you really going to try to downplay corruption just because it had an unknown effect
Is this an actual question? How can it be corruption if it had no effect? Or a counter-corrupting effect? All you are saying is that you don't know. You are saying nothing. By trying to make it seem like I am saying something, you are still saying nothing. What was the algorithm the Clinton campaign used? Oh, you don't know? Was it corrupt? Maybe, you don't know. Was it inaccurate on predictions? Obviously. Why? You don't know.
Or mixing [soylentnews.org] a little argument from authority fallacy in with your ad hominem:
But we cannot debate climate change, because there is no debate. It is obvious to everyone that the denier position is only a facade, dependent on the demand to prove a negative, and committed to preserving the profits of the petrochemical industry.
Then there's the time you accused me [soylentnews.org] of being off-topic in order to dismiss my argument.
You would be better served in this discussion to pay attention to the examples [examples by me of how climate change mitigation wasn't an improving of the world as a prior poster had claimed] I gave.
Why, oh why, Fluffy khallow? This is a thread about butterflies and science, not your bizarre obsession with alternative energy and progressives and the communists putting something in our water. You have already thread-jacked enough, khallow. Please stop.
While it's a legitimate fact that I was off-topic, it ignores that I was responding to an off topic claim about the efficacy of climate change mitigation in making a better world. And is anyone surprised, aristarchus that you are concerned about off topic stuff only when you want to bother someone? All four cases I quoted above in this discussion are at best tenuously linked to the story (by occasionally mentioning Trump and his supposed foibles). Where's your supposed interest in on topic discussion now?
I'll finish this post with a prediction. I predicted a 60% chance that you'll emoragequit (with "quitting" being anywhere from hours to permanently) some point in the next two years, with some pretentious rationalizing for why you've chosen to play the fool for a few years (playing us for fools, disappointed in the bigotry of SN users, gotten bored with the game, tired of "teaching" us, whatever). Being aristarchus has to be wearing even on the days where all you do is post a few insults and you don't seem the type to go quietly.
As to your "tar baby" [soylentnews.org] strategy, I will spend some time on SN no matter what. Discussing your posts tends to be relatively low effort even when I'm extensively google-mongering as I am now. It's good practice for real arguments.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday March 07 2017, @11:14PM (4 children)
Notice that every single one of your posts in this discussion are mere baiting of myself - mentioning me by name and then hurling empty insults.
And did you notice that it works every. single. time? What is your point, khallow? Are you bucking for a slot in the Trump administration? Do you have Marxists under your bed? I predict that you, my dear and fluffy khallow, will learn some things in the next couple of years. But my predictions have a very bad track record.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday March 07 2017, @11:53PM (3 children)
And did you notice that it works every. single. time?
Define "works".
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday March 08 2017, @08:19AM (2 children)
And you think that I think that I am smarter than you? O, the obvious irony!! Seriously, khallow, sometimes I think that you have no idea what our little talks here on SoylentNews are actually about.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 08 2017, @01:14PM (1 child)
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday March 09 2017, @02:31AM
One more time, khallow! I have confidence that you can get it! Just reply to this post. That is all you have to do.