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Claiming a shortage of workers for the hospitality industry, Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago club has requested and obtained permission to hire 70 foreign workers. The claim of a shortage of available workers is disputed:
'"We currently have 5,136 qualified candidates in Palm Beach County for various hospitality positions listed in the Employ Florida state jobs database," CareerSource spokesman Tom Veenstra said Friday.'
70 is a slight increase over last year, when 64 foreign workers were hired.
"Making America Great Again" by hiring foreigners? Perhaps what is required is higher pay, not foreigners.
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Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago Estate Gets Permission to Hire 70 Foreign Workers
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by linkdude64 on Monday November 13 2017, @04:20PM (17 children)
"President Trump is permitted by his staff, by Congress, and by the Judiciary to postpone handling issues of national and global importance to personally direct and oversee the hiring managers' business practices at the Trump Mar-A-Lago resort, under the ownership of a company he is no longer the head of."
What?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 13 2017, @04:55PM (8 children)
I'm not 100% sure what your comment is... but you don't see the hypocrisy and problem with this?
Donald Trump, who has campaigned and constantly spoken of on "Put America First" and "Make America Great Again" is importing low wage foreign workers despite Americans looking for work?
Even if Trump didn't personally sign the hiring, you have to admit that with such a visible and directly associated connection, *somebody* should have thought better... or once it comes to his attention the President could give a literally 30-second phone call to stop it and literally put his money where his mouth is.
As for everybody saying it is okay, that doesn't make it any better. For example, all those same people would say it is "permitted" for him to urinate on the floor of the reception hall of the White House. It's still a horrible idea, and would rightly lead to a scandal if he did so.
(Score: 1, Troll) by linkdude64 on Monday November 13 2017, @05:16PM (7 children)
"don't see the hypocrisy and problem with this"
That word doesn't mean what you think it means. Hypocrisy means "behavior that contradicts what one claims to believe or feel."
Let's objectively examine the situation:
President Donald Trump feels that American businesses should hire more American workers. However, President Donald Trump is not the owner, leader, or hiring manager, of any private corporation. His public organization, the Presidency, has almost exclusively hired American workers.
A completely separate individual, the Hiring Manager at the Trump Mar-A-Lago Resort, feels that money, time, or effort could be saved by hiring foreign workers. As the hiring manager of Trump Mar-A-Lago Resort, they have not made public appearances in which they state their positions on hiring foreign workers, however, they have recently gotten approval to hire 70 of these workers, so it is likely that the hiring Manager of the resort supports hiring foreign workers.
What is so complicated about this situation?
"Donald Trump, who has campaigned and constantly spoken of on "Put America First" and "Make America Great Again" is importing low wage foreign workers despite Americans looking for work?
Donald Trump is not the hiring manager of the Trump Mar-A-Lago Resort. Donald Trump is the President of the United States.
"once it comes to his attention the President could give a literally 30-second phone call to stop it and literally put his money where his mouth is."
Are you suggesting that if Trump stopped doing his job as the President to make hiring decisions at one of his resorts, that you would be supportive of it? I'd think you would be outraged, so why would you suggest him putting the country's affairs on hold to make the call?
This is a case of "damned if he does, damned if he doesn't" and it is certainly an all-too-common logical dead-end.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Grishnakh on Monday November 13 2017, @05:21PM (4 children)
Wow, you don't think Trump, who *owns* the resort, has some sort of say in its policies, even if he doesn't run its day-to-day operations?
You're seriously deluded. Typical Trump supporter.
(Score: 1, Troll) by linkdude64 on Monday November 13 2017, @06:42PM (3 children)
It doesn't matter what you or I "THINK" any more than it matters what you or I "feel" what matters is reality. Donald Trump does not run the Trump business. Donald Trump is President of the United States.
