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posted by janrinok on Saturday December 02 2017, @11:59AM   Printer-friendly

President Trump's former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, pleaded guilty on Friday to lying to the F.B.I. about conversations with the Russian ambassador last December during the presidential transition, bringing the special counsel's investigation into the president's inner circle.

Mr. Flynn, who appeared in federal court in Washington, acknowledged that he was cooperating with the investigation by the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, into Russian interference in the 2016 election. His plea agreement suggests that Mr. Flynn provided information to prosecutors, which may help advance the inquiry.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/us/politics/michael-flynn-guilty-russia-investigation.html


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday December 02 2017, @01:03PM (40 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday December 02 2017, @01:03PM (#604246) Homepage Journal

    > pleaded guilty on Friday to conversations with the Russian ambassador lying to the F.B.I.

    Erm... you're going to need to point out where GP, the summary, TFA, or your links said differently. I can't find it. So you're essentially saying exactly what GP said but with misleading nonsense thrown in.

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @01:25PM (30 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @01:25PM (#604251)

    Wow, you completely misread that. Compare my "modified" quote to the original quote in TFS.

    Anyway, GGP said Obama administration approved conversations, which, true or not, is completely irrelevant. Flynn didn't plead guilty to having conversations, he pleaded guilty for LYING ABOUT IT to the FBI. If FBI interviewed Flynn on a rainy day, and he said it was sunny, it would be the exact same crime. For what it's worth, I do think it's a ridiculous law.

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday December 02 2017, @01:45PM

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday December 02 2017, @01:45PM (#604259) Homepage Journal

      Anyway, GGP said Obama administration approved conversations, which, true or not, is completely irrelevant.

      Thus the "As for the actual conversations," clause of that sentence. It lets the reader know they're entering a tangent rather than speaking directly to the point. You're getting worked up over something that simply is not there.

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Spamalope on Saturday December 02 2017, @02:22PM (26 children)

      by Spamalope (5233) on Saturday December 02 2017, @02:22PM (#604275) Homepage

      Was Flynn obligated to answer FBI questions as a condition of his employment? Because otherwise he shouldn't have answered except in writing and through an attorney. The interview process is dangerous for a careful, honest person. It's massively more dangerous for a salesman type who runs their mouth, whether they intend to mislead or not. I don't have a dog in this particular hunt, but am upset about the apparent double standards - corruption on that scale destroys faith in gov't - which destabilizes things.

      But really though, what's talking when they're looking for a way to 'turn' someone look like?

      Your interview is anywhere from a few hours to multiple days. Possibly extended until the desired result is achieved.

      You get a single detail wrong from any question: Jail
      You have mental superpowers and are able to answer perfectly even when the interviewers are trying to trip you up. (no actual person can do this) They have another person on record who gives details that differ from yours - even if you're right: Jail (they can presume the other person is right - their discretion)
      You answer correctly. The interviewer notes your answer incorrectly.: Jail (their record is the only one that matters)

      Thus lawyers having sudden memory loss when cornered - 'I don't recall' and such.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by TheGratefulNet on Saturday December 02 2017, @02:45PM (25 children)

        by TheGratefulNet (659) on Saturday December 02 2017, @02:45PM (#604283)

        sigh.

        guys, can't you understand? this is not about flynn. its about the upper mgmt! they are simply walking up the chain of command and will get the real bad guys (donny two-scoops, hopefully) in due time. this is what many people are expecting and its why last nite was such a great night for so many of us.

        we hate seeing our country stolen by the likes of the orange one and his gang. the sooner we can remove him and his corrupticians, the better. this country needs to return to something close to normal before its truly too late.

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        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday December 02 2017, @02:52PM (17 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday December 02 2017, @02:52PM (#604287) Journal

          Be careful what you wish for. Is it better to have the buffoon in charge, or to allow his handlers to just take over? You do realize that Trump won't be replaced by anyone you like.

          • (Score: 5, Insightful) by TheGratefulNet on Saturday December 02 2017, @03:01PM (16 children)

            by TheGratefulNet (659) on Saturday December 02 2017, @03:01PM (#604290)

            its time to TRULY drain the swamp.

            many believe that trump AND pence will both roll.

            this will cause many R's to switch sides and could change the landscape of things for the next election cycle.

            we're all hoping this can cause some return to normality. with ajit the idiot burning down the internet so the rich media and isp co's and divide it all up; and with the house trying to ram down the 'tax the poor even more' bill, we really need this whole exec team to be removed, as soon as possible.

            once one or two top guys are removed, it will have a healing effect and may even cause the R's to do some soul searching about what they really want to be seen as. right now, what they're seen as - is a word I should not use in polite company.

