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President Trump's former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, pleaded guilty on Friday to lying to the F.B.I. about conversations with the Russian ambassador last December during the presidential transition, bringing the special counsel's investigation into the president's inner circle.
Mr. Flynn, who appeared in federal court in Washington, acknowledged that he was cooperating with the investigation by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, into Russian interference in the 2016 election. His plea agreement suggests that Mr. Flynn provided information to prosecutors, which may help advance the inquiry.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/us/politics/michael-flynn-guilty-russia-investigation.html
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Michael Flynn Pleads Guilty to Lying to the F.B.I.
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TOO BAD YOU CAN'T BUY a voodoo globe so that you could make the earth spin
real fast and freak everybody out.
-- Jack Handey, The New Mexican, 1988.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @12:59PM (18 children)
So you've given it a cute name. That doesn't make it wrong.
Your hypocrisy really does matter. Fairness also matters.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by TheGratefulNet on Saturday December 02 2017, @02:49PM (17 children)
its a cute name because the right, when confronted with how evil THEIR guy really is, refuse to directly reply and instead choose 'but but but .... HER EMAILS!'. or some other long dead issue that they refuse to let die.
its when you have nothing to say about the REAL CURRENT issue, that people say 'yeah, logical fallacy of 2017: whataboutism'.
and we will have none of it. when we see that as your argument, we laugh in your face. you just lost the argument when you dish out that old 'but her emails' or 'but benghazi!' or whatever old skeleton you want to use for distraction purposes.
"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
(Score: 4, Offtopic) by Gaaark on Saturday December 02 2017, @05:03PM (5 children)
"'but but but .... HER EMAILS!'. or some other long dead issue that they refuse to let die."
SHE refuses to let it die: remember a certain book she is pushing hard? Take all responsibility for not winning while blaming EVERYONE but herself or Wasserman-Schulz or Bill or......ad nauseum.
SHE does not let it die, why should they?
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Knowledge Troll on Saturday December 02 2017, @06:51PM (4 children)
Because as adults and normal people we should be able to do better than a lizard politician. Hilldawg is old news now - she is running around vacuuming up the last bits of money she can from her experiences in politics. Yes she is a terrible person but pointing it out isn't going to help anything. Let it go so she can fade out to history. Yeah she'll get richer and win more than us little people but that doesn't mean we can't be better persons than her.
Her name is just noise and bringing it up is just generating heat. Christ all-mighty even the most rabid liberals stopped complaining about the second Bush not too long after Obama took office to the degree that other liberals around you would shut you down for bringing him up because it was old news and not useful.
Bringing up Hillary or her emails or what ever does absolutely nothing useful at all. It might raise your standing in your social network if you are in one that is still hunting her but for those outside of that circle it is counter productive because people will not believe you have anything of value and you'll be discounted.
(Score: 2, Offtopic) by hemocyanin on Saturday December 02 2017, @10:03PM
The DNC is hellbent on repeating every mistake of 2016 possible. https://medium.com/@PlowPlot/tom-perezs-great-dnc-purge-of-sanders-supporters-isn-t-about-politics-6833feef7944 [medium.com]
So if you don't want to see Trump win a second term, it is important to keep reminding the DNC of recent history -- including its incompetence and complicity in bringing about a Trump presidency. This means refusing to allow it to ignore and make excuses for the abject failure of Clintonism (aka Republicanism) to motivate people by constantly bombarding the bastards with scorn till they crawl away and hide under the rock from whence the came. For-fucking-ever.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Whoever on Sunday December 03 2017, @12:22AM (1 child)
If we are going to follow a "whatabout" argument, then, why hasn't Kushner been indicted for his misrepresentations made under penalty of perjury in his SF86 form?