Substantiate your argument that Donald Trump is responsible for the hiring practices at Trump Mar A Lago Resort either with evidence or inference, or re-examine your claim. Trump has been busy traveling all over the World, meeting with foreign leaders, etc. Do you really expect any independent third party to find it reasonable that the fucking hiring manager at Trump Mar A Lago Resort has a red phone sitting on his desk so he can ask at any time, "Hey Prez, tell Shinzo to shut up a minute and put your Generals in the Pacific on hold, we need to hire a few bagboys and carpet cleaners - do you have any ideas how we can get them for cheap?"
You need to find out what is broken in your worldview, where you believe this could be occuring. Whatever it is, it is seriously insane.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Grishnakh on Monday November 13 2017, @07:25PM (2 children)
Wow, you are a seriously stupid, stupid, stupid person, and you'll defend Trump no matter what. Trump owns the resort, yes? His hiring manager therefore still answers to him, and can be assumed to be acting in Trump's interests. His hiring manager should have known that hiring foreigners would look bad for Trump, given his campaign claims about putting Americans to work. So if Trump really believed that shit, he'd be publicly disavowing this hiring manager and working to get him fired, even if he has to request this from some family member who still has power over the place. But we don't hear anything from Trump, therefore we can assume he agrees with the decision.
(Score: 1, Troll) by linkdude64 on Monday November 13 2017, @08:53PM (1 child)
Wow, that is seriously not, not, not an argument, and you cannot substantiate any of your claims, no matter what.
Even if I am an idiot, I am an idiot who is very clearly objectively better than you at collecting, processing, and re-communicating information. My claim is - at minimum - both reasonable and factually verifiable; that the President of the United States is not a mid-level manager at a vacation resort, and thus has nothing to do with their operation. You would fail with flying colors in a formal debate setting; If you cannot operate in a framework of arguments based on reason and evidence, it is because you are incapable. Simple as that.
Let's test your reasoning here, for example.
"Trump said he is going to give me $1. "
"..."
"Obviously we haven't heard anything from Trump, therefore we can assume he agrees with my decision."
You are a laughingstock. You cannot distinguish objective information, and even if you could, are incapable of processing it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 14 2017, @03:00PM
your argument is a poor retort.
managers are hired to manage, not report everything to the boss. if i claimed trump would give me $1 to someone in a position to give me $1 of trumps money, i would expect that person to either just say no or wait for evidence before even bothering to further validate the claim
anyone in a similar position would use their critical thinking to just tell a beggar like you that panhandling is probably illegal and get off the private properly, without bothering to look up the specifics nor calling their boss about it unless the beggar became a persistent recurring problem
i would like to support your arguments because i dont really like trump, but you sound more like a desperate person now with these irrational arguments as baseline examples
trump will hear about this for sure, the hiring of foreigners, because it WILL hurt is credibility, whether they want $1 for the efforts or not.
he'll have to respond eventually, but he may pull a rabbit out of his hat to draw attention to something else while his propaganda team tries to do damage control.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by linkdude64 on Monday November 13 2017, @06:51PM (1 child)
Loving the Troll modifiers I'm getting.
Certainly, my entire comment was constructed with the sole purpose of inflaming someone else; namely "you" (the down-modder) as your feelings are my top priority. After all, you are the Special Snowflake - the ones everyone's opinions and worldviews are based around - whether in support of, or against.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 14 2017, @12:26AM
Who the hell pulled your chain trumpflake.
(Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Monday November 13 2017, @05:07PM (6 children)
Same question to you: what?
Where did your "quote" come from?
systemd is Roko's Basilisk
(Score: 2, Insightful) by linkdude64 on Monday November 13 2017, @05:23PM (5 children)
The quote is a summary of the apparent belief of the original commenter.
For Trump to be responsible for the hiring practices of the Trump Mar A Lago Resort, he must be the hiring manager or general manager of the Trump Mar A Lago Resort, or at a CEO, or perhaps hold a seat on the Board of Directors of the Trump business.