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            • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday December 02 2017, @03:55PM (1 child)

              by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday December 02 2017, @03:55PM (#604309) Homepage

              Hillary's stealing the nomination is what took the party down and they haven't learned a goddamn thing from it, still neglecting the White Americans in favor of minority welfare votes.

              There is still more trouble for the Democrats a-brewin -- Debbie and the Awan brothers, Obama's use of the deep state, the extent of Hillary's foreign gun-running and secret-selling, and illegals committing voter-fraud in favor of Clinton.

              And it's really a goddamn shame that there were no viable third-party candidates. Gary Johnson, for whom I had previously voted, went full-retard on the dude-weed and can barely hold a conversation without giggling every 5 seconds. Jill Stein is a hoary open-borders Jew who wanted to push our standard living to that of the third-world.

              Of course Bernie was typically Democratic and big on Socialism, which is a dog-whistle for welfare state with low standards of living, but at least he was also populist.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @06:25PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @06:25PM (#604342)

                Hillary's stealing the nomination is what took the party down and they haven't learned a goddamn thing from it

                They didn't learn from Humprey and McCarthy; why would they learn this time?

            • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Gaaark on Saturday December 02 2017, @05:07PM (2 children)

              by Gaaark (41) on Saturday December 02 2017, @05:07PM (#604320) Journal

              "could change the landscape of things for the next election cycle."

              From one toilet into another?

              Status quo, same old same old?

              You need REAL change, not Obama/Clinton change.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @07:02PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @07:02PM (#604349)

                > You need REAL change, not Obama/Clinton/Trump change.

                FTFY.

                • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday December 03 2017, @03:13AM

                  by Gaaark (41) on Sunday December 03 2017, @03:13AM (#604543) Journal

                  Sorry... thought that was a given :)

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            • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Saturday December 02 2017, @07:32PM (7 children)

              by Grishnakh (2831) on Saturday December 02 2017, @07:32PM (#604366)

              You can believe what you want about Pence "rolling" with him, but it's unlikely. If Trump goes down, we're going to be stuck with Pence, which is 100 times worse. Trump is a loud buffoon, but really we're better off with him than with Pence.

              • (Score: 2) by TheGratefulNet on Saturday December 02 2017, @08:37PM (6 children)

                by TheGratefulNet (659) on Saturday December 02 2017, @08:37PM (#604388)

                pence will try his religious shit and some will stick, perhaps; but once he's out and a new admin is in, it very likely will all be undone.

                the orange one, otoh, is burning the place to the ground. some things are harder to undo than others.

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                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @10:08PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @10:08PM (#604424)

                  Pence will have 0 popular support. Trump has his 35% loons. Once he's done, I don't see them rallying to the cause of religious piety and (more) tax cuts.

                  • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Saturday December 02 2017, @11:21PM

                    by Grishnakh (2831) on Saturday December 02 2017, @11:21PM (#604456)

                    Popular support isn't that important; support of Congress is. Trump doesn't have it, so he's not getting much done that can't be done with just executive orders. Pence is actually competent and has support from the GOP, and would get a lot of nasty stuff passed.

                • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Saturday December 02 2017, @11:06PM (3 children)

                  by Grishnakh (2831) on Saturday December 02 2017, @11:06PM (#604446)

                  Pence will have plenty of support from the Republicans in Congress, and he'll get a bunch of stuff passed. A new administration won't be able to get it easily undone because laws are hard to change once passed (look at Obamacare), and Democrats aren't going to sweep Congress despite the delusions of some Dem voters: GOP voters are just a lot better at getting out to vote unfortunately, especially in mid-term elections. The best Dems can hope for is a small majority in Congress, but that's about it and that's really unrealistic at this point; the DNC still hasn't recovered from last year and still has huge internal divisions.

                  The orange one isn't getting along well with Republicans in Congress and isn't getting anything passed. So far, what significant new laws has he signed?

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 03 2017, @01:25AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 03 2017, @01:25AM (#604502)

                    > GOP voters are just a lot better at getting out to vote

                    GOP operatives are just a lot better at gerrymandering the voting districts

                    FTFY

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 03 2017, @05:22AM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 03 2017, @05:22AM (#604579)

                    A new administration won't be able to get it easily undone because laws are hard to change once passed (look at Obamacare)

                    In general, yeas, but that's a bad example. If Rs spent an afternoon and crafted a repeal that wasn't outright Machiavellian, it would pass in a heartbeat... especially since they still own both houses of Congress.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 03 2017, @07:38AM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 03 2017, @07:38AM (#604592)

                      Most of the republicans are RINOs (Republican In Name Only) that have been paid well by the companies making money off of Obamacare.

