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What is “lunch shaming?” It happens when a child can’t pay a school lunch bill.
In Alabama, a child short on funds was stamped on the arm with “I Need Lunch Money.” In some schools, children are forced to clean cafeteria tables in front of their peers to pay the debt. Other schools require cafeteria workers to take a child’s hot food and throw it in the trash if he doesn’t have the money to pay for it.
In what its supporters say is the first such legislation in the country, New Mexico has outlawed shaming children whose parents are behind on school lunch payments.
Source: The New York Times
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When I met th'POPE back in '58, I scrubbed him with a MILD SOAP or
DETERGENT for 15 minutes. He seemed to enjoy it ...
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @06:33PM (43 children)
Give them free lunch, but shame them if they throw food away.
How did we become so mean, narrow-minded?
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @06:42PM (42 children)
If you're going to put a gun to my head, then you can pay for your own fucking kid; I'll do everything possible to shame you.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @06:50PM (31 children)
It's not "your kid", it's "our kids", selfish jackass. It's your sort that we can't have a decent healthcare.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @06:59PM (29 children)
Firstly, people are refusing to take on their own self-imposed responsibility (reproduction isn't an airborne disease).
Secondly, people like you are threatening me with violence unless I hand over resources to subsidize the irresponsible existence of the people.
Not only is that a recipe for disaster in terms of incentives, but that's quite possibly the most outlandishly selfish way to approach life.
It's your sort who make it impossible to have a civilized society; the very foundation of your solution is uncivilized: Robbery.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:05PM (15 children)
The kids are already born and grew up to teenage. Let's fuck them over so "they" won't have more kids.
You're the boomers' poster child.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:11PM (14 children)
How is it possible that you cannot perceive the Olympic-sized hypocrisy of your position? (see subject lines)
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:16PM (13 children)
See subject, selfish jackass. It's not "you" paying for "me", it's "we" contributing together for the greater benefit for the whole.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:37PM (12 children)
Contributions are given voluntarily.
If a mugger steals your cash, it doesn't matter that he gives it to an orphanage; that's still robbery.
Your position is based solely on religious magic: You've blessed this one robber who calls himself "government", defining his theft as being "contribution"—and then you are surprised there are so many people who are upset about it!
That "contribution" or "taxation" is actually a very ancient, barbaric, uncivilized idea: Tribute paid to the local strong man.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:58PM (3 children)
We have this thing called voting. You should try sometime.
Don't like it? Go to Somalia. You don't have to vote there, there is no government. Go there and live "free."
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @08:08PM (2 children)
Somalia is the result of a failed State, one ruled by a single-party government based on "scientific" socialism.
That culture of coercion failed; is it surprising that such a culture resulted in a bunch of warlords, which are just simple, explicit forms of government?
In short, the situation in Somalia has very little to do with freedom, libertarianism, capitalism etc., with one exception: A much freer environment for commerce actually gave way to huge gains in the quality of life for the local population, despite the coercion of warlord governments. That free trade has no produced so much more wealth, that it is becoming possible for another parasitic attempt to form a "national" government.
Try again.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @08:21PM (1 child)
You are a teenager, ain't you? If so, then keep it up - I suppose we need your sorts, too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10 2017, @03:46PM
Actually I'm pretty sure this troll is TMB. Explains why he's soon butthurt all the time, people shit on his bad ideas and he's so upset he can't even admit it.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Sunday April 09 2017, @10:21PM (7 children)
Contributions are given voluntarily.
That's right. And as someone who lives within the borders of a nation-state that has determined (by the voluntary approval of its denizens [wikipedia.org]) to enter into a contract (here in the US, we call it the constitution) that delegates decision-making authority [wikipedia.org] at "multiple [wikipedia.org] levels [wikipedia.org] to folks who are periodically returned to or replaced in those positions (we call that elections, BTW). What's more, when there are things of major import to the whole of the nation-state, we require broad support (3/4 of state legislatures and 2/3 majorities in both houses of Congress) before those can be implemented. We call that amending the constitution. Or, in your parlance, negotiating changes to the contract.
The result is a broad culture and system of voluntary contractual agreements among the residents of the United States. Don't like the contracts? Make an effort to modify them or go somewhere else.
