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posted by takyon on Monday March 27 2017, @10:48AM   Printer-friendly
from the drupal-gored dept.

Drupal founder Dries Buytaert expelled Larry "Crell" Garfield from the Drupal community (archive) for his involvement in the BDSM community. Garfield claims this was done at the demand of Drupal Security team member Klaus "klausi" Purer and unknown others secretly pressuring Drupal leadership to have him removed for his private sex life.

takyon: From Larry's response:

I am involved in two such communities, specifically the BDSM community and the Gorean (Gor) community. The former is by far the larger of the two and more varied, although I spend more of my time and activity in the Gorean community. It's a small community, and sadly much of what is found online about it is utter crap, just as most in the BDSM community find the "50 Shades" representation of BDSM to be harmfully misleading. The Gorean subculture is inspired by a science-fiction book series written from the 1960s onward to today, and predicated on a strong sense of personal honor, integrity, and community. It also practices consensual Master/slave relationships, and has a strong gender bias toward male-Dom/female-sub relationships, but that is not the cornerstone of Gorean culture. There are other groups that are biased the other way, or have no gender bias. There are even groups in Chicago (where I live) that have regular "fem-dom" parties. To each their own.

It's the same Gor that was adapted into two films, one of which appeared on an episode of Mystery Science Theater 3000.


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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 27 2017, @07:44PM (4 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 27 2017, @07:44PM (#484820) Journal
    I don't have a problem with most of your post. But here:

    I've been called, get this, "whore-phobic" for wanting the Nordic Model (or to be more precise, a sensical, reasoned version of it that doesn't accidentally enable pimps).

    You can't get rid of pimps. If you look elsewhere in the entertainment industry, there are all sorts of supervisor/support personnel such as managers, producers, book agents, editors, etc who perform the same roles that pimps do in the prostitution industry. The huge difference is that those other industries are legal and hence subject to a variety of regulations that usually prevent the sort of dysfunctional relationships that pimps are infamous for.

    My view is that having and enforcing normal workplace rules will eliminate virtually all of the problems that pimps are known for.

  • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Monday March 27 2017, @10:21PM (3 children)

    by MostCynical (2589) on Monday March 27 2017, @10:21PM (#484914) Journal

    Insightful and reasonable.
    Unfortunately, there seems to be a weird dichotomy for "small government" types - where regulation exists, and seems to work, it is wanted. Where it doesn't yet exist, or isn't working (and in both cases, someone is being explioted, or someone is 'missing out'), they complain about they don't want the regulation.

    I don't think you can keep everyone happy. Trying to keep *most* people safe and free of exploitation is noble, but also likely to fail, especially if the sorts of people at Drupal keep acting like this.

    --
    "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 27 2017, @10:55PM (2 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 27 2017, @10:55PM (#484928) Journal

      Unfortunately, there seems to be a weird dichotomy for "small government" types - where regulation exists, and seems to work, it is wanted. Where it doesn't yet exist, or isn't working (and in both cases, someone is being explioted, or someone is 'missing out'), they complain about they don't want the regulation.

      What's weird about it? You seem to be saying where regulation is proven to work, then "small government" types are for it. And where it's not proven to work, then they aren't. Doesn't seem weird to me, but I'm probably not getting your point.

      I don't think you can keep everyone happy. Trying to keep *most* people safe and free of exploitation is noble, but also likely to fail, especially if the sorts of people at Drupal keep acting like this.

      Drupal is its own reward. When the organization is more concerned about weird crap like this than delivering useful code, it's well on its way to becoming irrelevant. It's not that hard to come up with replacement organizations to replace Drupal. Nor is it that hard to leave Drupal, especially if there's a boot print on your tail bone.

      • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Tuesday March 28 2017, @12:19AM (1 child)

        by MostCynical (2589) on Tuesday March 28 2017, @12:19AM (#484945) Journal

        Either the free market is free, so companies can hire and fire at will, or regulation is needed.
        "You can't fire (or not hire) based on skin colour, repigion, etc etc"
        "You can't hire ( " ) based on sexual preferences"
        ..
        Where does it stop?
        For a true "small governement" proponent, step one: free to hire, fire, descriminate, exploit, at will. Free means employees can go elsewhere, right?
        Companies can also collude, pollute, avoid tax (tax is theft, after all)
        Some regulation? Just a little bit pregnant?

        More on topic, Drupal deserves to shrivel up and blow away.

        --
        "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday March 28 2017, @12:40AM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday March 28 2017, @12:40AM (#484960) Journal
          Ok, not really seeing the point of the post. "Small government" means some government. So they already grant the need for regulation and taxes which deals with most of your concerns. And the Drupal situation indicates that low barrier to entry (a thing helped by the small government approach) is a counter to irrational discrimination in hiring and public association.