                      The RINOs actually like having a democrat in the whitehouse. This lets them vote for things their donors hate, knowing that a presidential veto makes the gesture meaningless. The repeal they claimed to desire was just a way to win votes.

                      Now that they know Trump might actually sign a repeal, they have to find a different way to make it fail. The donors would be pissed if the repeal passed.

                      So the strategy is to fall one vote short. The RINO voting with the democrats is serving a master other than the voters. Who should that RINO be? Well, some choices...

                      It can be a person who will not run for reelection. McCain was this from the start, being really old. Now he's even dying of brain cancer.

                      It can be a person who gets blackmailed. The main currency traded in DC is not dollars or votes but dirt. Powerful people have dirt on everybody. With that, you can demand that somebody vote as you like. If a supposed republican votes against the repeal and isn't obviously not running for reelection, you can be sure there is a huge scandal. For example, maybe he's raping little boys and the senate majority leader reminds him of it before asking for a vote against repeal.

                      So that's all it is. They want the repeal to fail, due to money, and they find a way.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @09:47PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @09:47PM (#604412)

              Of course. The Republicans should want to be seen as Democrats in better-fitting suits, right?

              Hence the pervasive disgust with BOTH sides of the Demoplican Uniparty.

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday December 03 2017, @12:44AM

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday December 03 2017, @12:44AM (#604485) Journal

              many believe

              I'll bet none believe that they can be charged with insurrection. The talk I've heard over the past thirteen or fourteen months does lead to insurrection, or rebellion, mutiny and sedition charges. There has been a hell of a lot of ugly talk, which could lead to open civil war.

              You're being played for fools. Useful fools, to someone, but fools all the same.

            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 03 2017, @02:55AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 03 2017, @02:55AM (#604537)

              All you had to do was offer a patriotic American.

              You don't seem to have any, but supposing you did, the election was yours to win. They all are in fact. The trouble I believe is funding. We saw in 2016 that it takes $600 million to win or $1300 million to lose. Patriotic Americans don't get support from globalist corporations and they certainly don't get $200 million from dealing uranium. How is a patriotic American supposed to fund a campaign? He'd need fuck-you money like Perot, Trump or Notch.

              Other than the funding issue, it's damn easy: Support our rights, including gun rights. Stop immigration entirely, unless you can perfectly restrict it to small numbers of high-skilled non-Muslims. Build the wall. Deport millions of people who are depressing wages and stealing identity. Toss out the regulations that keep American factories from being competitive. Take action to eliminate the non-English areas that are forming in our country. Put us first in international negotiations; the Paris accords for example were unacceptable. Don't discriminate against Asians and whites, as democrats often do, or obviously against anybody else.

              If you take offense against being pro-American however, you deserve to lose.

        • (Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Saturday December 02 2017, @03:02PM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday December 02 2017, @03:02PM (#604291) Journal

          guys, can't you understand?

          Breaking the law is just fine as long as my team is the only one doing it!

        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @06:36PM (5 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @06:36PM (#604344)

          Because that is what you get.

          No, impeaching Donald Trump does not get you Hillary Clinton. No, it doesn't mean Bernie Sanders still has a chance; that was stolen a year and a half ago.

          You get Pence.

          Not that you can impeach him (determined by the House) or convict him (determined by the Senate) of course. Mueller can't do either. All he can do is bitch. Check the constitution; he has no power. The people with power are not going to impeach...

          ...but even if they did, you get Pence. Pence, Pence, Pence, glorious Pence! Wonderful Pence!

          We impeached Bill Clinton. Ever wonder why the Senate didn't convict him? Gore was your Pence.

          • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Knowledge Troll on Saturday December 02 2017, @07:15PM (4 children)

            by Knowledge Troll (5948) on Saturday December 02 2017, @07:15PM (#604357) Homepage Journal

            I'm hoping that the investigation is going to lead to the entire results of the election being called into question and it being invalidated. There might not be precedent for it but that doesn't mean we aren't ripe for a nice constitutional crisis. I agree removing Trump and getting Pence is bad and it would take a while of following the line of succession before I'd like the replacement.

            I've been told this is essentially calling for a coup but my argument is that if the election was influenced by external actors and illegally so with the knowledge, consent, and possibly even direction of the campaign that won we have found the true coup.

            • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @10:37PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @10:37PM (#604439)

              GUYS, BERNIE CAN STILL WIN!!!

            • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Saturday December 02 2017, @11:25PM

              by Grishnakh (2831) on Saturday December 02 2017, @11:25PM (#604459)

              Is there actually any law that can be used to call into question the election if it was "influenced" by external actors?

              After all, what do you consider campaign advertisements to be? They're attempting to influence voters, and they frequently use lies and half-truths. Are they somehow OK just because they're paid for by politicians (or these days, their PACs), and somehow Russian propaganda is "bad" because it's not American-made? That seems pretty ridiculous to me.

              The voters were exposed to lots of information, some true, some not so much, just like they have been in EVERY election. All political advertising is propaganda after all, plus we have freedom of speech here. The voters made their decision and cast their votes, and there's no evidence I've heard of that the actual voting results were tampered with.

              I'm sorry, I don't see how Russia being involved would change anything at all. Direct collusion between politicians and Russia would definitely look bad, and may even be illegal somehow, but I don't see how this can invalidate the election.

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 03 2017, @03:24AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 03 2017, @03:24AM (#604547)

              The senate election in New Hampshire was influenced by external actors (Massachusetts residents) and illegally so with the knowledge, consent, and possibly even direction of the campaign that won.

              You have a stolen senate seat.

              There are also external actors illegally in California, giving an extra 10 electoral votes to that state. To use your favored wording, this disenfranchises people elsewhere. Other states have the problem too, generally blue states. Based on this alone, the 2012 election was likely won via the presence external actors illegally here with the knowledge, consent, and possibly even direction of the campaign that won.

              Using a low estimate, 800,000 of those illegal aliens voted. That is enough to throw many states, obviously including Florida in 2012.

              You stole a presidential term.

              So, um, what do you propose to do about those?

              • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 03 2017, @05:26AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 03 2017, @05:26AM (#604580)

                > Using a low estimate, 800,000 of those illegal aliens voted. That is enough to throw many states, obviously including Florida in 2012.

                Oh for the love of... Do you have any facts, any facts at all, to support this idiotic allegation? If there were any, Republicans, who currently have an iron grip on the entire federal government and have been screaming "voter fraud" for decades, would've been all over that.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @04:47PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @04:47PM (#604317)

      If FBI interviewed Flynn on a rainy day, and he said it was sunny, it would be the exact same crime.

      The lie does have to be relevant to an investigation for it to be criminal. The bar is very low -- basically the state just has to prove that the lie was on a subject that sortof might be relevant. But saying it is sunny on a rainy day probably would not count...

      Still, it is always better to just shut up.

      • (Score: 2) by vux984 on Sunday December 03 2017, @01:13AM

        by vux984 (5045) on Sunday December 03 2017, @01:13AM (#604497)

        It is not sufficient to tell an untruth, you have to do it 'knowingly and willfully'. Read the law.

        Yes, people get in trouble all the time when they talk to the police and make conflicting statements etc. This can be used to damage their crediiblity as a witness, since it raises reasonable doubt about their recollections etc. If there is a bunch of other evidence against them, then damaging their credibility helps get a prosecution of the other crime over the hurdle of reasonable doubt.

        But to actually get convicted of making false statements itself the prosecution has to show intent; they have to convince a jury you were intentionally trying to deceive them, and not merely tripped up, or forgetful, or mis-remembering. And now reasonable doubt works in YOUR FAVOR, because if the jury has a 'reasonable doubt' that you intended to deceive you are not guilty.

        For the prosecution to charge Flynn of making false statements, that doesn't mean he misremembered the weather and thought it was sunny vs rainy; it means he lied about something substantial with the intent to deceive; it means the prosecution at least *thinks* that not only can they prove Flynn made false statements, but that he did so knowingly, willfully, with intent to deceive... beyond a juries reasonable doubt.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Saturday December 02 2017, @01:37PM (8 children)

    by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Saturday December 02 2017, @01:37PM (#604255) Journal

    OP linked an image of this story [washingtonexaminer.com].

    The State Department has "no problem" with President-elect Trump's team communicating with Russia or other foreign leaders during the presidential transition.

    "We stand ready, if they want to work through the State Department to contact some of these individuals, but we have no comment or no problem with them doing such [things] on their own," State Department spokesman Mark Toner told reporters.

    The reply pointed out that Michael Flynn is pleading guilty to lying to the FBI, not talking to Russians. It is in fact a crime to lie to the FBI. The linked story was an irrelevant addition to that comment since it doesn't matter at all if the Obama administration "approved" of conversations. Flynn could have chosen to be honest.

    The only thing left to address is: Did Hillary Clinton lie to the FBI? Comey said she didn't [politico.com]. Others disagree. For example, President Trump said [twitter.com] Comey "lied and leaked and totally protected Hillary Clinton".

