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posted by n1 on Wednesday June 14 2017, @11:52PM   Printer-friendly
from the just-like-old-times dept.

The Republican-led Senate voted decisively to punish Moscow for interfering in the 2016 election by approving a wide-ranging sanctions package that targets key sectors of Russia's economy and individuals who carried out cyber attacks.

Senators on Wednesday passed the bipartisan sanctions legislation 97-2, underscoring broad support among Republicans and Democrats for rebuking Russia after U.S. intelligence agencies determined Moscow had deliberately interfered in the presidential campaign. Lawmakers who backed the measure also cited Russia's aggression in Syria and Ukraine.

Source: USNews.com


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Snotnose on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:11AM (12 children)

    by Snotnose (1623) on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:11AM (#525752)

    You're gonna try and tell me we don't try to meddle in other country's elections? Quite frankly, I hope to hell we do. The Russians hacked the DNC servers? Really? They had to get in line, from what I've heard it wasn't that hard to do. I'm guessing there were a few dozen hacker/hacker groups around the world, including in the US, who did so.

    HRC's email? Wouldn't take long to figure out she wasn't using a State Department addy, and even less time to figure out she had a second rate IT dude running a server in her bathroom. FBI doesn't have her deleted emails? Ask the Chinese for them. Or the Russkies. Or Anonymous. Or that pimply faced kid down the block that fixes your computer when you do something stupid.

    Fact of life. Everyone hacks our electoral system. We hack everyone else's electoral system. Current state of cyber security sucks, not because it isn't possible, but because it's hard and few people care.

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  • (Score: 2) by Snotnose on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:25AM (3 children)

    by Snotnose (1623) on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:25AM (#525768)

    To reply to my own comment, was on the phone with a friend. He pointed out that if the payoff for being bad is high, and the chance of getting caught is low, and if caught the penalties don't matter, then bad behaviour will happen.

    I should make that a sig somewhere, except I don't use sigs anymore.

    / See: HRC's email server while sec of state

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    • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:36AM (2 children)

      by jmorris (4844) on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:36AM (#525803)

      Hmm, is your 'friend' Scott Adams? Because his post today was on exactly that subject. That exact quote is in a pullquote box.

      • (Score: 2) by Snotnose on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:53AM (1 child)

        by Snotnose (1623) on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:53AM (#525813)

        Dunno, not sure what websites he visits. But seeing the Scott Adam's website I'm all "um, err, I'm an idiot".

        That said, I first heard the quote some 40 years ago. Then again, had George not said it I would have never made the connection.

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        • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:07AM

          by jmorris (4844) on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:07AM (#525820)

          That is the magic of the Internet at work. Meme magic; Kek is smiling.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:08AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:08AM (#525790)

    Those emails should have been available to the public anyway. Also, it was the choice of the American people how to respond to the contents of those emails; it wasn't Russia's fault just because they chose to respond in a particular way.

    But at the same time, our security is terrible, and that's concerning in and of itself.

  • (Score: 2, Troll) by edIII on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:24AM (6 children)

    by edIII (791) on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:24AM (#525799)

    So the fuck what? It doesn't matter if theft is happening everywhere, you still seek justice!

    We have an illegitimate President that won't release his tax returns, or do jack diddly shit to eliminate his MASSIVE MASSIVE conflicts of interest. He is not a lawful person, uses lawyers as weapons, and wipes his ass with the law. See for foreign emoluments law.

    You CANT prove that we are NOT being run by Russia, and the position isn't tin-foil-hattery when you have somebody extremely high up in the intelligence community letting us know about it. That and Reality Winner (my new hero) flat fucking proved there was meddling in our election to Trump's favor.

    I understand you voted for the dumb fucker, and I can't be mad since it was a vote against HRC, but you don't need to overreach and try to justify his existence, or normalize and hand waive the Russian interference away. It matters, we need sanctions against Russia, and we need to KNOW that our President isn't fundamentally compromised.

