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The idea of suing a website might seem abhorrent to advocates of free speech on the internet, but maybe one case shows that it can be justified?
Whitefish Woman's Lawsuit Over 'Daily Stormer' Harassment Proceeding
The Missoulian is reporting [archive] that a Whitefish woman's lawsuit against a Nazi website is going forward.
Montana Public Radio reports that Andrew Anglin, publisher of The Daily Stormer, is being sued by an individual the website targeted because of the mother of Richard Spencer:
The Daily Stormer called for readers to harass her and her family over her dealings with the mother of white nationalist Richard Spencer.
Image of part of the complaint (PDF).
Northwestern Montana, however, has had some experience in dealing with neo-Nazis in the neighborhood.
(Score: 1, Informative) by idiot_king on Friday December 08 2017, @02:06PM (28 children)
NAZIS MUST BE CRUSHED AT ALL COSTS. This is finally a glimmer of hope in Drumpfenfurher's Fourth Reich.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @02:53PM (14 children)
I find it interesting that some of the sons of fathers who fought nazis few decades ago have turned nazis. The mind boggles.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." #MAGA
(Score: 2, Insightful) by bradley13 on Friday December 08 2017, @07:04PM (13 children)
Ya know, it's irritating that clueless idiots keep comparing the alt-right to Nazis. It just demonstrates that they haven't actually read their history books.. Nazi is an abbreviation for National Socialist. So: nationalism + socialism. Now, the alt-right may be nationalist, but it is definitely not socialist.
What people presumably think they mean is "white supremacist". But that's not what the alt-right is, either. The nearest you can claim is that the alt-right is against multiculturalism. As in: You have your culture in your country, and we have our culture in our country - let's stop trying to mix them, because it actually doesn't work very well. In practice that means that the alt-right is against immigration, except between compatible cultures.
Of course, there are real white supremacists, and some of them claim the alt-right as their home. Every political movement has some unpleasant people who want to associate themselves with it. Using that unpleasant minority as a broad brush with which to tar your political opponents is disingenuous and dishonest.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 5, Informative) by tangomargarine on Friday December 08 2017, @07:55PM (10 children)
Oh god, not this again: I thought everybody knew that the Nazis only put "socialist" in their name in the first place because it sounded good for recruitment. The Nazis were about as socialist as Donald Trump is Asian.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 4, Informative) by tangomargarine on Friday December 08 2017, @08:00PM
Hitler also had this whole slight obsession with destroying communism, you might recall. Back in the early days the Nazis and the KPD were basically bludgeoning each other to death in the streets.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @08:39PM (2 children)
What? Donald Trump is Asian? I knew he was born in Bermuda, but Asian? Explains the eyes, and the dentures. Not the hair, though.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday December 08 2017, @08:43PM (1 child)
Jamaica Hospital Medical Center, Queens, New York City.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @08:59PM
RhumbaButter! Stop it! I am using the "big lie" technique to birther Trump! He cannot legally be precedent of the United States because he was born in the Bahamas!
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by bradley13 on Friday December 08 2017, @08:55PM (4 children)
"Oh god, not this again: I thought everybody knew that the Nazis only put "socialist" in their name in the first place because it sounded good for recruitment."
That's a nice little fantasy you've built up, but you should really go read your history.
Hitler on Nazism: "From the camp of bourgeois tradition, it takes national resolve, and from the materialism of the Marxist dogma, living, creative Socialism". Nazi Germany exerted national control of the means of production, direct national control of the entire economy. That is the very definition of socialism.
The thing is: the extreme right and the extreme left are actually the same damned thing. The map wraps around. Whether you're a right-wing tyrant or a left-wing socialist, it's all about state power, about telling those stupid peons (i.e. all of us) what they have to do.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @09:03PM
Yeah, but all these alt-right alt-white guys are all in favor of socialism. Almost all of them are on government military pensions, disability, unemployment (more of them, recently), or other "socialist" programs. Perhaps you are confusing them with their funders, like the "libertarian" (when the rich say this, is just means "less taxes for me" libertarianism) Kock Bros.?
(Score: 5, Informative) by tangomargarine on Friday December 08 2017, @09:09PM (1 child)
Yes, Hitler lied a lot that the Nazis were Socialist. But that didn't make it true. Look at what he did, not what he said: rounding up trade unionists and communists.
Go look it up on Snopes [snopes.com] or something.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday December 09 2017, @03:48AM
Well, in that case, Lenin lied a lot that the USSR was communist.
The problem is that both species of workers' paradise require enforcement at gunpoint.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @11:02PM
History disagrees with you here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany [wikipedia.org]
Actually looks like they spoke about nationalization, which they sometimes did. On the other hand they also privatized quite a lot. So all over the place and deemed unimportant.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday December 09 2017, @03:42AM
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/platform-of-the-national-socialist-german-workers-rsquo-party [jewishvirtuallibrary.org]
Starting with Item #12.
