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A federal grand jury in Washington, DC has indicted 13 Russian nationals and a Kremlin-linked internet firm on charges that they had meddled in the 2016 presidential election.
The US government said Russian entities began interfering in US political processes, including the 2016 presidential election, as early as 2014, according to a court document.
[...] The charges – which include conspiracy, wire fraud, bank fraud and aggravated identity theft – are the most direct allegations to date of illegal Russian meddling in the election.
Link to the Indictment: https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download
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Mueller Investigation: Thirteen Russians Charged With Interfering in US Election
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(Score: 2) by jdavidb on Monday February 19 2018, @07:11PM (21 children)
ⓋⒶ☮✝🕊 Secession is the right of all sentient beings
(Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Monday February 19 2018, @07:20PM (15 children)
So, uhhhhh - when exactly do your marriage vows expire? Or a Hippocratic oath? Any other vow, or oath - when does each expire?
When I took that oath, there was no phrase in the oath, such as, "for the next $number of years". There are legal obligations that last until you die. Cold War secrets may be half a century old now, but people aren't running out to publish every little detail of what we did right, and what we did wrong.
The Constitution may not be a divine document, but it's about as close as man can get.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by bob_super on Monday February 19 2018, @07:50PM (5 children)
> The Constitution may not be a divine document, but it's about as close as man can get.
Therein lies your problem.
It's a set of rules, written as a compromise by pretty smart guys, a couple centuries ago. It ain't sacred.
What is "sacred" is the global intent (not some details like that 3/5ths stuff), the directing principles, and the people's rights protected by those rules.
The details of how each branch is elected, what their exact relationships are ... that's just one implementation. You like yours. Other countries have tried many variants, which have proven better or worse in various situations. Some countries tweak their fundamental law every few years, to deal with specific needs. The US constitution deals with those changes via SCOTUS rulings, since amendments have become near impossible.
Don't worship the paper or the implementation itself. Its stability over a long time is indeed an impressive feat. But recognize its worth without treating it as a pinnacle that doesn't need improvements. The people who wrote it agreed that it would have to change (wisely). Treating it a near Divine is not the right idea. Swearing to defend it is correct, as long as defending the Rights of the People always comes before defending the institutions.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 19 2018, @08:01PM
That is what we have amendments for, honestly I find that the worst policies comes from people who don't really respect the Constitution. Is this just a slow news day? Feels like division being created for the sake of division with this article.
This coming from an AC that loves to set out burning bait and see how many suckers bite and post their bullshit for all to see.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday February 20 2018, @09:53PM (3 children)
The rights themselves are given by God, so they are literally what is considered sacred. The Constitution itself is not sacred, but meant to lay out a form of government that will defend and uphold those rights.
In that way it is possible to feel religious devotion for the God-given rights and also utter contempt for what the government has become. The rights trump the constitution, and the founders themselves said explicitly that should a government become injurious to those rights that citizens have a duty to do away with it. That is the historical moment at which we have arrived.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Tuesday February 20 2018, @09:56PM (2 children)
> The rights themselves are given by God
*Proof needed*
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday February 21 2018, @12:39PM (1 child)
Here you go [ushistory.org], one of the foundational documents of the United States, in case you haven't read it before. I particularly draw your attention to the first two paragraphs.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday February 21 2018, @05:09PM
Do atheists and non-creationists get no rights ?
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Monday February 19 2018, @07:51PM (6 children)
> The Constitution may not be a divine document, but it's about as close as man can get.
The bible? (Or Qu'ran, etc)
(Score: 5, Insightful) by fyngyrz on Monday February 19 2018, @08:26PM (5 children)
No, fiction doesn't count.
(Score: 2) by arslan on Monday February 19 2018, @10:00PM (4 children)
I agree with you totally, but unfortunately reality seems to disagree...
(Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Monday February 19 2018, @10:27PM (3 children)
FTFY
(Score: 2) by unauthorized on Tuesday February 20 2018, @04:12AM (2 children)
It's not superstition at all that people believe that $HOLY_BOOK is a decree from the heavens.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 20 2018, @12:07PM (1 child)
Believing does not make it any closer to being true.
(Score: 2) by arslan on Tuesday February 20 2018, @10:21PM
Sure, but it is reality that people are believing and behaving accordingly to affect the state of our world. That was my point.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by fustakrakich on Monday February 19 2018, @07:54PM (1 child)
Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of nineteen years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force, and not of right. - Some guy who died a long long time ago, so I'm sure it can't possibly plausible in these "Modern Times"
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 21 2018, @01:48AM
And the moron who modded this down either does not know American history, or does not want to know American history. Did anybody bother to look up who said that? Or is the dominate narrative more important?
Gramdpa's law isn't necessarily good in these times. All law should be sunsetted, just like how we can sunset a politician's term in office.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 20 2018, @02:12AM (4 children)
Nope. It's not. Which is why it can, and has repeatedly, be amended.
It also happens to be the law of the land throughout the United States.
If you live in the United States, you are, if not a public official or a naturalized citizen (who give their explicit support for the Constitution), at bare minimum, giving tacit consent to the primacy of that document as the law of the land.
If you think it's some or all of the constitution is wrong or bad, then convince enough people of your position and amend it. Alternatively, you can stay in the US, ignore it and risk the consequences, or leave the US.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 20 2018, @09:02AM
If you choose to be born on Piece of Land X, then you give Tacit Consent to have Y done to you. Seems reasonable. Maybe I'll just abandon my family and property and go to that other piece of land that isn't claimed by any government and won't be in the future. Oh, wait, that doesn't exist.
There are actual arguments against anarchy, but this isn't one of them.
(Score: 2) by jdavidb on Tuesday February 20 2018, @01:26PM (2 children)
I do not consent.
I will continue to work to persuade people that this arrangement is not in their best interest.
ⓋⒶ☮✝🕊 Secession is the right of all sentient beings
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 20 2018, @08:25PM (1 child)
Civil disobedience is an occupation with a long history and mixed results. Assuming you aren't impinging on the rights of others, I support your choice.
Given your posting history, there are some areas in which you are unlikely to garner my support. However, I applaud you for your efforts. That activity is at the heart of a free society.
Further, other honest and fair minded folks have different conceptions as to what changes would be beneficial to our society. Creating broad coalitions has historically been the mechanism through which we have made positive (and some negative) strides in improving our institutions to better serve us all.
As such, I suggest that perhaps you might consider *not* making the perfect the enemy of the good. This may already be the case for you, I don't know.
(Score: 2) by jdavidb on Tuesday February 20 2018, @10:35PM
ⓋⒶ☮✝🕊 Secession is the right of all sentient beings