At this point, his security clearance should have been revoked many times over. Yes, I know that Trump has the authority to reinstate it, but that is what should have happened. The OPM or FBI or whoever granted his clearance should have revoked it and force Trump to reinstate it.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 03 2017, @08:44AM
Because Muelluer is going up the food chain. Just because nothing happened to Kushner yet doesn't mean nothing will happen.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 03 2017, @01:46AM
The second Bush went off to quietly make oil paintings. Why can't she do that?
Republicans peacefully took their loss. They didn't riot in multiple cities, burning vehicles. They didn't shoot a group of democrat congress members -- which was very good for you because republicans shoot better than Bernie supporters. They didn't assault a democrat member of congress as he innocently mowed his lawn. They didn't beat a Hillary supporter with a bike lock. Switching the identities around, you've done all that.
Why can't you be peaceful? You're acting like the fictional Trump supporters that you claimed would riot if there were a Hillary win.
Before the election, you said that Trumps was threatening democracy by suggesting that the election could be stolen. Now you claim it was... yet still oppose any measures to ensure election integrity because you damn well know who was committing fraud that night and thought she had stolen enough votes.
So no, we aren't going to forget her. She isn't old news until you can fully condemn her, accepting Trump as the clearly better choice and the fully legitimate winner. You need to accept that you voted for a terrible person, and that Trump is in fact not terrible.
It's too bad you get to enjoy our rapidly improving economy. You fought that. You don't deserve it.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Tangaroa on Saturday December 02 2017, @06:05PM (3 children)
When confronted with their guys being aggressively prosecuted for misdemeanors and trivial little matters that everyone in DC is guilty of, they point to the other side NOT being prosecuted for felonies and serious crimes up to and including treason. Their concern is called the Rule Of Law and it is basic civics that you should have learned in junior high school.
(Score: 5, Touché) by Knowledge Troll on Saturday December 02 2017, @07:02PM (2 children)
I'm not sure what you are talking about here, can you please elucidate? Is this in reference to the article at hand and lying to the FBI is a trivial matter everyone does? You may be right that everyone does it but I don't think I'd call it trivial. If there is something else you are thinking of please let me know I am genuinely curious.
I doubt that their concern is the rule of law actually. I'm not a Hilary fan by any means; in fact I don't like her at all. I originally wanted to see prosecution on the email handling issue, which was quite bad, and the assorted related issues like destruction of evidence. However to go back one hop in history of presidential administrations then worry about violation of the email handling processes for federal employees in that capacity and then think this is universal application of the rule of law to the problem is pure fantasy. There have been a large number of senior staff in the white house over the past few administrations from either party that have admitted to handling their email in the same way. I got over it because everyone is getting away with it so what really can be done?
True universal application of the law would include going after them unless the statute of limitations has been exceeded. I don't think anyone claiming they want to prosecute HIllary to maintain the rule of law has any interest at all in going back to figure out who else needs to have the book thrown at them including people in their party.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 03 2017, @02:21AM (1 child)
Trump supporters really dislike the Bush crime family. It's like this...............
It starts way back with the father of the older one. He tried to organize a coup (the fascist "Business Plot") and he fought McCarthy's effort to protect our country from communism.
Then the older one was involved in some shady stuff. He ran the CIA, and was in Dallas when JFK was shot. Hmmm.
Then the older one got to be VP under Reagan. Oddly, Reagan got shot. Hmmm.
Finally we elected him, the democrats having offered a clone of Carter as an alternative. Bush jacked up taxes and took away gun rights. WTF??? This is not what we wanted. He also did lots of globalist shit that later led to job losses. Grrr...
Bush would've signed NAFTA. We tried for Perot, knowing that'd probably fail, and let a democrat win. Bill also screwed us, signing NAFTA. Well, the alternative was Bush signing it.
Along comes the second Bush. Aw, fuck. He's a dipshit, but the alternative is Gore. Gore openly wants to fuck our economy. OK, well Bush it is then.
Then we're offered Kerry. He seemed kind of slimy, and "better the devil you know", so Bush again. Ugh. That was an unpleasant vote.
