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posted by n1 on Wednesday June 14 2017, @11:52PM   Printer-friendly
from the just-like-old-times dept.

The Republican-led Senate voted decisively to punish Moscow for interfering in the 2016 election by approving a wide-ranging sanctions package that targets key sectors of Russia's economy and individuals who carried out cyber attacks.

Senators on Wednesday passed the bipartisan sanctions legislation 97-2, underscoring broad support among Republicans and Democrats for rebuking Russia after U.S. intelligence agencies determined Moscow had deliberately interfered in the presidential campaign. Lawmakers who backed the measure also cited Russia's aggression in Syria and Ukraine.

Source: USNews.com


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  • (Score: 3, Touché) by KGIII on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:31AM (8 children)

    by KGIII (5261) on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:31AM (#525800) Journal

    Oh, wow... I don't think we're gonna have a productive conversation on this subject. I really don't.

    I will say, to ensure clarity, I am not a Trump voter. No, no... I'm on the crazy left side of the spectrum.

    I will try to show you why we can't have a productive conversation. Ready? You just told me that you can't tell the difference between the dictator of North Korea and the president of the United States.

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    "So long and thanks for all the fish."
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:45AM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:45AM (#525809)

    I will say, to ensure clarity, I am not a Trump voter. No, no... I'm on the crazy left side of the spectrum.

    You too huh? Does anybody else remember really, really hating Ann Coulter when Bush was in office? [anncoulter.com]

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by KGIII on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:25AM (3 children)

      by KGIII (5261) on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:25AM (#525828) Journal

      I have stood guard while children risked death, just to get food aid from the UN.

      I have been in Somalia, while enlisted and as a civilian. The second time was for the same reason, to help.

      I have met actual armed members of the now defunct FARQ.

      I have changed the diaper on a child who had no chance of surviving.

      I have been to Rawanda, as a civilian. Again, I handed out food, toiletries, and tried to give them hope.

      I can go on. It's a pretty big list of places that are horrible, and worse than the US is ever likely to be.

      In all those places, in all that horror, in all that struggle, you got sincere smiles. That's not even the important part. The important part is that they still sang songs, danced, played music, and retained both dignity and resistance. In all those experiences, I never even really hated anyone.

      A snippet of lyrics...

      When I was over there, I thought lord what am I doing here?
      Trying to kill somebody or die tryin'.
      But the thing that scare me most is when my enemy came close,
      I could see that his face looked just like mine.

      Life is too short and precious to hate. Hate is a very, very powerful emotion. I suspect it's biased because of the people that I tend to communicate with, but I see more hate from the Left than I see from the Right.

      It used to be that at least on party paid lip service to being better than the other side. Yet, here we are. Here we are with people advocating death. Here we are with people making unreasoned choices. This thread is a fine example.

      And no, I am not non-violent. I don't believe we will ever have peace.

      Marginally related, I sometimes wonder what I'd do if it reached the point of civil war. On one hand, I spent eight years as a Marine and I feel kinda obligated to help. At the same time, I have ample resources, citizenship of two countries, and can take care of my loved ones in perpetuity. And, frankly, I'm no longer certain that the majority citizens are worth risking my life. I am not that altruistic, but this thread is one of the better threads to demonstrate why I am as certain as I once was.

      Sorry for the novella, but it just doesn't fit well on a bumper sticker.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @04:33AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @04:33AM (#525869)

        I found this interesting, informative, and insightful, and so I figured an anonymous reply would do your post more justice than a single-point mod....

        • (Score: 2) by KGIII on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:28PM (1 child)

          by KGIII (5261) on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:28PM (#526025) Journal

          I'm not in it for mod points. ;-)

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          "So long and thanks for all the fish."
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @11:09PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @11:09PM (#526245)

            You are totally self-absorbed tho. You should get something to do with yourself, keep busy, stave off dementia etc.

  • (Score: 2) by edIII on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:04AM (2 children)

    by edIII (791) on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:04AM (#525818)

    I can't tell the difference in how they behave, or their mental stability. Not to mention, Trump is fond of dictators. Lemme see.... oh yeah... Trump has talked and joked about killing/imprisoning the press.

    I could go on, but yes, there are striking similarities between Trump and Little Kimmie. The major difference? Both are dictators, but one is facing a hell of a lot of checks and balances, and is unable to rule like a dictator. The major similarity? They both whip up hate and fear to better control the populace.

    Perhaps you don't want to acknowledge the similarities between them, but they do exist. They're very similar sociopaths, just operating in different environments.

    No, no... I'm on the crazy left side of the spectrum.

    I doubt that. You can't be on the "crazy left" and be okay with President Dumbass and what they're doing. You would be more frothing mad than I already am, and I'm more of a centrist and right leaning than YOU are. Yet you are mostly okay with what he is doing, so you are lying about being on the left. You sound like a centrist that doesn't want to be associated with the right.

    We do agree on something. I doubt it will be a productive conversation if what Trump is doing now doesn't bother you. I guess we would need actual murdered babies and concentration camps being set up next door before you become bothered enough huh?

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by KGIII on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:36AM

      by KGIII (5261) on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:36AM (#525831) Journal

      You're not actually all that good at reading comprehension.

      At no point did I say I didn't mind it. I said that he wasn't as bad as I expected him to be. I also said that I don't hate him.

      If you can't be intellectually honest with yourself, you sure as hell won't be honest with me.

      --
      "So long and thanks for all the fish."
    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @03:28AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @03:28AM (#525845)

      You can't expect everyone to have the same level of emotional reaction. Trump is terrible and the GOP is green lighting some of the worst stuff because trump is dumb enough to go along. However, this is nothing new. Rights eroding, public services defended, par for the course really. KGIII has a very good point, life is too short for hatred. Get mad, but let it go and move forward rationally.