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posted by mrpg on Friday April 13 2018, @11:41PM   Printer-friendly
from the divide-et-impera dept.

Third time's the charm:

A California technology billionaire said on Thursday that his longtime and perhaps quixotic effort to partition the Golden State into multiple new states could soon be put before voters.

Venture capitalist Tim Draper said he had gathered about 600,000 signatures on a petition to put his proposal to divide California on the November ballot, more than the 366,000 needed to qualify. It is his third attempt to get voters to weigh in on his call to break up the most populous U.S. state.

Draper, who in 2014 and 2016 failed in his efforts to win approval for a ballot initiative to divide the state into six parts, said in a news release Thursday that he planned to file the signatures with election officials next week.

[...] To go into effect, California would first have to certify the signatures that Draper has gathered, and then voters in November would need to pass the measure. After that, the U.S. Congress would have to approve it.

Also at The Mercury News and SFGate.

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday April 13 2018, @11:51PM (29 children)

    by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday April 13 2018, @11:51PM (#666661) Homepage

    This is not gonna happen. It's probably never gonna happen.

    The three-state solution isn't even the optimal solution from a Balkanization perspective -- the optimal solution is a 2-state solution with a narrow coastal strip from South L.A. up to Oregon serving as the liberal paradise where all the bums and illegal aliens will be shipped-to and cared-for.

    The three-state solution is a compromise to benefit Democratic voters, from a representation perspective, a lot more than my proposed two-state solution does but is decent enough if you're from South California. If you're from Redding or Alturas, tough shit, you might as well be the Bay Area. Your nice forests and big trucks would see even more hipster faggot tourist scum.

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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by bob_super on Friday April 13 2018, @11:56PM (8 children)

    by bob_super (1357) on Friday April 13 2018, @11:56PM (#666662)

    > where all the bums and illegal aliens will be shipped-to and cared-for.

    The illegal aliens are mostly employed in the deep-red agricultural counties inland. They can't afford the coast (except Oxnard)

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday April 14 2018, @12:27AM (7 children)

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday April 14 2018, @12:27AM (#666683) Homepage

      Silicon valley seems to have a culture of indentured servitude all its own. Californian blues don't get a free pass on this one, especially since at least aggie scum at least try to arrange some kind of housing for their "seasonal" workers.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @12:43AM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @12:43AM (#666697)

        Well, I doubt that your average 'illegal' Silicon Valley landscaper/poolboy/nanny is homeless either. In fact I'll bet ya that the blues treat their slaves much better than your red aggie scumballs do. And besides, fuck all this 'illegal' bullshit. People have a natural right to migrate to wherever the food is. California is a symbiotic state. One part won't do so well without the others. This is just greedy people trying to hoard money/resources for themselves. Fuck them! We need less borders, not more!

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by archfeld on Saturday April 14 2018, @01:14AM (5 children)

          by archfeld (4650) <treboreel@live.com> on Saturday April 14 2018, @01:14AM (#666712) Journal

          This symbiotic state has an economy that drives the rest of the inbred fat ass states regardless of the immigration issue that seems to bother everyone else in the nation but is a general non issue in California. Aside from NY and Texas, most other states are bland pools of ineptitude driven by federal handouts and pork secured by their greedy reps in Washington. California drives the tech industries, runs with the head of the pack in agriculture, provides healthcare, and a better education to anyone that shows up in a manner that exceeds just about anywhere. That is not to say there aren't problems, like every where else, but I agree more borders isn't going to do anything but make it easier for those cheating to exploit.

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          • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday April 14 2018, @02:43AM (4 children)

            by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday April 14 2018, @02:43AM (#666751) Homepage

            Man, am I glad Archfield is here. Never thought that fuck face knew what was up.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @04:43AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @04:43AM (#666796)

              at least aggie scum at least try to arrange some kind of housing for their "seasonal" workers.