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Breaking the Servitude of Interest.
12. In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of the nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime against the nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.
15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community authorities.
17. We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land.
18. We demand ruthless battle against those who harm the common good by their activities. Persons committing base crimes against the People, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished by death without regard to religion or race.
===
Not so different from the Communists, or modern-day socialists. And to save myself a lot of words,
https://itsnobody.wordpress.com/2011/08/19/the-nazi-party-a-left-wing-liberal-movement/ [wordpress.com]
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @09:57PM
And the DPRK (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) is totally democratic! Makes one wonder why we're harassing a free country like that, doesn't it?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @10:47PM
Don't forget the Liberal Party of Australia. They'd be liberal, right? Wrong. That's the conservative party.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday December 08 2017, @04:04PM (1 child)
We've been over this before: the H goes before the R, dude. Or if you don't want to figure out the umlaut, Fuehrer is also acceptable.
Or just continue looking like an idiot, I guess.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @07:04PM
In his defense, he was using Trump's spelling, not the original auf Deutsch.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Friday December 08 2017, @06:58PM (10 children)
You know, there never was a surrender by the Dritte Reich, no peace treaty that legally put an end to the war in Europe, unlike the Pacific. So technically, the Allies (including Drumpenfurer's America) are still at war with the Nazis. Thus measures to counter or suppress their propaganda (we now call this "information warfare") are perfectly allowable under the International Rules of Armed Conflict. Also, punch a Nazi in the face. They are the enemy of humanity, and specifically the enemy of the United States of America. Yes, Virginia, even of Montana.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @07:50PM (3 children)
That's odd - aren't you doing much the same thing that the Daily Stormer is being sued over?
(Score: 2, Troll) by aristarchus on Friday December 08 2017, @08:10PM (2 children)
No, like the lawyers in the article, you have to track down Anglin all on your own, if you can. But I have no trouble justifying self-defense against Nazis. I remember when those bastards invaded Athens.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 09 2017, @03:09AM (1 child)
Hunting down a Nazi to punch him in the face is not self defense. Stop talking stupid.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday December 09 2017, @08:38PM
How about hunting down Nazis, snatching them and spiriting them back to Israel to stand trial for crimes against humanity, and being Banality of Evil [wikipedia.org]?
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday December 08 2017, @07:52PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Instrument_of_Surrender [wikipedia.org]
I mean, Hitler had offed himself and the German government had kind of collapsed. There wasn't a whole lot of authority around to sign it with other than the military.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by Eristone on Friday December 08 2017, @08:00PM (4 children)
I think this document [wikipedia.org] says otherwise regarding the surrender of Nazi Germany.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Friday December 08 2017, @08:34PM (3 children)
If you want to maintain that Nazi Germany has in fact actually surrendered, then these neo-Nazis are in fact guilty of something called"War Treason" [wikipedia.org]. If you continue to fight after your nation has surrendered, you are no longer a legal combatant, but you are an illegal enemy combatant. So, "Punch a Nazi in the face" and ship them off to Guantanamo? Worst of the worst, and all that.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday December 09 2017, @03:29AM (2 children)
Nazi Germany was defeated. No surrender really necessary, they were utterly defeated. The survivors surrendered. You are grasping at straws here.
How ironic that a person who styles himself as a philosopher believes that an idea, or philosophy, or belief can be excised from humanity. You shouldn't even hope that such a thing is possible. If it were, the idea would still be there, to be re-discovered a few generations down the road. And, since the rest of humanity has forgotten about Nazism, the fresh discovery will meet no resistance.
Be thankful that mankind has a memory, and be thankful that some small number of idiots are enthralled by this idea of supremacy.
And, no, the Nazis aren't taking over. Because you are so very fearful of Nazis, you see them everywhere. They hide in your closet, they hide under your bed, they are at every protest, they're watching you at the airport.
Fear can be a useful tool, but in your case, fear rules you. If you can conquer your fear, you will realize that Nazis are a powerless bunch of losers and posers. They can't even convince themselves that they have power, but they've convinced you.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 09 2017, @09:21AM (1 child)
#RunawayFondledMe And it wasn't the first time. He is of the Roy Moore school of thought, but only more toward prepubescent boys! Runaway, you pederast!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday December 09 2017, @04:57PM
See your optomoligist. You're confusing me with Aristarchus. He does kinda look like me - two legs, two arms, a torso and a head. But, I'm much better looking. I'm also the bigger asshole. Aristarchus is just a wannabe asshole.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.