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Chelsea Manning has been freed from the Fort Leavenworth military prison, according to a US Army spokesperson:
In January she tweeted that she wanted to move to Maryland after being released, a state where she previously lived. On Monday she tweeted: "Two more days until the freedom of civilian life ^_^ Now hunting for private #healthcare like millions of Americans =P".
Manning will remain on active army duty while her military court conviction remains under appeal. She will have healthcare benefits but will be unpaid, the army says. An online campaign set up by her attorney has raised $150,000 (£115,725) to pay for her living expenses for the first year after her release. If the appeal is denied, she could be dishonourably discharged from the army, US media say.
The mentioned Chelsea Manning Welcome Home Fund. Also at NPR, NYT, and CNN.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by bob_super on Wednesday May 17 2017, @10:57PM (25 children)
Nobel could happen, given that "not being Trump" might have the same effect as "not being W" (4 Nobel prizes total).
What I cynically want to know is whether she will remain Chelsea after being released from jail. Last indications seem to be yes, but I can't stop wondering whether the transgender identity wasn't a sympathy/protection move.
(Score: 2) by butthurt on Wednesday May 17 2017, @11:11PM
> [...] I can't stop wondering whether the transgender identity wasn't a sympathy/protection move.
The photo at the top of the BBC article was taken before Manning was imprisoned.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 17 2017, @11:36PM
> I can't stop wondering whether the transgender identity wasn't a sympathy/protection move.
You have watched too many episodes of MASH.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 18 2017, @02:00AM (22 children)
Manning was described as "gender confused" long before the incidents for which he was charged and convicted. None of that was put on for defense. Given that the creature was put into prison for forever minus a couple days or so, any pretense probably would have been dropped sometime after arriving in prison. Whatever it is, it's genuine. It passes the smell test, you may choose to do a taste test if you like.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday May 18 2017, @03:11AM (20 children)
Stop referring to another human being as "it." You're protesting much too hard here and it's making me think you're running from something.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18 2017, @06:42AM (3 children)
"It" may be used when referring to entities of indeterminate gender, we use the word when speaking of babies, toddlers and animals all the time.
You're protesting much too hard here and it's making me think you're running from something.
Do not presume bad faith, it's an incredibly toxic attitude to hold.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18 2017, @11:46AM (1 child)
> "It" may be used when referring to entities of indeterminate gender, we use the word when speaking of babies, toddlers and animals all the time.
Nobody human refers to babies or toddlers as its.
> Do not presume bad faith, it's an incredibly toxic attitude to hold.
There is no presumption. It takes every chance it can get to denigrate LGBT people.
(Score: 2, Funny) by kurenai.tsubasa on Thursday May 18 2017, @02:06PM
Well, the way I take GP is that the pronoun “it” should be used until the Crocodile Dundee maneuver has been performed. While the Crocodile Dundee maneuver isn't foolproof, it should help to determine a pronoun to be used with trans men and even folks with advanced infiltrator class woman suits like me. If not for that maneuver, somebody might be tricked by my woman suit or by a trans man's facial hair and incorrectly gender them according to their appearance (as opposed to their True Gender… something like a True Name I'm sure).
The only downside to GP's proposal is that performing the Crocodile Dundee maneuver on a cisgendered woman who doesn't pass as well as I do (there are some very unlucky women out there) may invite lawsuits if not a slap across the face. Performing this maneuver on a trans man may result in a punch to the nose. So it's risky, but I understand that GP may well be more afraid of misgendering a cisgendered person accidentally.
When people used to have manners, misgendering somebody was a faux pas for sure, but other than the momentary embarrassment on the part of the speaker, we were able to quickly resolve it and move on. However, these days it's straight to condition red and beat the shit out of the person you were confused about, then double down if they turn out to be cisgendered.
(This is where I go completely off the rails. I am saying something here, but I am content with leaving the reader to dig for it.)
Unfortunately, most women are not T-900 advanced infiltrators from the post-apocalyptic future, and an Apache Attack Copter may severely damage them with 30 mm chain gun fire or even kill them if they launch off an AGM-114 Hellfire anti-tank missile. Of course, given that T-900s have a coltan hyperalloy endoskeleton underneath the woman suit, they can typically take a few AGM-114 hits and remain 83% combat effective (but the woman suit never survives this! it has to be entirely regrown same as the T-888! q.q 'tis sad, but protip for any other T-900s out there! if this happens, it really helps if you put the lotion on its skin once every 6–8 hours! seriously! your new infiltrator sheath will be so soft and silky!), though given the greater agility afforded to the T-900 chassis over the T-800, especially the bulky model 101 infiltrator, it's doubtful a direct hit would occur. When armed with a phased plasma rifle in a 40 watt range, a T-900's tactical subsystem is able to perform the split second precision aiming necessary to shoot down an inbound AGM-114 missile.