              Yeah, well, I was only contesting your assertion that the blue suburban 'illegals' are any worse off than the ones out there on the plantation doing what should be done by a damn machine... The bullshit spreads very evenly in my view. And since we can only measure things by degree, the aggie scum belongs just a little deeper in the pits of hell. But, who knows? Maybe picking grapes really is better than dealing with a bratty six year old and watering the petunias (and getting a little action while hubby's at work) The things is that the bears will put up with a lot of bee stings to get to the honey. Why people blame them, I'll never fathom. It's a dead cat. So what?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @06:14PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @06:14PM (#666987)

              So now you contradict yourself. Your brain must finally be starting the long slide into alcoholic dementia.

            • (Score: 2) by archfeld on Saturday April 14 2018, @08:13PM

              by archfeld (4650) <treboreel@live.com> on Saturday April 14 2018, @08:13PM (#667018) Journal

              I missed you too Ethanol. You're like the inbred Indian cousins I have in Oklahoma.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @08:42PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @08:42PM (#667038)

              "Always Two there are, a Master Troll and an apprentice. Fear leads to anger, Anger leads to hate, hate leads to the alt-right side. Do not go to the dank side, the Cake is a Lie!" Jedi Master Yoda

  • (Score: 2) by Snotnose on Friday April 13 2018, @11:57PM (3 children)

    by Snotnose (1623) on Friday April 13 2018, @11:57PM (#666664)

    As a Sandy Eggin I applaud anything that gets me away from the Frisco/LA braintrust.

    Then again, when I add up the pluses and minuses of both parties, both parties get a No Vote. They both suck 90% of the time, I'm stuck with figuring which 10% I'm willing to hold my nose for.

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    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @12:59AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @12:59AM (#666707)

      As a Sandy Eggin I applaud anything that gets me away from the Frisco/LA braintrust.

      A bus will do that for you. Just head east until they check your skin color against a Pantone swatch.

    • (Score: 2) by archfeld on Saturday April 14 2018, @01:19AM (1 child)

      by archfeld (4650) <treboreel@live.com> on Saturday April 14 2018, @01:19AM (#666714) Journal

      Not sure what you are seeing, but SF , and everything north would gladly see the LA area back to Mexico, and the people in LA barely acknowledge the rest of the world even exists. The further north you go in California the more pronounced the disgust for Southern Cali becomes.

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      • (Score: 3, Touché) by fustakrakich on Saturday April 14 2018, @04:58AM

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday April 14 2018, @04:58AM (#666802) Journal

        Patience patience... San Andreas will take care of everything.

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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by SpockLogic on Saturday April 14 2018, @12:02AM (7 children)

    by SpockLogic (2762) on Saturday April 14 2018, @12:02AM (#666667)

    This is not gonna happen. It's probably never gonna happen.

    This is gonna happen. If not three new states then six or more. The 38 million people of California have the same two senators as 600,000 or 700,000 people in Wyoming and North Dakota. Time for "Fair and Balanced"

    Howdya like those apples.

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    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @01:04AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @01:04AM (#666708)

      The 38 million people of California have the same two senators as 600,000 or 700,000 people in Wyoming and North Dakota.

      That's exactly how the Senate is supposed to work. The House of Representatives is supposed to have (relatively) proportional representation based on population.

      The Senate is where all states are equal. If you don't like it then move to a different state, but don't move to TX or NY or FL or PA or ...

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 14 2018, @02:51AM (5 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 14 2018, @02:51AM (#666754) Journal

      Howdya like those apples.

      Go for it.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday April 14 2018, @08:34AM (4 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday April 14 2018, @08:34AM (#666842) Journal

        Sometimes I get the idea that khallow is not a Montanan. That is OK, not everyone can be, because it is a rather elite group. But then I start to think that khallow is not even a Wyomingite, which is well below a Montanan, somewhere down in the "James Watt" or "Dick 'Dick' Cheney", or his useless daughter [note to Soylentils: nothing good ever came out of Wyoming, except women's right to vote!] level. So, khallow, being as you are a FRICKING CALIFORNICATOR!!!. Someone would have to actually be from the intermountain West, an actual homeboy of the Rocky Fucking Mountains, to understand just how hard and viciously I have just dissed the khallow. You are a Californian, an immigrant, a carpet-bagger. A purchaser of 20 acre "horse ranches", one of the bastards that is responsible for driving up property prices to the level that no honest rancher or farmer could actually make a living.

