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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday September 20 2017, @02:06PM   Printer-friendly
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Net neutrality advocates are planning two days of protest in Washington DC this month as they fight off plans to defang regulations meant to protect an open internet.

A coalition of activists, consumer groups and writers are calling on supporters to attend the next meeting of the Federal Communications Commission on 26 September in DC. The next day, the protest will move to Capitol Hill, where people will meet legislators to express their concerns about an FCC proposal to rewrite the rules governing the internet.

The FCC has received 22 million comments on "Restoring Internet Freedom", the regulator's proposal to dismantle net neutrality rules put in place in 2015. Opponents argue the rule changes, proposed by the FCC's Republican chairman Ajit Pai, will pave the way for a tiered internet where internet service providers (ISPs) will be free to pick and choose winners online by giving higher speeds to those they favor, or those willing or able to pay more.

The regulator has yet to process the comments, and is reviewing its proposals before a vote expected later this year.

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/sep/15/washington-dc-net-neutrality-protests-restoring-internet-freedom


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @02:57PM (51 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @02:57PM (#570627)

    Concretely: Quit running to daddy; build your own fucking networks.

    We've tried that. Every time it happens the local cable and phone monopolies run crying to daddy government to buy laws to outlaw any challenge to their business model scam.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @02:59PM (50 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @02:59PM (#570630)

    Obviously, you net neutrality folks should be putting time into getting government completely out of the business of the Internet.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @03:16PM (17 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @03:16PM (#570636)

      Now why would we do that? If there's no regulation whatsoever, there's nothing to keep you big business types from using monopoly tactics to squeeze out competition. I've never, ever seen you "free market" cunts scream about regulation when it helps to shut down municipal broadband. Not once. Municipal broadband is the very definition of that which you cling to, yet it's *crickets* from you whenever it comes under attack.

      You actually WANT regulation, you just want it set up to only benefit YOU. I have only three words to say to that: Go, fuck, and yourself.

      • (Score: 1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @03:23PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @03:23PM (#570638)

        Regulation is what squeezes out the newcomer by making the barrier to entry that hurdle which a Big Business has already cleared.

        Indeed, a government regulatory agency is itself a goddamn monopoly; you want a monopoly to protect you from monopolies—it makes no sense!

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @03:46PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @03:46PM (#570648)

          Yes, I want a monopoly controlled by we the people to protect us from monopolies controlled by C-level sociopaths. How is that so hard to understand?

          Then again, on second thought, maybe you're right. "We the people" gave us fucking Trump and a Republican house and senate. CLEARLY "we the people" can't be trusted with that level of power.

          • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @05:06PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @05:06PM (#570714)

            Yes, I want a monopoly controlled by we the people to protect us

            Thanks for the laugh. The US government controlled by "we the people". Hee hee! What a riot.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @10:38PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @10:38PM (#570880)

            If net neutrality were the only issue in the election, I would've voted for Hillary Clinton.

            Trouble is, on 100% of the other issues with disagreement, she was horrible. Unlike her and her voters, I don't hate America. I don't feel guilty for being part of the greatest civilization ever, and I have no desire to see that civilization brought down.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by JNCF on Wednesday September 20 2017, @03:47PM (1 child)

        by JNCF (4317) on Wednesday September 20 2017, @03:47PM (#570649) Journal

        I've never, ever seen you "free market" cunts scream about regulation when it helps to shut down municipal broadband. Not once. Municipal broadband is the very definition of that which you cling to, yet it's *crickets* from you whenever it comes under attack.

        "'Free market' cunts" is an awfully large umbrella; at least in this context, I definitely fall under it (see my OpenLibernet post above). Here I am on SN, over two years ago, arguing that municipal governments should be given the means to defend their own internet infrastructures. [soylentnews.org] Now you've seen it.

        • (Score: 2) by JNCF on Wednesday September 20 2017, @03:52PM

          by JNCF (4317) on Wednesday September 20 2017, @03:52PM (#570654) Journal

          Err, over three years ago. Time is weird.