So this is why it's important not to assume somebody's gender until performing the Crocodile Dundee maneuver!
Or at least I assume that's what GP was getting at….
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday May 18 2017, @06:32PM
And Chelsea is not now, nor when she was Bradley, of "indeterminate gender." Was very clearly male, now very clearly female. I "assume bad faith" because he--and you, with this post--are showing it constantly. Piss off.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 18 2017, @01:51PM (15 children)
I will speak the English language as I damned well please. It almost sounds like you are projecting. If you protest something, that means you are running from something? I'll try to remember that. So, in view of the fact that I consider Manning to be subhuman, what are YOU running away from, with your protests?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18 2017, @02:39PM (1 child)
> I will speak the English language as I damned well please.
And we will judge you based on what you say.
Don't like being judged? Easy solution. Shut the fuck up buttercup.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18 2017, @03:19PM
Lick the buttercup, LMAO!!
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday May 18 2017, @06:35PM (12 children)
You consider her subhuman...why exactly? Unless you do a DNA test and find, say, telomeric sequence characteristic of the common or garden tomato, you're already way the hell off base.
Fuck you sideways, Runaway. We all know what this is about: trans and queer people give you the icks, and you have to put them down any way you can in order to shield your precious, delicate ego. God, men are so fucking fragile.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 19 2017, @01:17AM (11 children)
Manning betrayed his mates. That is the bottom line. The queer shit may give me the icks, but I have never called you or anyone else here subhuman, have I? No, I have not. You are infatuated with Manning because A. he is queer, and B. he has been painted as altruistic. Betrayal. Look that up in the dictionary. Think about it. Imagine your mother betraying you. Imagine your father betraying you. Imagine your brothers and sisters betraying you. Your special other, with whom you share a home, a life, everything.
Manning betrayed his brothers and sisters. The spiteful little bitch stabbed his brothers and sisters in the back. It is subhuman.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 19 2017, @02:28AM
I think I understand how you feel now.
Family betrayed me many moons ago, and they'll tell you that I was the one who betrayed them instead.
That's interesting. I hadn't expected such an interplay between sociology and psychology.
Thank you for explaining.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday May 19 2017, @03:05AM (9 children)
And what he revealed ended up possibly stopping a shitload worse. I've got mixed emotions about what he did and why, and the motives sure as hell weren't pure, but then...what about the last 70+ years of US intervention in international affairs has been? There's no good guys here, and I suspect he, now she, never really expected most of this.
Mind explaining your condensation of LGBT as "lickbutt" though? That doesn't sound neutral or "I don't really care"-ish to me. You tip your hand much too easily.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 19 2017, @01:43PM (8 children)
Lickbutt? It's funny as hell. I can't take credit for it, I heard it on the radio. But, every fucking drag queen and drama queen in the country needs us to know they are queer. Fuck, no one wants to know. Go home, and lick that butt in private!!
Oh yeah - pedophilia. It WAS acceptable among the lickbutts, until the FBI busted half the people in NAMBLA. But, it's coming back.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/01/dsm-pedophilia-mental-disorder-paraphilia_n_4184878.html [huffingtonpost.com]
The slippery slope starts out as a nice, easy incline. But, soon, it's going to be "Anything goes!"
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday May 20 2017, @02:39AM (7 children)
Christ, you actually made a slippery slope argument?! I thought you were better than that. And I can't help but notice you're calling out a group of gay men (lesbian invisibility strikes again, whoohoo!) and tarring every single queer person of every stripe with their criminality. As I understand it, NAMBLA occupies about the same headspace within the queer community as Westboro does among mainline Protestants.
*This* lesbian is active in anti-trafficking work, with a specific emphasis on keeping children OUT of the reach of bastards like them. My closest friend, and the recipient of easily 30%+ of my after-tax income, meager as that is, was trafficked from ages 12-16 during the Reagan years. So was her sister, and she is long dead. You owe me an apology you can't tilt your head back far enough to see the size of for that little piece of guilt-by-association.
tl;dr: fuck your fallacies and go to Hell.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday May 20 2017, @02:52AM (6 children)
Salutes for your position on human traficking.
OK, so pedos are a small part of the queer community. Westboro is a small part of the Christian community. How does that change the fact that pedophilia is following the same track that made homosexuality "acceptable"?