McCain is yet another globalist, as is Obama. Why do they all hate America? I think most of us went for McCain, very reluctantly, but Obama got out the vote and won.
Romney is yet another awful globalist. His career was buying up American companies, getting rid of American workers, and then selling the companies. Can you see why we didn't elect him?
For 2016, it was looking like another Bush/Clinton battle. WTF. Get us off this merry-go-round of globalists. Oh, there's this wild guy Trump who at least bothers to promise the right stuff and has a history of energetically getting shit done. Let's try that! So we gave heartburn to the entire republican establishment, few of whom give a shit about America. We're now enthusiastically trying to work with Bannon to chuck the unpatriotic congress critters, mostly via the republican primaries.
...............so we're totally down with prosecuting a Bush or two. They can join the Clintons at a supermax prison. Let's do it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 03 2017, @03:57PM
"He ran the CIA, and was in Dallas when JFK was shot. Hmmm."
and had just had a successful practice run with noriega
(Score: 4, Insightful) by edIII on Saturday December 02 2017, @07:29PM (5 children)
Maybe so, but that bitch should still be locked up for lying to the FBI too, among other things. She is one of the most corrupt pieces of shit in Washington. I wouldn't mind Obama going in there, but it's a bit more contentious to label him a traitor and make it stick in the eyes of the law. Obama is just one of the biggest liars on the planet.
My idea? LOCK THEM ALL UP. Hillary, Bill, Obama, Bush, Darth Vader (Bush's VP), Trump, Flynn, Manafort, Pence, and Trump's fucking abhorrent Children of the Corn too.
Nobody has really suffered any consequences in politics, at least not at that level. We get a couple of Senators from time to time, but those are the idiots too brazen with their crimes. The "quiet" crimes from all of the other Senators, like dark money, bribes, etc. still goes on every second of the day. Something makes them betray the people for monied interests.
Yeah, there is a lot of whataboutism going on, but seriously, WHAT ABOUT IT? Nobody from any side in politics is receiving justice. This isn't really justice either, but more like getting Al Capone on taxes. Flynn is guilty of COLLUSION with Russia, along with Manafort. Fuck going for perjury, let's go for TREASON. You know, the one with a DEATH PENALTY.
Let's kill some people in government for their traitorous actions. Maybe that might get politics moving in the right direction again.... consequences for people's actions.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday December 02 2017, @09:32PM (1 child)
Amen, brother. Burn them all.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Saturday December 02 2017, @10:06PM
Forget the politicians -- employees are a dime a dozen -- look harder at their employers.
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Saturday December 02 2017, @09:57PM (1 child)
Who do you want in the oval office then?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @11:09PM
We'll just have to keep imprisoning anyone who gets into the oval office if they can't stop violating the Constitution. Not supporting things such as the NSA's unconstitutional mass surveillance, the TSA, the countless undeclared wars going on overseas, etc. is a must. If there were real consequences for violating the law and/or the Constitution, we would have fewer violators.
(Score: 5, Informative) by tonyPick on Sunday December 03 2017, @03:42PM
Except that, according to the FBI, she didn't:
http://uk.businessinsider.com/fbi-director-house-oversight-committee-2016-7 [businessinsider.com]
You can argue she's been dishonest in a number of ways, however proving perjury involves more than demonstrating that: See http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/proved-perjury-charges-hillary-clinton/story?id=41451995 [go.com]
But starting off mentioning something you would *like* to be true as a fact, even though it's not, isn't making your argument any more convincing.
(Score: 2, Redundant) by cubancigar11 on Saturday December 02 2017, @07:39PM
Ugh... NO! Hey but wait... haven't you yourself engaged in "Whataboutism" just now???? This is the true face of left - it is bunch of crooks who want to carve out a niche for genuine frauds. "Oooh being a snake is so much better than being a toxic tiger."
Just because HC's name is associated anywhere, it doesn't make a fraudulent made-up word like "whataboutism" any credible. It belongs to politicians trying to fool the simple minded, not in any serious discussion.