Interestingly, it was negotiated changes that imposed the "theft" you mention. What's more, 43 of the 50 states have their own version of "theft" as well. If there was a large backlash against such "theft" it would have been widely repealed long ago.
As Oliver Wendell Holmes put it:
I like paying taxes. With it, I buy civilization.
If a mugger steals your cash, it doesn't matter that he gives it to an orphanage; that's still robbery.
Your position is based solely on religious magic: You've blessed this one robber who calls himself "government", defining his theft as being "contribution"—and then you are surprised there are so many people who are upset about it!
That "contribution" or "taxation" is actually a very ancient, barbaric, uncivilized idea: Tribute paid to the local strong man.
Except the parties to the contract (the constitution) have agreed that such taxation is appropriate. If you do not wish to be party to that contract, GTFO.
Why do you hate America?
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by migz on Monday April 10 2017, @07:18AM (6 children)
I was born into apartheid South Africa. I never agreed to that.
Was it right that I was born a slave to laws I never chose? Don't tell me that government is voluntary.
I have seen with my own eyes the barbarism of government theft and oppression.
Perhaps you should not be so quick to tell others how they have voluntarily chosen to support the government of the country into which they have been born.
That contract that you so lovingly use as justification for taxation, exists because of unwanted taxation by the government at the time. Why don't you GTFO, and leave America to it's rightful government - Great Britain? (Tongue firmly in cheek - with pointing)
Btw. I agree 100% that poor kids should get free lunch, but also disagree 100% that taxpayers should foot the bill.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10 2017, @05:06PM (2 children)
> I was born into apartheid South Africa. I never agreed to that.
You seem to still believe that apartheid is democracy.
I guess you didn't really learn your lesson there.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10 2017, @06:53PM (1 child)
How do you explain the Japanese Internment camps in the United States, smart guy? How about Jim Crow laws, instituting racial segregation in the South?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 11 2017, @02:47AM
If you insist on perfection you will only get failure.
All of those things you list were consitutional violations.
It happens because a democratic government is necessarily composed of imperfect humans.
That doesn't invalidate the social contract of a democracy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10 2017, @07:33PM
But frequently, we need to choose to violate one your two points. So, better that poor kids starve or taxpayers pay for them?
(Score: 2) by meustrus on Monday April 10 2017, @08:06PM (1 child)
Yeah, that's what everyone wants. Free stuff from nowhere. And if you don't think too hard about it, your friend Trump will be glad to tell you how he's going to give it to you.
It's thinking like this that lead to our current situation: tax cut after tax cut for the already wealthy, while politicians get to whine and moan about welfare being too expensive while never actually getting off their asses to do anything about it.
If there isn't at least one reference or primary source, it's not +1 Informative. Maybe the underused +1 Interesting?
(Score: 2) by migz on Tuesday April 11 2017, @06:02AM
I never said anything about free stuff from nowhere. I just said taxpayers should not pay for things. Tax is not a willing contribution. Start an NGO that provides school lunches, and I would gladly contribute. However my effective 65% tax makes me feel fairly stingy ATM. And nobody at any of my (government) schools ever received free lunches from the government nor anyone else.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by mojo chan on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:19PM (1 child)
Okay, here's the deal AC. If you don't want to pay anything towards other people's kids that's fine, but you don't get to benefit from them either. In 30 years time, no doctors under the age of 48 for you. Your pension can't be invested in any companies started by people under 48. You get the picture.
And no turning your own kids into slaves either. You don't want to contribute, you do without.
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(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:29PM
Your entire understanding of "contributing" is "giving resources to this one organization that calls itself 'government' under threat of violence for noncompliance".
What a disgusting, uncivilized, ancient world view.
This is how you really contribute to society: You engage in voluntary interaction, exchanging resources with others according agreement, not coercion.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:37PM (9 children)
why doesn't your crowd approve of abortion and contraceptives, then?
Or is having sex for free without paying some escort, or getting a religous fucking license, also against your ethos?
Many people are forced to have children due to the laws republicans put into place; then they are punished for having them. People like you are of no help to the problem of big government where it should not have been to begin with, which causes problems like this which suddenly not a role for the government to deal with. If there is responsibility to be had, it should fall onto the shoulders of those that prevented the freedom of choice to begin with, and that they should be required to pay for the choices made for those that have the children they otherwise the 'poor and irresponsible' parents might not have opted to keep.
