According to a poll conducted by two academic authors and published by The Washington Post, 52 percent of Republicans said they would back a postponement of the next election if Trump called for it.
If Trump and congressional Republicans proposed postponing the election to ensure only eligible citizens could vote, support from Republicans rises to 56 percent.
Pollsters found 47 percent of Republicans think Trump won the popular vote.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11 2017, @06:07AM
I think it would be interesting to poll Americans on let's say how much Obama managed to get China to agree to reduce their CO2 emissions by, by 2030, in his "landmark environmental treaty" that was signed with them.
- More than 75%
- More than 50%
- More than 30%
- More than 10%
- 0%
You'd probably get extremely close to 0% of Americans getting the right answer there, which is 0%. Even better, how about we poll Americans on the TPP?
The fact that the majority of republicans understand that Trump lost the majority vote is surprising. The vast majority of people don't really have much of a clue about anything and just rely on their media feeds to inform them. Unsurprisingly most media feeds that target a self-identifying republican demographic weren't running many stories on the popular vote. This sort of echo chamber mentality is one of the most severe issues facing our country today on both sides of the aisle. As news becomes increasingly sensationalistic and targeted towards specific demographics, this divide is rapidly increasing to the point that both 'sides' are becoming increasingly ignorant of the other, and accessing information that is only incredibly biased either for 'their side' or against 'the other side.'
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11 2017, @07:16AM (1 child)
Probably more than half.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11 2017, @07:37AM
Especially the ones near Guam.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11 2017, @02:06PM (2 children)
Democrat: she won the popular vote
Republican: no, there was lots of fraud, she may have won an incorrect count but that isn't legit
Democrat: our vote count proves otherwise; she won!
Republican: Let's check for fraud in that election. Also, in the future let's check ID for voting, just like every other country (even India and Mexico) does.
Democrat: Nooo!!! We don't need to check for fraud because she won the popular vote; our count says so. Anyway, checking the count is racist. Checking ID is racist, except for guns.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11 2017, @07:46PM (1 child)
Conservatives love to claim liberals are disingenuous and pushing their own agenda, but failing to address the systemic issues with racism that are still very current makes conservatives hypocritical projecting idiots.
Good job!!
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday August 12 2017, @08:57PM
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday August 11 2017, @02:13PM (11 children)
Haven't even read the fine article, and don't intend to. Bullshit. I don't see anyone getting an amendment passed, repealed, changed, or whatever the hell plan they have. As things stand, any president trying to force a third term will likely spark a civil war. The Court Fool is no exception to that.
More importantly, in my mind, there is certainly some voter fraud out there. But, there isn't THAT damned much fraud. Well, except for California maybe.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11 2017, @03:00PM (1 child)
> I don't see anyone getting an amendment passed, repealed, changed, or whatever the hell plan they have.
It's not about a plan. It's about an opinion poll.
> Haven't even read the fine article, and don't intend to.
You didn't read, or didn't understand, even the summary. At three sentences, it's shorter than most.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday August 12 2017, @09:24PM
Exactly. What are we supposed to be getting worked over here? Let us keep in mind the known fallibility of opinion polls, especially ones like this that are designed either to troll for eyeballs or prove some ideological point.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by tangomargarine on Friday August 11 2017, @03:01PM (1 child)
Extending an existing term isn't getting a third one, although it is as sleazy and traitorous. The only way FDR got away with it was because we were in the middle of a war.
It really demonstrates how much our voting public has gone down the shithole that I totally believe a quarter of the population would be in favor of this.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 3, Informative) by Thexalon on Friday August 11 2017, @05:13PM
FDR got away with it because:
1. When he did it, it wasn't unconstitutional, just common custom to stop after 2 terms. Ulysses Grant seriously considered trying for a 3rd term, although he didn't end up actually running again. After FDR, they passed the 22nd Amendment to prevent it from happening again.
2. He was winning easily. In his top year, he pulled 60% of the vote.
When FDR was elected the third time, Japan hadn't attacked yet.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 1) by Rich26189 on Friday August 11 2017, @03:10PM (3 children)
I agree, it may not be that much but it occurs. The story, voter fraud in Mass, was reported a few days ago even on one of our local NPR stations but a DDG search only turns of conservative sources for reference.
http://wetheconservatives.com/2017/08/08/voter-fraud-massachusetts-government-workers-sold-illegal-aliens/ [wetheconservatives.com]
And, given that the state legislature wants to make this a sanctuary state using diversity as a weapon, it angers me.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Friday August 11 2017, @05:04PM (2 children)
Surely WBUR or whoever produced the story has a recording or transcript. Why not link to that?
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 12 2017, @09:01PM
'Cause, Fake News?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 13 2017, @12:31AM
Here's a link to WBUR's coverage. [wbur.org]
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Friday August 11 2017, @06:15PM (2 children)
1. The question wasn't about Trump getting a third term, it was about delaying the election in 2020, in other words keeping Trump in office even if the voters would rather have somebody else due to the alleged risk of fraudulent votes swinging the election. This would without question be a constitutional violation of the highest order.
2. As for the civil war you discuss, I get the distinct impression that Trump's base wouldn't mind that in the least. I think they believe they'd win and finally be able to do all the things they've been wanting to do for a long time, like kill off or at least lock up those who don't share their religion, and other undesirables.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday August 12 2017, @11:19AM (1 child)
Yeah, but as we've discussed many times in the past that's not a big deal anymore. The feelz are all that matter.
You're quite correct. I pointed out the same thing to my old progressive comrades-in-arms who have been waiting with bated breath for Trump to be impeached. The Trump base are "locked and loaded," champing at the bit for that civil war, and have been for 40 years. They are so ready for it. Let's not forget that there's a deep, deep well of nasty in those people, descended as they are from their forefathers who had no problem with slaughtering native Americans and enslaving millions of Africans and subjugating millions of Latin- and South Americans by proxy.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Saturday August 12 2017, @09:33PM
Everyone has a deep well of nasty. That's part of being human. And I wager most people of the Americas who've been here more than a few generations descend in part from your categories of black hats. Judging people by their ancestors is a pretty racist thing to do, wouldn't you think?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11 2017, @03:07PM (1 child)
We give you the best fake news! Wake up people! The democrats are doing this, not the republicans. They're just going along for the ride
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 11 2017, @04:01PM
Doing what, conducting a poll?