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The idea of suing a website might seem abhorrent to advocates of free speech on the internet, but maybe one case shows that it can be justified?
Whitefish Woman's Lawsuit Over 'Daily Stormer' Harassment Proceeding
The Missoulian is reporting [archive] that a Whitefish woman's lawsuit against a Nazi website is going forward.
Montana Public Radio reports that Andrew Anglin, publisher of The Daily Stormer, is being sued by an individual the website targeted because of the mother of Richard Spencer:
The Daily Stormer called for readers to harass her and her family over her dealings with the mother of white nationalist Richard Spencer.
Image of part of the complaint (PDF).
Northwestern Montana, however, has had some experience in dealing with neo-Nazis in the neighborhood.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by bradley13 on Friday December 08 2017, @07:04PM (13 children)
Ya know, it's irritating that clueless idiots keep comparing the alt-right to Nazis. It just demonstrates that they haven't actually read their history books.. Nazi is an abbreviation for National Socialist. So: nationalism + socialism. Now, the alt-right may be nationalist, but it is definitely not socialist.
What people presumably think they mean is "white supremacist". But that's not what the alt-right is, either. The nearest you can claim is that the alt-right is against multiculturalism. As in: You have your culture in your country, and we have our culture in our country - let's stop trying to mix them, because it actually doesn't work very well. In practice that means that the alt-right is against immigration, except between compatible cultures.
Of course, there are real white supremacists, and some of them claim the alt-right as their home. Every political movement has some unpleasant people who want to associate themselves with it. Using that unpleasant minority as a broad brush with which to tar your political opponents is disingenuous and dishonest.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 5, Informative) by tangomargarine on Friday December 08 2017, @07:55PM (10 children)
Oh god, not this again: I thought everybody knew that the Nazis only put "socialist" in their name in the first place because it sounded good for recruitment. The Nazis were about as socialist as Donald Trump is Asian.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 4, Informative) by tangomargarine on Friday December 08 2017, @08:00PM
Hitler also had this whole slight obsession with destroying communism, you might recall. Back in the early days the Nazis and the KPD were basically bludgeoning each other to death in the streets.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @08:39PM (2 children)
What? Donald Trump is Asian? I knew he was born in Bermuda, but Asian? Explains the eyes, and the dentures. Not the hair, though.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday December 08 2017, @08:43PM (1 child)
Jamaica Hospital Medical Center, Queens, New York City.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @08:59PM
RhumbaButter! Stop it! I am using the "big lie" technique to birther Trump! He cannot legally be precedent of the United States because he was born in the Bahamas!
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by bradley13 on Friday December 08 2017, @08:55PM (4 children)
"Oh god, not this again: I thought everybody knew that the Nazis only put "socialist" in their name in the first place because it sounded good for recruitment."
That's a nice little fantasy you've built up, but you should really go read your history.
Hitler on Nazism: "From the camp of bourgeois tradition, it takes national resolve, and from the materialism of the Marxist dogma, living, creative Socialism". Nazi Germany exerted national control of the means of production, direct national control of the entire economy. That is the very definition of socialism.
The thing is: the extreme right and the extreme left are actually the same damned thing. The map wraps around. Whether you're a right-wing tyrant or a left-wing socialist, it's all about state power, about telling those stupid peons (i.e. all of us) what they have to do.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @09:03PM
Yeah, but all these alt-right alt-white guys are all in favor of socialism. Almost all of them are on government military pensions, disability, unemployment (more of them, recently), or other "socialist" programs. Perhaps you are confusing them with their funders, like the "libertarian" (when the rich say this, is just means "less taxes for me" libertarianism) Kock Bros.?
(Score: 5, Informative) by tangomargarine on Friday December 08 2017, @09:09PM (1 child)
Yes, Hitler lied a lot that the Nazis were Socialist. But that didn't make it true. Look at what he did, not what he said: rounding up trade unionists and communists.
Go look it up on Snopes [snopes.com] or something.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday December 09 2017, @03:48AM
Well, in that case, Lenin lied a lot that the USSR was communist.
The problem is that both species of workers' paradise require enforcement at gunpoint.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @11:02PM
History disagrees with you here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany [wikipedia.org]
Actually looks like they spoke about nationalization, which they sometimes did. On the other hand they also privatized quite a lot. So all over the place and deemed unimportant.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday December 09 2017, @03:42AM
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/platform-of-the-national-socialist-german-workers-rsquo-party [jewishvirtuallibrary.org]
Starting with Item #12.
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Breaking the Servitude of Interest.
12. In view of the tremendous sacrifices in property and blood demanded of the nation by every war, personal gain from the war must be termed a crime against the nation. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
13. We demand the nationalization of all enterprises (already) converted into corporations (trusts).
14. We demand profit-sharing in large enterprises.
15. We demand the large-scale development of old-age pension schemes.
16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle class; the immediate communalization of the large department stores, which are to be leased at low rates to small tradesmen. We demand the most careful consideration for the owners of small businesses in orders placed by national, state, or community authorities.
17. We demand land reform in accordance with our national needs and a law for expropriation without compensation of land for public purposes. Abolition of ground rent and prevention of all speculation in land.
18. We demand ruthless battle against those who harm the common good by their activities. Persons committing base crimes against the People, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished by death without regard to religion or race.
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Not so different from the Communists, or modern-day socialists. And to save myself a lot of words,
https://itsnobody.wordpress.com/2011/08/19/the-nazi-party-a-left-wing-liberal-movement/ [wordpress.com]
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @09:57PM
And the DPRK (Democratic People's Republic of Korea) is totally democratic! Makes one wonder why we're harassing a free country like that, doesn't it?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 08 2017, @10:47PM
Don't forget the Liberal Party of Australia. They'd be liberal, right? Wrong. That's the conservative party.