You don't like slippery slopes? Hey, I got an idea. Let's just stay the fuck OFF OF THEM!! The fact is, LGBT had no problem with pedos, until the FBI cracked down on NAMBLA. The chiefs of each were photographed on stages, hugging, and doing queer stuff together. "Oh, we're all just misunderstood, let's work together to make normal people understand us!"
But, wait. Headspace? Are you kin to Max Headroom?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday May 20 2017, @03:02AM (5 children)
Look, I was born in 1985 so I missed out on the entire "queer liberation" phase, especially since it took till age 16 to admit what I was. This paedo stuff seems almost exclusive to queer men, from what little I've seen, so how about you at least be honest with yourself and admit it's gay dudes that squick you for whatever reason?
Because something tells me you wouldn't have a problem watching me and my girlfriend go at it but you'd (pretend to...?) be grossed out at Adam and Steve. And this is your justification for that. "Eww some of those people are paedos, therefore everyone who's not straight and cisgender is gross as hell!"
Frankly, Runaway, I've suspected you're bisexual or at least questioning ever since I saw your first homophobic-sounding post. You're showing all the classic signs of defensive overreaction. Especially the one where, when someone (me!) points this out to you, you go "no, YOU'RE the one who's projecting!!!!111eleventyone." My experience has been that most straights who are truly secure in their sexuality *do not care.*
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday May 20 2017, @01:29PM (4 children)
"Frankly, Runaway, I've suspected you're bisexual . . ."
And, you're different from the jocks in the locker room - how, exactly? You can't win a point, so you attack a guy's sexuality. But, wait - you're trying to shame me, with the sexuality that you accuse/project/assign me? But, being gay is something to be PROUD OF!!
Whatever it is that you think, or don't think, of me, it's not my job to fit into your warped version of reality. Especially when you can't seem to make up your mind which reality you're in.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday May 21 2017, @05:00AM (3 children)
*I* don't think being any kind of queer is something to be ashamed of--*you* do. That's the entire point.
You took a long time to reply to that last one, and then replied with a hysterical, half-incoherent pile of non-sequiturs. Good grief, you're not fooling anyone but yourself. If you actually are bi or questioning, or even gay but closeted, *let it go.* You'll feel a lot better--this is sixteen year old me speaking here!--and things will start falling into place. And you can stop hating yourself.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday May 21 2017, @06:19AM (2 children)
You're getting boring, 'Zumi. For me, it's girls. I've liked girls for about 50 years now, and no male has ever looked appealing. End of story. Wherever you think you want to go with this, it's a dead end.
But, you've failed repeatedly to explain your interest in MY sex life. All this locker room talk, questioning the size of my penis, questioning my interests, etc ad nauseum. Explain all of that, alright?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday May 22 2017, @05:34AM (1 child)
Very easy to explain: these things bother the hell out of you, you've got unresolved daddy issues, and I like seeing what you *don't* say and how you *do* say the things you say, as they are much more revealing than you think.
Your choice of words, what you choose to reply to, what you choose not to, how you reply to what you reply to, all of it paints a much more detailed picture than you realize. You're one of the more predictable and, frankly, easily-trollable posters on here, and you're such an asshole it becomes an irresistible temptation to set you off :) You're also amazingly tightly-wound, and this is coming from someone who needs massive doses of magnesium and B-complex just to get through the workday.
Have you noticed something in the last few months? People like you, J-Mo, Uzzard, and the like are taking a lot more flak and getting a lot less leeway for the bullshit you post on here. I won't claim credit for that of course, but it seems like the site's collective conscious, if not collective conscience, is waking up, and it's tired of your fallacious horseshit.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday May 22 2017, @09:08AM
Oh, my bad. You're the resident psyche-chiatrist, or something like that. You mostly read minds, and when you can't do that, you analyze everything until it fits into your own world view. After all, it would be unethical or something like that just to take a sentence at face value.
Get a life, girl. It's not all about you, it's not all drama, and you don't have the answers to Life, the Universe, and Everything.
Since I'm feeling generous right now, I'll GIVE you the answer. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/42-the-answer-to-life-the-universe-and-everything-2205734.html [independent.co.uk]
(Score: 1) by lcklspckl on Thursday May 18 2017, @10:29PM
Yep, I modded this insightful. You see, this creature (Runaway) is pretty much right. It (the issue with Manning) is genuine and does pass the smell test. Here Runaway seems to be acknowledging that and I didn't sense the use of disrespectful pronouns. Now, I default to calling most folks whatever they want to be called out of simple respect--usually. Doing otherwise is a kind of gaslighting. I'm not defending anything Runaway has said over time, but this time, I detect no aggression nor intentional disrespect. The creature is something a grandmother says in order to express pity--we're all creatures, and humans should be pitied. It's the most we deserve. Hashtag SadHumans!