Yeah all kids and people are great or something that the republicans say, but they also try to destroy them as people at an early age, to get them to understand their place in a rich person's world.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:44PM (2 children)
You have no idea what my position is on that topic, and you're just trying to sink my position based on some other argument that you've both brought in from nowhere and also fabricated.
Try again.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @08:19PM (1 child)
And yet you didn't actually deny that those are your positions.
You aren't fooling anyone.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @09:14PM
that's right -- it was a safe assumption to make. i dont know the position this person has on those other topics. but i didnt get my ideas from nowhere. i've seen it take place over and over to know what it looks like.
(Score: 1, Redundant) by fliptop on Sunday April 09 2017, @08:38PM (5 children)
Please, show me the law that forces people to procreate.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @09:06PM
Please, show me the law that forces people to procreate.
It's called the power law https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.cfm?abstractid=961842 [ssrn.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @09:07PM (3 children)
Please, show me the law that forces people to procreate.
Hello?
Its a law of nature. Procreation is the single defining principle of life.
There is literally no force greater in the human experience.
Someone who thinks defying the most fundamental biological drive is a plausible option for anything is so woefully out of touch with what it means to be alive that his own humanity is in doubt.
Skynet, is that you?
(Score: 2) by fliptop on Sunday April 09 2017, @09:18PM (1 child)
And I'm pretty sure the Republicans didn't write that law.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @09:40PM
You are right. They did not.
Instead the GOP passed the punitive laws that apply to people who are the result of procreation.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @10:35PM
There is literally no force greater in the human experience.
Clearly you have never spent time with a woman who is addicted to Sex In The City. Now that is a force to be reckoned with.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10 2017, @02:37AM
Yes. Also, if you fail to hand over resources to bomb Syria and to bail out banks and many other things.
I'm pretty sure the existence of a civilization that functions like that (actually, many civilizations) disproves your "impossible" assertion.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:36PM
I'm sorry, you're right, that was an insensitive thing for me to say. I'm in a bad mood. I've been looking at pictures of Ayn Rand and Donald Trump all day, trying to get aroused and it's just not happening.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:11PM (7 children)
If you're going to put a gun to my head, then you can pay for your own fucking kid; I'll do everything possible to shame you.
Except you're not shaming the parents, you're shaming the child, who has zero control over the situation.
How about we put you in jail for your mom's unpaid parking tickets?
Better yet, let's imprison (or execute, your choice, because freedom is all about choice), you, your wife and your kids for your parents failure to pay their HOA fees on time. Given your attitude, I imagine you'd support that, no?
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:23PM (6 children)
Maybe it's important that the child learn that he's existing in a shameful way; maybe he'll grow up thinking "I'm NEVER gonna put my kid in this position."
On top of that, the stamp is a message for the parents; a parent is going to receive the message, whether by reading it or getting lip from the child—Daddy is going to have to confront the fact that he's stealing his son's money to pay for drinks at the local pub.
Hell, how do you know that the child isn't pocketing his money for weed or whatever?
Man, you people are myopic. Expand your view of human nature.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:34PM (4 children)
Hell, how do you know that the child isn't pocketing his money for weed or whatever?
And there it is.
Poor black kids in 3rd grade are smoking weed with welfare money.
And don't even try to pretend that wasn't the stereotype you were invoking.
You are so transparent everybody can see your shit before you even start to squat.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:40PM (3 children)
Also, it's a straw man; it doesn't attack the principle in general.
Try again.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @09:36PM (2 children)
Funny how its ok for YOU to get all emotional, screaming about enforcing welfare at a point of a gun and invoking the ugliest racial stereotypes.
When someone points out how emotional and vapid your arguments are, all you can do is whine that they are being emotional.
Silly little hypocrite, tricks are for kids!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @10:20PM (1 child)
Government decides it's going to start paying for every child's lunch, and is going to do so with my money; if I don't comply, I'm going to be thrown into a cage (or worse, depending upon how well I try to defend myself).
That's not emotional; that's factual.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @10:54PM
'Bout damn time, too! A cage is too good for such treasonous freeloaders such as yourself. We are coming to take your money, and give it to "disadvantaged urban youth"! Ha! How do you like those apples! And they we are going to take money you have not even made yet, and we are going to pay for health care for veterans! Oww, that must burn! And after all that, we are going to take the rest of your money, and spend it on the Arts: you know, Opera, Sculpture, NPR. As others have said, if you don't like it, GTFO. We own you! We might just have to nationalize your ass if we find ourselves in an actually shooting war, and if you fucking die, and loose ALL your money, well, it sucks to be you. But at least the little school kids will get some hot lunch.