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 20 2017, @03:50PM (10 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday September 20 2017, @03:50PM (#570653) Homepage Journal

        You haven't paid any attention whatsoever to what I've said on Capitalism and how Monopolies have no place in them then. You should try opening your eyes and reading once in a while.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @05:37PM (9 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @05:37PM (#570732)

          I doubt that is the case, people hear you and try and point out your naivety but you refuse to accept that your model is broken. The free market inevitably leads to behemoth corporations since putting everything under one umbrella enables ever higher profit margins. The behemoths influence legislation, so round and round we go.

          I think the free market is a marvelous idea! But there is no place for human greed or unethical practices. Those things HAVE to go.

          See how stupid my position is? Yours is only slightly better, but comparing shit to worse shit isn't a validation.

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 20 2017, @06:34PM (8 children)

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday September 20 2017, @06:34PM (#570765) Homepage Journal

            "My model" has created essentially every prosperous nation the world has ever seen. I'll stand by that record any day.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @07:08PM (7 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @07:08PM (#570792)

              I'll stand right beside you with the sign saying "This man suffers from clinical psychosis." I wouldn't trust you beyond managing a 7/11, and even then I'd be worried you'd shoot a customer carrying a non-weapon in their jacket.

              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 20 2017, @07:23PM (6 children)

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday September 20 2017, @07:23PM (#570815) Homepage Journal

                S'what they get for walking around a chicken leg under their arm. Nice complete dodge of the issue, by the way.

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                • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @08:30PM (5 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @08:30PM (#570834)

                  The issue was capitalism and monopolies, and it was addressed by pointing out that capitalism leads to monopolies unless you have massive government regulation (non free market).

                  You responded with a red herring

                  "My model" has created essentially every prosperous nation the world has ever seen. I'll stand by that record any day.

                  I responded with a similar level of critical analysis regarding your mental condition.

                  You respond with:

                  S'what they get for walking around a chicken leg under their arm

                  Clearly you are a borderline psychotic who should have his firearm license replaced with a nice padded cell.

                  Nice complete dodge of the issue, by the way.

                  You are correct, I did not address your stupid point because it was stupid. You want to look at only the positives and ignore the negatives, you should change your name to The MIghty Ostrich. You need some learnin' boy, most of the US domination has been through shady tactics of empire building and has little to do with capitalism vs. communism.

                  • (Score: 2, Disagree) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 20 2017, @08:57PM (4 children)

                    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday September 20 2017, @08:57PM (#570845) Homepage Journal

                    You refuse to address the issue because you are wrong and you know it. Capitalism has created the vast majority of the world's wealth. Socialism and Communism have destroyed more wealth than they have created.

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                    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @10:48PM (3 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @10:48PM (#570883)

                      Why bother arguing with an ideologue? Common sense doesn't matter, just your crappy simplistic viewpoint of the world. China would beg to differ, it took them a while to catch up but they're about to leave the US and other Western countries in the dust. You'll be that old semi-senile guy yelling "capitalism!" while all the young folks go about building a better world. Most likely it will involve capitalism, because as I always say the world needs a mix. Only morons such as yourself think capitalism is the end-all-be-all. I blame propaganda, but I also adhere to certain amounts of personal responsibility and lay the blame upon you as well for being too lazy to get a real education.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @12:11AM (2 children)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @12:11AM (#570918)

                        Why bother arguing with an ideologue?

                        Why did you bother typing out a full paragraph to say "nuh uh!"?

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @04:51PM (1 child)

                          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @04:51PM (#571241)

                          Cause going through the trouble of getting sources about socialized healthcare is a waste of time, your brain twists around, moves the goal posts, and does back flips coming up with reasons that reality is wrong. Posting a quick paragraph about your stupidity is easy, spending time on documenting exactly WHY is time consuming and therefore not something I'll do for an argument with an ostrich.

                          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @05:05PM

                            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @05:05PM (#571253)

                            I'm not TMB. I'm just an AC asking you why you think playground namecalling is anything more than your own mental masterbation.