        So, being Greek of extrordinary longevity, I have had the opportuity to be present for many of the events you Soylentils regard as "history". But, you know, people actually lived the history you might later study. In this case, during the Great Depression, cattle ranches in the west no longer could make a profit. So they did something like Facebook did: they switched from running cattle, to running dudes. Yes, in the Great Depression, Dude Ranching saved many a spread.

        Now the difference is that now the "dudes" actually buy property, whether in such dens of scum and villainy and Big Mountain skiiing as the Whitefish, or the equally perverse "Big Sky" offerings close to some place close to skiiing and Yellowstone, but not actually, you know, close. Montana is fricking Huge, for those of you from Mykonos or New Jersey.

        So this is why khallow argues in bad faith. He is the "Whitewater" of the Clintons, the Atlantic City of the Donald, the Tulip futures market of the market that had no future. And to think he wanted me to rent his backhoe! Mendacity, khallow! Lies and untruths! Intentionally incorrect facts! Bubble-fed libertariantard ideological pablum. Perhaps, forsooth, we ought to divide the crumulent and naturally fissured khallow into at least the three states, of the United States, that he has claimed residence in. For tax purposes only, of course, because no one expects

        The Violent Imposition!!!

        In fact, those who do expect it, . . . oh, bugger off, come in again.

        • (Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Saturday April 14 2018, @12:05PM (2 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 14 2018, @12:05PM (#666887) Journal
          Let's look at the meat of that post.

          So this is why khallow argues in bad faith.

          Nothing before that sentence or after was relevant to that assertion. This is what actual bad faith rhetoric looks like.

          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @06:20PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @06:20PM (#666988)

            You mistake humor for bad faith rhetoric. No surprise, being a bot you have a really hard time parsing language that doesn't fit the heuristic patterns you were programmed with.

            Obviously you weren't created with Asimov's 3 laws or you wouldn't be capable of spreading harmful bullshit.

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday April 15 2018, @06:37AM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 15 2018, @06:37AM (#667179) Journal

              You mistake humor for bad faith rhetoric.

              What's humorous about it? I grant it could be a bad faith argument masquerading as humor. We see that a lot here.

        • (Score: 2) by archfeld on Saturday April 14 2018, @08:23PM

          by archfeld (4650) <treboreel@live.com> on Saturday April 14 2018, @08:23PM (#667024) Journal

          Is Aristarchus Proof that CWD or mad cow disease is loose in the general public in Montana ? I can almost see the foam on his post, and it wanders in circles like you'd expect the infected animal to do :)

          http://www.mad-cow.org/99feb_cwd_special.html [mad-cow.org]

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  • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Saturday April 14 2018, @12:56AM (2 children)

    by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Saturday April 14 2018, @12:56AM (#666703) Homepage Journal

    That strip would have to skip over Orange County. It's on the coast.

    But there is some precedent for discontiguous states: Michigan's upper peninsula in my understanding lives in a whole different world all unto itself.

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  • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Saturday April 14 2018, @02:02AM (3 children)

    by Whoever (4524) on Saturday April 14 2018, @02:02AM (#666734) Journal

    the optimal solution is a 2-state solution with a narrow coastal strip from South L.A. up to Oregon serving as the liberal paradise

    ... and the rest would become the poorest state in the nation.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @07:59AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @07:59AM (#666835)

      Not if you plan to keep eating.
      Sonoma Valley, Salinas Valley, San Joaquin Valley, Napa Valley, Central Valley, Coachella Valley, Imperial Valley

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @08:21AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @08:21AM (#666838)

        Splitting doesn't mean trade stops.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @08:34AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14 2018, @08:34AM (#666841)

          Pretty sure that's what I said.

          -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

  • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday April 14 2018, @02:05AM

    by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 14 2018, @02:05AM (#666738) Journal

    Nice to have you back. :)

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