(Score: 2) by dry on Monday April 10 2017, @02:48AM
Or perhaps the neighbourhood bullies stole the kids lunch. Now on top of feeling like a piece of shit for being bullied, he also gets to feel like a piece of shit for no longer having lunch money.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:14PM
My fetid little friend wants to make a certain kind of tadpole soup in that rancid hole of yours.
Get it yet?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:25PM
"We're coming for your capital gains, Chuck!"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @06:44PM (23 children)
You should've selected wealthy parents!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:04PM (5 children)
How about the parents driving Escalades, Hummers, MBZs, and BMWs who have their kids on the free lunch program and welfare?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:12PM (2 children)
Those parents pay tax just like others. Why shouldn't their kids get the same benefit?
Everyone pays, and everyone should benefit.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:51PM (1 child)
So, what is your point?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @08:30PM
Warren Buffet's grandsons get the same free lunch, just as kids with single moms busting balls to support their families, because the single moms pay tax just like Buffet. There is no shame, no sense of superiority, no sense of inferiority, at least as far as school lunch is concerned.
That is the point.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @10:10PM
There's also the other side of the fence... Welfare families spending their welfare check on drugs and beer while the kids don't have milk in the fridge. Trying to help them get a job results in "Why do you work when you could collect welfare like me?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10 2017, @01:29AM
How about the parents driving Escalades, Hummers, MBZs, and BMWs who have their kids on the free lunch program and welfare?
Yeah, that's definitely the common case.
We should totally design policy based on that.
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:05PM (8 children)
If your parents cannot even feed you, then they should not be your parents;
Put these kids in foster homes, or construct a robust governmental orphanage with uniforms, discipline, built-in schooling and vocational training.
You want to live on my dime, then you live by my rules!
(Score: 3, Touché) by NotSanguine on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:13PM (1 child)
Are you offering to be a foster parent?
No? Then your opinion as to how children should be raised is irrelevant.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:27PM
Clearly his argument is invalidated because he's not performing the function you defined.
Want to raise taxes? Are you going to go out there with the gun and threaten people who don't pay? No? Then fuck off.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @08:12PM (2 children)
> You want to live on my dime, then you live by my rules!
And for contributing that single thin dime you get exactly one dime's worth of say in what those rules should be.
In other words, you've been outvoted.
Democracy, bitch!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @10:22PM (1 child)
One group telling another group what to do, under pain of violence for noncompliance.
Coercion is a barbaric, uncivilized, ancient system for organizing society.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10 2017, @12:57AM
Coercion is a barbaric, uncivilized, ancient system for organizing society.
What a stupid and uneducated thing to say! Consider the "Life of Brian", Dungeon Scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8EI7p2p1QJI [youtube.com]
Pertinent part of the dialogue:
"BEN: Now, take my case. They hung me up here five years ago. Every night, they take me down for twenty minutes, then they hang me up again, which I regard as very fair, in view of what I done, and, if nothing else, it's taught me to respect the Romans, and it's taught me... that you'll never get anywhere in this life, unless you're prepared to do a fair day's work for a fair day's pay! "
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 09 2017, @08:33PM
Do you have any idea what kind of a festering hellhole of abuse, deprivation, and sex trafficking the foster system is? If you would wish that on any child, I can only hope *you* get reincarnated poor, and hopefully female and black, to a single mother, who tosses you out for being gay, and you end up "in the system." There is a reason social workers have such a high suicide rate.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2, Touché) by charon on Monday April 10 2017, @04:51AM (1 child)
Seriously, I have an absolutely 100% sincere question. What is stopping you from moving to Galt's Gulch, or Taxprotestia, or whatever you guys decide to name your land of the free? Upthread you mentioned Somalia was a bad example because there are scary warlords, socialism, and a failed state there. So what's keeping you people who didn't agree to be taxed (sorry, "stolen from at the point of a gun") from getting together and buying a nice tropical island where you can enter into free contracts with each other and not have to surrender a red cent for the common weal?