                            Interesting to note that you think backing up your own viewpoints is too time consuming.

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @03:28PM (31 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @03:28PM (#570640)

      Yeah, because that'll work great! Hell, the 'free market' can't even do health care worth a crap. The U.S.'s free market is more expensive and no better to less effective than pretty much any other industrialized country on the planet. Did I mention your 'free market' is MORE expensive. LOL. And that's in a market that doesn't have a physical restriction of having to have infrastructure running to every building. You need to stop fantasizing about your imaginary 'free market', get off your unicorn, put the meth down, and join the rest of us in the real world..

      • (Score: 2, Disagree) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 20 2017, @03:53PM (30 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday September 20 2017, @03:53PM (#570655) Homepage Journal

        The free market gave the US the most advanced healthcare industry on the planet despite massive government interference. Care to try again?

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        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @04:14PM (25 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @04:14PM (#570673)

          What exactly do we have, other than high costs, that other countries don't?

          Other countries have lower rates of infant mortality. Other countries have longer life expectancy. Other countries have lower rates of obesity. The only thing we're "most advanced" at with health care is how much we spend on it.

          Try being one of the tens of millions of Americans without health insurance and then tell us all how advanced our health care system is.

          • (Score: 2, Disagree) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 20 2017, @04:18PM (24 children)

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday September 20 2017, @04:18PM (#570675) Homepage Journal

            Sell that garbage to someone that doesn't know that other countries rely on the advances in healthcare that the American market has created. Consider for a moment every healthcare advancement that's come out of the US and then picture the world without any of them.

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            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @05:13PM (8 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @05:13PM (#570716)

              Care to separate those advances which were developed at public universities or using research grants from NIH or other government agencies vs. those made by for-profit health institutions using their own moneys?

              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 20 2017, @06:19PM (7 children)

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday September 20 2017, @06:19PM (#570755) Homepage Journal

                Let's do it the easy way instead. You point out a significant medical advancement from a nation that at the time had socialized medicine and I'll point out two from just the US.

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                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @08:34PM (5 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @08:34PM (#570838)

                  ongoing socialized medicine [nhsggc.org.uk]

                  Nice goal post moving, you're an intellectual GIANT TMB, GIIIANNNT /s

                  Guess you just can't face the facts that so much of the US advances are funded by tax payers, your poor model of perfection is so iiiiignoraaant. You're an ignorant FOOL TMB, ignorant as FUCK. If you'd at least stop posting that shit online like its the second coming of christ I wouldn't need to point out your deficiencies.

                  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 20 2017, @08:59PM (4 children)

                    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday September 20 2017, @08:59PM (#570846) Homepage Journal

                    Oh, you mean they're funded by capitalists who've had their money stolen? Yeah, no shit. There wouldn't be anything to steal if it weren't for capitalism.

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                    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @10:50PM (3 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @10:50PM (#570884)

                      You're really swinging for the fences here. I guess you really are the taxation is theft guy, TMB the bloody idiot.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @12:15AM (2 children)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @12:15AM (#570919)

                        When you have no valid argument, ad hominem, amirite?

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @04:54PM (1 child)

                          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @04:54PM (#571244)

                          That is the way TMB operates, I just have no desire to point out the problems with the base assertion that capitalism is the only reason humanity has advanced. It is arrogant and naive, and no amount of arguing will change the mind of the likes of him.

                          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @05:02PM

                            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @05:02PM (#571249)

                            And yet for all your enlightenment, the best you could come up with is a one-line post to call TMB names?

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @11:19PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @11:19PM (#570895)

                  You're the one who made the assertion. It's your responsibility to provide evidence for your claim.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @05:40PM (14 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @05:40PM (#570733)

              hahahahaha, yeah the US is the sole inventor of all modern technology. Get off your high horse you nit.

              • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 20 2017, @06:17PM (13 children)

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday September 20 2017, @06:17PM (#570753) Homepage Journal

                If you'd bother to check your history books, we damned near have been in healthcare for the past hundred years or so. This attitude of superiority comes from being genuinely superior.