    Even many high level Republicans feel the same way, but won't speak about it because they are more interested in supporting party politics than they are in supporting their country. Maybe once the Republicans pass enough shitty fucking abhorrent laws to remove all accountability from the Elites they will turn on Trump and dump his gone-full-retard fat ass.

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    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by qzm on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:32AM (1 child)

      by qzm (3260) on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:32AM (#525801)

      Lolz.
      Come on little guy, I am sure there is still a toy somewhere in your cot you have not thrown out because mummy told you its time to move up the big big boy bottle for your feed..

      As far as I can see (from, thank god, not america) HE IS SIMPLY CARRYING ON THE PROUD TRADITION OF THE US PRESIDENCY.

      Doesnt actually look that different from the last guy, or the last ten, from outside you know..
      Well, I will admit, there is one difference - we are actually getting more porting on what Trump does, and he is much more open about it.
      So, I guess thats an improvement right? Seems almost like transparency..

      • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by edIII on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:21AM

        by edIII (791) on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:21AM (#525825)

        Yeah, you can go fuck yourself with the childish character attacks. There was literally nothing in your response to me of substance.

        All that matters is that high level people in our intelligence community have informed of us that it has happened, a leak of top secret material has confirmed it, and that there are ongoing investigations into many of the members of Trump's campaign because of the Russian interference.

        Do you have anything useful to say? Any retort with facts? Then fuck off and die you little bitch.

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Snotnose on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:37AM (2 children)

      by Snotnose (1623) on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:37AM (#525805)

      Actually, I voted for Gary Johnson. I couldn't stomach either HRC nor Trump, even though Gary had 0% chance of winning.

      We are not being run by Russia. Russia can barely run their own country, let alone some shitstain like Mexico. Or the US. We are being run by the nutjobs on the right, and the nutjobs on the left, whomever has the most power in their kitty litter box. The middle, which is most of us? We've been ignored.

      Trump is a disgrace. HRC would have been worse. The DNC and DWS fed us a pair of shitty candidates and we had to choose. We chose. We lost either way.

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      • (Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Thursday June 15 2017, @07:33AM

        by cubancigar11 (330) on Thursday June 15 2017, @07:33AM (#525903) Homepage Journal

        Bingo. And the reason behind it? Because the middle is emotional, egotistical and lacks conviction. It has the biggest number, but it is always looking for someone to give power. And it has no regard for who is using that power, even though it is a mathematical certainty that all power is always used by the extremists. Left turns a blind eye towards legitimate issues on the right, and right turns a blind eye towards legitimate issues on the left.

        In the end, the middle is not like each other. It is divided, and the division becomes visible by focusing on the extremists. That is why media is always blind towards a common man's issues. Because common man's issues don't throw any light on their difference.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @05:02PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @05:02PM (#526094)

        You, sir, win the internets today. Well done.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:16AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:16AM (#525822)

      You CANT prove that we are NOT being run by Russia

      And? Many things can't be proven to be false, but that doesn't make them true.

      when you have somebody extremely high up in the intelligence community letting us know about it.

      Since when is the intelligence community remotely trustworthy, especially to people on a site like SoylentNews? We know how often they lie, and they hide behind "national security" excuses most of the time when they're asked to present actual evidence (as opposed to just making claims).

      That and Reality Winner (my new hero) flat fucking proved there was meddling in our election to Trump's favor.

      What kind of meddling? That part is important. From what I see, they may have leaked emails which should have been public anyway to Wikileaks, and then the public reacted to those real emails. Lack of security is a valid concern, but other than that, that is a really mild form of meddling even assuming it happened that way, and the choice was still left to the voters.

      There are better arguments against Trump, like pretty much anything else other than this Russia nonsense. I see no evidence of direct collusion yet, but looking into it is still a good thing. The foreign emoluments law is a real issue, though.

      I also feel that it's difficult to say anything that even gives the appearance of defending Trump without partisan retards assuming I'm a Trump supporter even though I didn't vote for him and I despise him. We need effective opposition mostly based on policy, not corporate partisan hacks screaming about Russia 24/7.