Wouldn't you guys just fucking love to make us nay-sayers eat crow when Libertarianania is kicking our asses economically? So, hop to it; time's a wasting.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10 2017, @06:48PM
Because they're full of shit and they know it. Their libertarian dream only works with the resources society has created so far. They don't want to put in the hard work and create a functioning society, they just want to bootstrap off the existing one to suit their own ideologies. How do you pay for firemen and police? Only the rich would be protected since only they could finance the tens of thousands of dollars it would cost per incident. Only the rich could call the police, for most people it would cost more to file a police report than their property was probably worth. Assault? Ha, suck it up restraining orders cost like $50k after the police and lawyers are done, not to mention ongoing enforcement costs.
They utterly fail to see that "voluntary" agreements mean that almost no one will pay taxes, the various government services will collapse almost overnight, and they have zero plan to account for such a crisis. The average person would not be able to afford these services, hell a lot of people don't want an ambulance called due to the thousands of dollars it would cost them! This troll is the one who can't seem to "get it" and so we should stop trying to help them. It will take a major personal crisis or exposure to societies actual problems, this internet discussion does nothing for the extremely close minded.
Hell, from discussions on here I became vastly more supportive of the 2nd amendment, but this troll.... ain't nothing I can say to change that face. Some people you just have to wait until their worldview bubble gets popped, until then they are operating on so many assumptions that it would take weeks to review the facts and educate them to the point where they could see why they were wrong.
(Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:19PM (7 children)
You are so right - taking food from a grocery store without paying for it should be allowed when you're hungry. I mean, think of the children!!!
If farmer Bob can't afford to feed himself with everyone taking all of his food that he toiled to create for free, then he needs to stop being a racist and work harder. No, the kid's parents don't need to work harder, why would they? That makes no sense at all!
Show no mercy to any person who is willing to live within their means!!!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @08:10PM
Show no mercy to any person who is willing to live within their means!!!!
Yeah! F****ng tight-wad Scrooges! I say take all their money, and all their dog's money, too! I say we make these selfish hoarders so poor they have to rely on free school lunches for their kids! And then we will take away their health insurance! Ha ha!!! That will show them! Oh, the agony of le petit bourgeousie and their "first world problems". Losers!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @08:25PM
You are so right - taking food from a grocery store without paying for it should be allowed when you're hungry. I mean, think of the children!!!
How effing twisted do you have to be to think that tax-payer funded school lunch directed by our duly elected representatives is the equivalent of stealing from the grocery?
Food stamps are also theft from the supermarket.
Driving on a public road is theft from toll-road owners.
Public education is theft from private schools.
Welfare housing is theft from rental property owners.
There is a part of your brain that is atrophied.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Sunday April 09 2017, @08:39PM (3 children)
--Anatole France
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Monday April 10 2017, @03:37PM (2 children)
Way to quote a communist. I'm sure you're serious, so go live in a communist country, please.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10 2017, @04:07PM (1 child)
I don't think I've ever seen such a blatantly unaware ad homenium on nerdy site.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday April 11 2017, @09:14AM
Shhh! Do NOT tell linkdude64 who Anatole France was, and definitely do not let on that you spelled "ad hominem" incorrectly. That much error is too much for one so unaware all on one day. (Hey! linkdude! Get an education! Knowing stuff is fun, and it doesn't make you look like an idiot!)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10 2017, @02:32AM
We give them foodstamps so they don't have to steal. Because, honestly, I don't think I can condemn someone for stealing when they are starving to death.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:11PM (11 children)
Seriously, US people ... you consider yourselves the leading nation of the world ... and THAT kind of behaviour (throwing away perfectly fine food, not feeding a hungry kid despite being able to do so, punishing a young kid for the faults of his parents) is not only tolerable, is not only a law, but gets supporters when that law is abolished?? (right here on SN, even)
WTF?!? That is *DISGUSTING* !!!
If *that's* what you call civilization, I'll rather stay in "barbaric", "socialist" Europe, thank you. Go on, read the Bible that so many of you are so very fond of! Read there what Jesus tells you about the sinners. Read there what Jesus teaches about mercy. And when you're done and your majorities have sched their ubermensch complex, you'll be welcome to rejoin the host of nations that have more-or-less been taking good care of their populace all along.