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                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @07:13PM (12 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @07:13PM (#570798)

                  Yes, the US was the world leader for a long time after WWII due to our economic maneuvering. That doesn't make us inherently better, we were just lucky to be positioned so well after the war. But hey, you never let extenuating circumstances stop you from making stupid statements so please, do continue with your arrogant stupidity trying to sell US healthcare as a "better system".

                  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 20 2017, @07:26PM (11 children)

                    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday September 20 2017, @07:26PM (#570816) Homepage Journal

                    Yes, yes it very much does make us better when the metric is what system has produced the most medical advances in the world. Do please tell us how socialism or communism is better even though it has failed to produce anything worthwhile every single time it has been tried at a national level.

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                    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @08:21PM (10 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @08:21PM (#570830)

                      Because all the data on socialized healthcare shows it is better for the citizens and private healthcare options are still able to exist, but they must compete on a level playing field instead of their monopolistic insurance influenced field. Suck a dick you red herring piece of crap.

                      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday September 20 2017, @09:02PM (9 children)

                        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday September 20 2017, @09:02PM (#570847) Homepage Journal

                        No, it most certainly does not. All the data shows that you get shitty care and insane waits for any kind of treatment. Even if you're willing to pay more. Why the hell do you think so many people come to the US for treatment?

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                        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @09:42PM (8 children)

                          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @09:42PM (#570859)

                          Why the hell do you think so many people come to the US for treatment?

                          Not GP, but to answer your question, look at the numbers, they don't. Comparatively, very few people come to the US for treatment. Although I do agree that the numbers are indicative of the quality of the US's health care system (spoiler: it sucks)

                          • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @10:53PM (7 children)

                            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @10:53PM (#570887)

                            He doesn't care about facts, he only cares about propaganda. Dude is fucking dumb. All this same shit has been trotted out before, but he always returns to the same crap arguments that ignore reality. My guess is he just can't BELIEVE the US empire is falling so he's falling back on the comfortable and familiar dreams.

                            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @12:09AM (6 children)

                              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @12:09AM (#570917)

                              So, all you got is ad hominem...

                              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @04:26AM (5 children)

                                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @04:26AM (#570979)

                                It's not ad hominem to say someone doesn't care about the facts, and are kind of dumb, when they just made an easily checked and objectively false statement. To declare the US health care system is the best on the planet is patently false and not backed up by data. To rave about 'why do so many people come to the US for health care' when less then half the number of people go to the US as go to Iran is absurd. That the poster doesn't care about facts is not ad hominem, it's just a fact.

                                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @04:28PM (4 children)

                                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @04:28PM (#571219)

                                  The statement "Dude is fucking dumb" is ad hominem, and it is pathetically deceitful of you to try to claim otherwise. If the false statement is so easily checked and objectively demonstrated to be false, why not post THAT instead of a post that a third-grader would be ashamed of?

                                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @05:37PM (3 children)

                                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @05:37PM (#571277)

                                    The original 'Dude is fucking dumb', wasn't me. But the only thing improper about the statement is the term 'fucking" and while it distracts from the point and is not helpful, it's not really ad-hominem.

                                    dumb
                                                  adj 1: slow to learn or understand; lacking intellectual acuity;
                                                                "so dense he never understands anything I say to him";
                                                                "never met anyone quite so dim"; "although dull at
                                                                classical learning, at mathematics he was uncommonly
                                                                quick"- Thackeray; "dumb officials make some really
                                                                dumb decisions"; "he was either normally stupid or
                                                                being deliberately obtuse"; "worked with the slow
                                                                students" [syn: {dense}, {dim}, {dull}, {obtuse}, {slow}]

                                    I think that in this case, I'd give the benefit of the doubt and go with 'being deliberately obtuse' as the most accurate use of the term dumb. But i think 'dumb' is a perfectly valid word choice for someone who deliberately and repeatedly spouts obvious untruths. It's accurate, not ad-hominem.

