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posted by martyb on Thursday December 07 2017, @01:28PM   Printer-friendly
from the you-got-your-kleptocracy-in-my-plutocracy...two-great-tastes-that-taste-great-together dept.

Politico reports on a data theft from the National Republican Congressional Committee (NRCC) by former employees who now work for the National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC):

Staffers for Senate Republicans’ campaign arm seized information on more than 200,000 donors from the House GOP campaign committee over several months this year by breaking into its computer system, three sources with knowledge of the breach told POLITICO.

[...] Multiple NRSC staffers, who previously worked for the NRCC, used old database login information to gain access to House Republicans’ donor lists this year.

The donor list that was breached is among the NRCC’s most valuable assets, containing not only basic contact information like email addresses and phone numbers but personal information that could be used to entice donors to fork over cash — information on top issues and key states of interest to different people, the names of family members, and summaries of past donation history. The list has helped the NRCC raise over $77 million this year to defend the House in 2018.


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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday December 07 2017, @06:11PM (5 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 07 2017, @06:11PM (#606908) Journal

    The People want abortion banned or restricted, no restrictions at all on guns, laws allowing religious employers to push their religion on employees, as little regulation on large corporations as possible, and tax cuts for the ultra-wealthy. The Republican politicians have worked steadfastly to accomplish these things for their constituents.

    Then why don't "the People" have those things? Abortion hasn't changed significantly since Roe v. Wade. Guns have restrictions. Laws don't exist that allow religious employers to push their religion on employees. Large corporations are heavily regulated for the most part (and like it that way, to be honest). About the only thing done was some tax cuts for the wealthy. But maybe "worked steadfastly" means something different in the Grishnakh dictionary?

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Grishnakh on Thursday December 07 2017, @06:26PM (4 children)

    by Grishnakh (2831) on Thursday December 07 2017, @06:26PM (#606920)

    Then why don't "the People" have those things?

    Because there's enough opposition from the other side to keep it from getting passed. Not all Americans are Republican voters after all; I'm just addressing what the Republican voters want.

    Abortion hasn't changed significantly since Roe v. Wade.

    There's new restrictions being passed on it in some states, such as laws forcing doctors to show ultrasound images of fetuses to women who want abortions, and defunding abortion clinics so while it's still legal, there's no place left in the state to actually get one.

    Guns have restrictions.

    Guns are FAR less restricted than they were in the 70s or 80s. Many states have gone to open-carry, something you just didn't see a few decades ago. The Heller case made it a lot easier for people in certain jurisdictions (like DC) to have guns. The GOP actually has had a lot of success on this issue.

    Laws don't exist that allow religious employers to push their religion on employees.

    Bullshit. The Hobby Lobby case is one such law. (In common law countries, court cases = law) There's other laws to allow religious employers to refuse to pay for contraception or abortion for their employers, even though it's part of ACA.

    Large corporations are heavily regulated for the most part

    The Trump administration and Ajit Pai are working hard to change this.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday December 07 2017, @06:31PM (2 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 07 2017, @06:31PM (#606925) Journal

      There's new restrictions being passed on it in some states, such as laws forcing doctors to show ultrasound images of fetuses to women who want abortions, and defunding abortion clinics so while it's still legal, there's no place left in the state to actually get one.

      There are several states [businessinsider.com] with one abortion clinic. There are no states with zero.

      • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Friday December 08 2017, @06:35AM (1 child)

        by Whoever (4524) on Friday December 08 2017, @06:35AM (#607113) Journal

        There are several states [businessinsider.com] with one abortion clinic. There are no states with zero.

        What's your point? To be disingenuous again? Or just display ignorance?

        The number of abortion clinics has reduced in many states, making it much more difficult for women in those states to get an abortion, especially poor women.. Then, there are the ridiculous laws that some backward states have passed regarding abortions, all aimed at making it more difficult to get an abortion.

        So, yes, things have changed since Roe vs. Wade for many women.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday December 08 2017, @07:02AM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 08 2017, @07:02AM (#607116) Journal

          What's your point? To be disingenuous again? Or just display ignorance?

          To correct a minor misconception. That's good, right?

          But if one looks at the second graphic, a chart of abortions per 1000 women, aged 15-44, one sees a massive decline in the number of abortions from 30 to just under 15 in 2014. Looking at figures both for fertility and birth rate per 1000 people, I see a decline over the same period. So we have a halving of abortion rate among women in the critical age bracket combined with lower fertility and birth rate (see this page [google.com], for example, for finding such data). Voluntary population control has massively succeeded with a huge decline in the need for abortion clinics.

          Over the linked story's time span, from 2008 to 2014, the number of abortion clinics declined by 7% from 851 to 788. Over that same period, abortion rates per 1000 women in the above age bracket declined from somewhere around 20 abortions per to just under 15. That's a 25% decline in the number of abortions, combined I might add with significant declines in female fertility and birth rate over the same period, indicating that there isn't a surge of accidental pregnancies going on. Why shouldn't a large drop in the demand for abortions result in a decline in the number of abortion clinics?

          Needless to say, I think this story is overrated and not supportive of Grishnakh's earlier argument. My view is that while there continue to be forces hostile to abortion clinics which have had at best modest success in some areas in restricting access to abortion services, the real story is the huge drop in demand for abortion services, which I think drives the drop in the number of abortion clinics.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by NotSanguine on Thursday December 07 2017, @07:48PM

      by NotSanguine (285) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 07 2017, @07:48PM (#606965) Homepage Journal

      Abortion hasn't changed significantly since Roe v. Wade.

      There's new restrictions being passed on it in some states, such as laws forcing doctors to show ultrasound images of fetuses to women who want abortions, and defunding abortion clinics so while it's still legal, there's no place left in the state to actually get one.

      And don't forget that some states are charging women who miscarry with murder:
      https://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/arrested-having-miscarriage-7-appalling-instances-where-pregnant-women-were [alternet.org]
      http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/blogs-main/advocates-blog/1568-utah-defines-some-miscarriages-as-qcriminal-homicideq- [advocatesforyouth.org]

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