Sorry, gotta go go now, I have to BLEARGHHH!!!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:14PM (5 children)
Fuck off, Eurotwat. Enjoy watching your nation getting overrun by Muslim invaders. People being run over with trucks is now a weekly occurrence.
(Score: 3, Touché) by looorg on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:22PM (4 children)
[quote] ... People being run over with trucks is now a weekly occurrence.[/quote]
We can't all be nations where they fly planes into buildings (Yes, I went there). But you say it like you don't think that that is ever going to happen in America, I don't want to sound ominous or anything but just wait cause the truck-terrorists are coming to America to ... It's just a matter of time.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @08:10PM (1 child)
just wait cause the truck-terrorists are coming to America to ... It's just a matter of time.
We've already [mediamatters.org] got, [kwtx.com] beheadings. [washingtonpost.com] And killers promised the company of virgins in heaven, [theatlantic.com] and honor killings. [ajc.com]
So it ought to be no surprise that we've already had incidents [wate.com] of "truck terrorists" [wmcactionnews5.com] in america too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @08:23PM
Yeah, but Amerikan Truck Terrorists(tm) are just drunk rednecks or college kids, or people too old to still be operating a vehicle. All the carnage, but even more terror, since it is almost totally random because there is no ideology behind it.
www.cnn.com/2017/02/25/us/new-orleans-mardi-gras-parade-accident/
http://wspa.com/2017/02/28/car-drives-into-crowd-at-gulf-shores-al-parade/ [wspa.com]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Monica_Farmers_Market_crash [wikipedia.org]
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/crime/article/Driver-accused-in-fatal-SXSW-crash-gets-life-in-6615676.php [mysanantonio.com]
Driver says she was suicidal during Oklahoma State University crash, police say [newsok.com]
http://www.wdbj7.com/content/news/At-least-10-people-injured-at-Martinsville-Speedway-399247591.html [wdbj7.com]
(Score: 2) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Sunday April 09 2017, @11:17PM
... People being run over with trucks is now a weekly occurrence.
...just wait cause the truck-terrorists are coming to America to ... It's just a matter of time.
But why would they bother with trucks? Guns are so much easier to come by than trucks in the US...
It's NOT a conspiracy... it's a plot.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday April 10 2017, @02:46AM
just wait cause the truck-terrorists are coming to America to ... It's just a matter of time.
I'm sorry, what [wikimedia.org]?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 4, Informative) by mojo chan on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:21PM (1 child)
It's the American Dream™: "Fuck you, buddy, I got mine."
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:41PM
No, its not that.
Its "Undeserving people are cutting in line ahead of me."
Where who qualifies as 'undeserving' is primarily a function of race: [motherjones.com]
You are patiently standing in the middle of a long line stretching toward the horizon, where the American Dream awaits. But as you wait, you see people cutting in line ahead of you. Many of these line-cutters are black—beneficiaries of affirmative action or welfare. Some are career-driven women pushing into jobs they never had before. Then you see immigrants, Mexicans, Somalis, the Syrian refugees yet to come. As you wait in this unmoving line, you're being asked to feel sorry for them all. You have a good heart. But who is deciding who you should feel compassion for? Then you see President Barack Hussein Obama waving the line-cutters forward. He's on their side. In fact, isn't he a line-cutter too? How did this fatherless black guy pay for Harvard? As you wait your turn, Obama is using the money in your pocket to help the line-cutters. He and his liberal backers have removed the shame from taking. The government has become an instrument for redistributing your money to the undeserving. It's not your government anymore; it's theirs.
(Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:46PM
Well, you asked for it..
"And then Jesus ordered his disciples to share out the five breads and two fishes amongst the people, and it was a miracle: there was enough food for everyone."
"And then the Americans came, and arrested Jesus and dragged him away, because he had infringed on the expected profits of the bakers and fishermen, and disrupted the Economy."
Heavily paraphrased from Matthew 14:13-21 [wikipedia.org]...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10 2017, @03:20AM
you'll be welcome to rejoin the host of nations that have more-or-less been taking good care of their populace all along.