                                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @07:25PM (2 children)

                                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @07:25PM (#571345)

                                      But i think 'dumb' is a perfectly valid word choice for someone who deliberately and repeatedly spouts obvious untruths. It's accurate, not ad-hominem.

                                      ad hominem [thefreedictionary.com]
                                      adj.
                                      1. Attacking a person's character or motivations rather than a position or argument
                                      2. Appealing to the emotions rather than to logic or reason.

                                      True or not, attacking the person rather than the argument is ad hominem, and is an invalid debate tactic.

                                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @10:42PM (1 child)

                                        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @10:42PM (#571446)

                                        In retrospect, I have to agree. Calling the poster dumb was ad hominem, calling the action dumb would not have been.

                                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 22 2017, @12:22AM

                                          by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 22 2017, @12:22AM (#571487)

                                          Whoa, wait, what? Listen, pal, that's not how it works around here. Once you've made a claim, you stick to it no matter what.

                                          Seriously, though, I look forward to throwing more ideas around with you, AC, to see what bits break off whose ideas first. =)

        • (Score: 2) by Hyperturtle on Wednesday September 20 2017, @04:26PM

          by Hyperturtle (2824) on Wednesday September 20 2017, @04:26PM (#570684)

          I think the problem is coverage, not quality.

          (I won't even get into who is eligble for said coverage and how to fund it)

          I have to wonder if some of our incredibly expensive cures would be less expensive of the economies of scale were to kick in -- or if only people like the pharma bro guy are responsible for many of the costs of what could be cheap, but isn't.

          Anyway, a taxpayer handout for everyone to get covered, plus jerks like him and his business plans to raise prices because he can -- clearly will make any solution cost more than it has to, even if we had remained with what we had before the ACA. It's insurance that pays through the nose most of the time, and our system makes our premiums go up in part due to that kind of greed.

          But there's no question the US has among the most advanced medical care systems for diagnosis and treatments that one could hope for. In intractable problem is that many people hope to be a part of it and don't have the resources to do so.

          Preventative maintenance coverage could do a lot to keep costs down...while still offending nearly everyone as not being enough in either direction.

          Regardless, I'd pay a few more bucks in taxes* as part of some massive government initiative to try to prevent the spread of preventable illnesses and raise the standard of living, but that opinion is not shared by everyone.

          *I don't know what that amount actually is, but my opinion of what acceptable costs would be based on what actually is proposed and who is actually covered...the sky is not the limit

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @04:39PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @04:39PM (#570693)

          If you weren't a poor person you could have traveled to other countries to see their healthcare systems for yourself.
          Maybe there is some million dollar an hour dick extension surgeon somewhere in the USA but the average joe schmoe might as well go to fucking china.

        • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @05:00PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 20 2017, @05:00PM (#570711)

          US the most advanced healthcare industry on the planet

          You almost owe me a new keyboard, good times. Well let's see, the U.S. is sooo advanced we must have the longest life spans... Japan, Switzerland, heck can't even see the U.S. on that list. Well it must be child mortality?... Luxemburg, Iceland... nope the U.S. is far, far down the list.

          Hmm, well the US must be so obviously better than everyone else that people must come to the U.S. in droves to get a piece of the fantastic level of health care available here. How many Health tourist does the U.S. get? Let's go with the high end, the U.S. gets like 85K health tourist! It MUST be the best, go USA, go USA!... But wait, Singapore gets 400K+ people a year, that just must be an outlier, ohhh, Thailand gets 400K+ too, and Malayasia 340K+. Okay who compares to the US, wait Iran gets 200K+, India 150K+, fuck, the US must really suck.

          Well how does the US compare in health ranks by the WHO? Is it in the top 10?... nope. Top 20 for fucksake?... nope.

          Your beliefs seem to be based on delusions of nationalism. Brother, I'd suggest you get some mental health care, but considering the health care system your in, well, your screwed.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @01:11AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 21 2017, @01:11AM (#570937)

            But President Reagan got rid of it back in the 80s :)