However, Donald Trump is not the hiring manager of the Trump Mar A Lago Resort, nor does he hold any administrative positions of the Trump company. Donald Trump is actually the President of the United States! It sounds silly, but seems apparent that the original commenter seems to have separated his consciousness from present reality some time around late 2016 - the last time Donald Trump had anything to do with the Trump business.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday November 13 2017, @06:05PM (4 children)
> late 2016 - the last time Donald Trump had anything to do with the Trump business.
For someone with no interest in it, he sure loves to give the Trump organization a lot of free advertising !
That's clearly a terrible business move on his part.
(Score: 1, Troll) by linkdude64 on Monday November 13 2017, @06:25PM (3 children)
"For someone with no interest in it, he sure loves to give the Trump organization a lot of free advertising !"
Whether or not he has "interest" in Trump MarALago's hiring practices, or in SpaceX, or in Russia, is completely irrelevant; he has no control over any of them.
"That's clearly a terrible business move on his part."
What business? Donald Trump does not run a business, he is the President of the United States. It's like you are hallucinating or something - every time you see Trump at the podium of the White House, instead of the Presidential Seal, your mind substitutes it for a pen graph of quarterly revenues and what impact on costs the new carpet-cleaning company had on its bottom line. Every time Trump takes off in Air Force One flying to an Air Force base for some classified intelligence briefing, you instead see Trump climbing into a mid-level Mercedes Benz and driving himself to a moderately-furnished apartment in a trendy part of town. I really cannot fathom what is going on with you.
Donald Trump is not a hiring manager or marketing rep for Trump Mar A Lago Resort, he is the President of the United States, and has absolutely nothing to do with Trump Mar A Lago Resort's hiring or business practices and policies.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday November 13 2017, @06:49PM (1 child)
Step 1: read the comment you're replying to.
President Trump, since Jan 20th, has said many times that the Trump hotels and the Mar-a-Lago resort are fantastic places. You can find that information.
You contend that he has no business relationship whatsoever with the Trump organization. Taking that at face value, I'm asking why he would give them free advertising. Famous people get paid for endorsements, so giving that for free is a bad business decision.
Does that make sense? Can you get out of your bubble of stories you tell yourself about other people, and understand what you are being told?
The fact that you are absolutely delusional about Trump's continuous relationship with, and influence on, his companies, doesn't even factor in this.
(Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Monday November 13 2017, @09:35PM
The moment you, the democratic party, or the MSM can prove that he is directly profiting from saying so, and that he is not simply speaking his honest belief, is the moment I will admit I was wrong. If anything, he has tarnished the Trump image by outright insulting some of the most powerful people and organizations in the world. Hillary got $1.2bn in campaign donations because she played by the book. Trump got $500m because he appealed to "poor stupid rednecks." Profit and brand image was very obviously not a sole motive from the start.
Nobody would hire an Ad Agency who lambasted them and their products, would they? Trump made the company so they share a name, he's the President, so the company's image correlates with his popularity. His much more frequently inflammatory actions and statements toward the MSM, who controls the radiowaves he is "advertising" on, if anything, supports the opposite position.
(Score: 4, Touché) by All Your Lawn Are Belong To Us on Monday November 13 2017, @09:46PM
Good. Then he can have a meeting (have his staff meet) with the ownership of Mar-A-Lago ownership and persuade them to change their policies, the same was he did with other U.S. businesses about to export jobs. That's fair, isn't it?
He can choose to not go there until they change their practices and go to Camp David instead. That's fair, isn't it?
He can Tweet about how unfair it is that Americans are being denied jobs at Mar-A-Lago because they import foreign workers. That's fair, isn't it?
This sig for rent.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by NewNic on Monday November 13 2017, @06:46PM
Are we talking about the same Donald Trump who, had he a shred of decency, would have divested himself of the ownership of Mar-A-Lago as all recent Presidents have done with their business interests?
Trump chose self-dealing. People are responsible for the businesses they own.
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