Say whaaaa? That "host of nations" has been at war for thousands of years up until a mere 72 years ago when the Great Satan took over and made all of you shut the fuck up once and for all. You would be Nazi or Communist Europe if not for the Americans. If and when the USA ever decides to pull out, it's an ironclad guarantee that you all will be back at it. So please, shitcan the arrogance.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10 2017, @08:34PM
US person here, it is disgusting. It is 100% worse when these are your fellow countrymen. The brainwashing is so complete for some segments of our population that I'm not sure how long it will take to recover. Trump is actually doing a good job of it, I think more conservatives are finally a TINY bit more supportive of socialized healthcare whether they realize it or not.
The hypocrisy is mind-bending, but it is hard to overstate the level of brainwashing that is happening. People don't want to face the ugly truths so they almost willingly deceive themselves. Only when the facts are too much to hide from do people change. I was one of those until mid-teens when I realized all the crazy shit some people had told me was actually true!! It is sad to see adults still blissfully unaware, like cattle walking calmly to the slaughter.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by looorg on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:11PM (17 children)
"Lunch Shaming". Seriously. This all seems kinda fucked up to me but then I'm not used to the American elementary school system. But to even pay for your own lunch? That is what taxes are for - you force the kids to go to school then you could at least feed them lunch to. That should be your tax dollars at work. If you can't even do that then don't have mandatory education.
The examples gives just seems beyond moronic. Throwing away food? Then they might as well give it to them. That just seems a bit cruel and unusual. I have a vague memory of some news about some school staff being fired for giving it away to poor kids instead of throwing it away - so I guess that is a thing to. Ah I see now that was even mentioned in the article - apparently it was in Pittsburgh, she quit rather then deny a child food. Children forced to perform labor to pay their debt? Don't you have child labor laws? This would probably be in direct violation of that, not to mention that children are usually not allowed to sign contracts of any kind that would put them in debt. So if someone should be forced to do labor for food it would be their parents.
Perhaps they should start to wonder why the kids are performing so badly in school - there all day with no proper meal. If the lunches served can even be called proper that is. Looking at the image in the NYT I guess that would be ok if that is what the typical school lunch looks like in America, a bit heavy on the veggie side for my taste but ok.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:24PM
Yeah, there are some seriously fucked up people in the US.
Would the police in your town arrest you [cltampa.com] for feeding those with no home or money?
It's considered very poor form to be poor in this country. a moral failing, in fact. Because if you had moral character, you wouldn't be poor.
It has nothing to do with the lack of equality of opportunity. It has nothing to do with societal/structural issues which keep the poor from becoming billionaires.
In fact, poor people are just temporily disadvantaged millionaires. Anyone who isn't is clearly a worthless lump that should be sterilized before it can breed -- since the failings are clearly genetic.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 0, Redundant) by NotSanguine on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:24PM
Yeah, there are some seriously fucked up people in the US.
Would the police in your town arrest you [cltampa.com] for feeding those with no home or money?
It's considered very poor form to be poor in this country. a moral failing, in fact. Because if you had moral character, you wouldn't be poor.
It has nothing to do with the lack of equality of opportunity. It has nothing to do with societal/structural issues which keep the poor from becoming billionaires.
In fact, poor people are just temporily disadvantaged millionaires. Anyone who isn't is clearly a worthless lump that should be sterilized before it can breed -- since the failings are clearly genetic.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:25PM (14 children)
"Public schools should feed kids, too"
Let me rephrase that for you.
"The government should not only regulate what your kids learn, but also what they eat."
Why should we stop there?
(Score: 4, Informative) by looorg on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:43PM (11 children)
Your government already does that. You have a Food and Drug administration. They already issue guidelines and recommendations on what to eat and how much for all ages, including children.
In this exact case it would probably be in your best long term interest, if they are going to be in school all day they have to eat. Either you pay for it with taxes or you send bills to their parents. But to take it out on the children just seems beyond stupid. How come you give free meals to prisoners but not to pupils? If anything you should reverse that so you give free food to children and the people in prison could pay for their meal out of the $0.x dollars they make per hour. But on some level you feed them to pacify them so they won't riot. You should do the same with the children - feed them so they can learn.
(Score: 2) by fliptop on Sunday April 09 2017, @08:48PM (10 children)
Yes, and they're doing a bang-up job [soylentnews.org].
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
(Score: 2) by looorg on Sunday April 09 2017, @08:57PM (9 children)
Clearly people don't follow the guidelines. Perhaps they need more education in School on proper nutrition, less PBJ-sandwiches and more veggies?