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    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday December 02 2017, @01:47PM

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday December 02 2017, @01:47PM (#604261) Homepage Journal

      See above re: irrelevant addition. We tangent and make secondary points around here all the time. It's not something to get bent out of shape over.

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by TheGratefulNet on Saturday December 02 2017, @02:43PM (4 children)

      by TheGratefulNet (659) on Saturday December 02 2017, @02:43PM (#604282)

      more whataboutisms?

      this is NOT ABOUT HILLARY.

      this is NOT ABOUT OBAMA.

      (shit, its not even about clinton, and yet I see all the 'what about ...' brought up all the damned time)

      this is about trump and his corrupt gang of swamp-dwellers. and the country is now enjoying some sweet auto-correction of the downturn we have been in the last year or so. and this party has just started!

      stay on topic. this is not about any previous or past presisent or would-be president. the ONLY things that are relevant are trump, the russians and his gang that sold the US out so they could rob us all blind.

      fuck them. fuck them all hard. prison is too good for the lot of them.

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      • (Score: 4, Touché) by khallow on Saturday December 02 2017, @05:42PM (3 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday December 02 2017, @05:42PM (#604328) Journal

        this is about trump and his corrupt gang of swamp-dwellers. and the country is now enjoying some sweet auto-correction of the downturn we have been in the last year or so. and this party has just started!

        Here's a learning moment. How did Trump get elected? In large part because the Democratic nominee, that would be Clinton, got away with criminal gross negligence. I don't have her FBI transcripts or her internal mental state at the time, so I don't know if she lied to the FBI or not. This is a classic double standard in play.

        And let us note that you probably won't be so excited about the FBI, if Trump should obtain the same control over the organization that Obama enjoyed. Finally, let me remind you of something you wrote in defense of Clinton:

        laws have ALWAYS been for little people.

        but its obvious that this witch hunt is 100% partisan, as the summary kind of implies. the repubs have nothing 'good' on her so they use this.

        bush: he created wars and tortured people. he got off 100% scot free. he was a monster but everyone gave him a pass and nothing happened to him, after doing so many monstorous things.

        if all you have is 'info sec' on hillary, that's damned weaksauce, guys. everyone who is not wearing red can see that.

        give it up and find something real to hunt someone over. the more you attack someone for petty bullshit, the less we want to support you (I'm talking to you, red-shirts).

        Surely, lying to the FBI is even more petty than felony gross negligence with respect to info sec.

        I personally approve of the FBI investigation. If we want laws to be something other than for the "little people", then the powerful need to be subject to them as well.

        Second, what downturn [cnn.com]?

        President Trump promises to get U.S. economic growth for an entire year up above 3%, something that hasn't happened since 2005. Economists say the U.S. will likely not achieve 3% growth for 2017 because the first three months of the year were sluggish. First quarter growth was 1.2%. For the first nine months of this year, the U.S. is averaging 2.5% growth.

        The Federal Reserve forecasts that U.S. growth will hover around 2% for the foreseeable future. A mix of factors, such as sluggish wage and productivity growth, along with millions of Baby Boomers leaving the workforce to retire, have held back economic growth since the Great Recession ended in 2009.

        Still, the U.S. economy is on sound footing. Unemployment is 4.1%, the lowest since 2000. Jobs have been added for 84 consecutive months, the longest streak on record.

        The economy isn't soaring, but it's no downturn either.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @10:14PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 02 2017, @10:14PM (#604426)

          Proof proof proof? Any proof at all or you're just flinging more whataboutisms. FBI director says there is none.

          Flynn ADMITTED it. Flynn is definitely guilty. 0-5 years for him.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday December 03 2017, @03:45AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday December 03 2017, @03:45AM (#604558) Journal

            FBI director says there is none.

            Looks like the FBI director said otherwise in a draft circulated through Congress [soylentnews.org] and notes in the very speech several felonies committed.

            Flynn ADMITTED it.

            While that's (usually) a stronger standard of proof, I consider the Clinton email mess sufficiently proved. Obviously, you don't for some reason.

        • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Sunday December 03 2017, @12:15AM

          by Whoever (4524) on Sunday December 03 2017, @12:15AM (#604474) Journal

          How did Trump get elected?

          Because Comey did something he should not have done: commented publicly on an ongoing investigation, which turned up nothing anyway.

          Without Comey's last minute intervention, Trump would not have been elected.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 03 2017, @06:45PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 03 2017, @06:45PM (#604751)

      You believe the "Liar In Chief"?