(Score: 2) by fliptop on Sunday April 09 2017, @09:03PM (8 children)
What good are the guidelines when the same government that provides them allows you to buy Pepsi and potato chips w/ your EBT card?
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @09:17PM (5 children)
then please curtail the lobbyests that keep demanding that this is allowed to happen.
nothing it not untouched by the taint of marketing and corporate forces. if there is a feed trough, the *pigs* will be there. but its not food, it's money.
(Score: 2) by fliptop on Sunday April 09 2017, @09:22PM (4 children)
Are you suggesting the government can't even follow their own advice? If what you've said is true, then why aren't Pepsi and potato chips part of the FDA's recommendations in the 1st place?
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @09:31PM (3 children)
If what you've said is true, then why aren't Pepsi and potato chips part of the FDA's recommendations in the 1st place?
Stupid geek logic:
Everything in life is either 100% or 0%.
There is no in between.
And it never ever happens that something can be more than one thing at a time.
Oh yeah, systemic effects don't exist either. If its not explicit, it doesn't exist.
Stupid Food Justice Warriors!
(Score: 1, Redundant) by fliptop on Sunday April 09 2017, @09:52PM (2 children)
Stupid government logic:
Here's what you should be eating.
Here's some free money to buy food.
When we give you this free money we don't care whether you're following our recommendations.
That's it for me AC's, either post w/ your nic or piss off. Because I'm done feeding you.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10 2017, @01:31AM (1 child)
That's it for me AC's, either post w/ your nic or piss off. Because I'm done feeding you.
Feeding us what?
Lines to make fun of you with?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10 2017, @01:53AM
I think he may have flipped his top! Left to the tender mercies of the ACs! Can you imagine a worse fate? Almost as bad as being shamed for not having lunch money when you are just a child.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @09:28PM
What good are the guidelines when the same government that provides them allows you to buy Pepsi and potato chips w/ your EBT card?
It is a bullshit myth that SNAP recipients spend significantly more of their budget on soda and junk food than other families.
The difference is less than 5% [usda.gov] of their total spend (including cash combined with SNAP funds) and that does not account for the fact that non-SNAP households spend more in total on food, so a single $2 honeycrisp apple 'counts' as much as five 40-cent fuji apples, despite being 80% less actual food.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10 2017, @06:23PM
There's nothing wrong with an EBT card buying Pepsi and chips for a kids birthday party. The problem is when people only eat Pepsi and chips. And, well, free choice and all...
(Score: 5, Informative) by aristarchus on Sunday April 09 2017, @08:31PM (1 child)
"The government should not only regulate what your kids learn, but also what they eat."
Why should we stop there?
Why should we not stop there? Well, mostly because it so obviously failed in your case! Did you not learn civic virtue, morality, and common humanity when you were a child? If your parents, (if you had any), failed at this, yes schools should step in. And despite the First Lady of the United States efforts, most school lunch programs are not so much about controlling what kids eat as the are about enabling kids to eat at all.
And you obviously did not learn how American education is controlled! Schools are some of the most local government there is, controlled by local elected school boards, funded by property tax levees that the citizens impose upon themselves for the betterment of their own community. What kind of educational fail libertaritard are you?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @09:21PM
yeah I was wondering -- where does this guy end up thinking the kids are being forced to eat government brainwash food?
christ, he can pack the lunch himself if he cares about what his kids eat, and then go whine that he refuses to participate in the scheme and hand selects the food for his children.
its what my mom used to do, she even bought groceries on a weekly basis! my school didn't even have lunches provided, this whole arguement is totally alien to me that everyone gets a lunch.
she made my lunch for school for 12 years -- and when i got home from kindergarten after school ended. i dont remember her complaining that poor city children got lunch for free while she HAD to make one for me.
there were kids that had prepackaged sandwiches because their rich parents couldn't be bothered, but that was few and far between.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:23PM
Anyone who was part of this, sanctioned it or did not speak up against it has NO place in a school or any other place with children.
Child abuse CANNOT be acceptable at any school, that it's psychological and not physical makes it at best marginally better.
If it's something you need a special law for it, you must be living in a class A shithole.
(Score: 2) by wisnoskij on Sunday April 09 2017, @07:26PM (1 child)
So the state is making programs that are feeding hungry children illegal?
(Score: 2) by Kilo110 on Sunday April 09 2017, @09:19PM
sounds like the opposite