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On the Daily Dot:
The Facebook pages of Richard Spencer, the alt-right leader who was famously punched in the face last year, have been suspended.
The pages for the National Policy Institute, a lobbying group of sorts for white nationalists, and Spencer's online magazine "altright.com," vanished on Friday after Vice sent the social network an inquiry about hate groups. They had a combined following of almost 15,000 followers.
The action was taken just days after Mark Zuckerberg emphasized during his testimony before Congress that Facebook does not allow hate speech. But it wasn't until Vice flagged the accounts that Facebook suspended them. The social network said in a statement that it identifies violating pages using human monitors, algorithms, and partnerships with organizations.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Sunday April 15 2018, @02:27AM (12 children)
Correct. Censoring someone suggests that A. you disagree with him, and B. you have no rational argument to offer.
Censorship is almost always wrong. In fact, censorship is so seldom right, that we can ignore those few instances where it might be right.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 15 2018, @03:05AM (1 child)
Who cares whether it's right or wrong?! Discussing it is stupid. Let's just work on making it impossible, or at least impractical. And since the majority wants more censorship, not less, we must use technology to defeat this social problem. Where are the real freedom fighters to helps us out?
(Score: 3, Funny) by jmorris on Sunday April 15 2018, @06:38AM
The freedom fighters you seek are at Gab, working on something they call the "Exodus Protocol" which will supposedly permit the current gab.ai to be replaced with a version that operates in a similar way to the end users yet be cryptographically impregnable to all attempt to censor, by gab, by their upstream name service and hosting providers, even nation state actors. Whether it can actually be done remains to be seen. Work began (or was announced to the public) when political pressure from upstream forced them to ban weev.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Sunday April 15 2018, @06:49AM (2 children)
Your idea intrigues me. Let us set the full syllogism in order:
Censorship is almost always wrong.
Runaway is almost always wrong.
Too much to be mere coincidence. So we may conclude:
⊨Runaway is censorship.
Ancillary corollary conclusion:
⊨Runaway must be censored.
You can't argue with logic. Or at least that appears to be the case, judging from your posting history.
Laozi
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday April 15 2018, @11:07AM (1 child)
Few people have minds so warped that they can follow your "logic". You are in a class all by yourself, somewhere over in La-La land.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Sunday April 15 2018, @08:30PM
Sorry! You are correct! Pursuant to your final surmise:
the appropriate parallel construction should have been:
Thank you for your intervention! And remember! All Cretans are liars, and it's true because one them even said so! So, clearly, Runaway is not correct, even if he is. (The "Man in Black" says: "Truly, you have a dizzy intellect!")
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 15 2018, @08:17AM (6 children)
Bullshit. Society needs to censor bullshit, or we'll end up with "Creationists" in science class. Why? Because like you or jmorris, you will simply never change your opinion and will tirelessly rumble on line a fucking idiot. The rest of us go on, and live our lives while you and your type of idiots continually spread your bullshit. Then the ratio of bullshit to non-bullshit gets lower and lower, mainly by your inability (and jmorris) to FUCKING STOP posting shit. You will never manage to clue in that you are indeed wrong no matter how many examples are brought up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_genocide [wikipedia.org]
was brought to you by your "free speech". In sane nations, like Canada or Germany, we have laws against hate speech. And these rules exist mainly to protect the majority from the relentless bullshit by the vocal minority of idiots.
The problem with Facebook and Twitter is that it allowed these individual fuckwits to congeal together into masses of fuckers. People like the nazis like Spencer, or ISIL or whatever the fuck they want to call themselves. Same bullshit spreading idiots.
So, STFU about your "free speech". We want to live our lives in peace not to hear how some Nazi got his fucked up twitter deleted. Is this a "compelling argument" for you or will you ignore it like always?
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Sunday April 15 2018, @11:05AM
Bullshit. If society is run as a democracy, then enough atheists, other theists, and even Christians accept the idea of evolution, that the Christains aren't going to censor out evolution. I suppose that you have citations for one church or another condoning that genocide? Which one, specifically? Accusations flew, sure, but as far as I can see, no religious leaders were convicted. It's equally likely that the non-Christians leveled charges against every Christian they could find, just because they could.
Free speech, bitch. You can say what you want - I can say what I want. What's more, any swinging dick in the world can log in, and have his say. Even better, those people who don't have dicks can log in to say anything they want.
Funny thing is - jmorris and people who agree with him and I actually like hearing what all the other morons have to say. You? You're just an intolerant shit. You want to censor all of us who disagree with you. Back to my post, to which you responded: You disagree with me, but you have no rational argument. You're a loser.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 15 2018, @02:45PM (4 children)
The entire point of rights is that they apply even to scumbags. Now, there are of course limits like the much-referenced "shouting "fire!" in a crowded theater" example, but that's not a limit on speech for its own sake, but a limit on a dangerous misuse of it. And "hate speech" laws are gilding the lily; we ALREADY have laws making it criminal to threaten violence.
What we need to do is fucking enforce them, and if you figure out why they're not being enforced, you'll have figured out the real problem (that many of the people in charge of enforcing them are assholes). Since criminals don't obey laws, and since LEOs and other upper-crust (read: rich and/or otherwise powerful) people have gamed the system such that laws don't apply or don't have teeth in the form of consequences, *more laws* aren't going to help.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Sunday April 15 2018, @08:34PM (3 children)
But this is the point, I fear. "Weaponizing" free speech to further violent ideologies is in fact analogous to "shouting fire in a crowded threatre", is it not? The rabid right does not insist on speech to express their ideas, they are trying to insult, frighten, and hurt their fellow citizens. It is terrorism, pure and simple, and not free speech at all.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 16 2018, @03:07AM (1 child)
I think aristarchus speaking is in fact analogous to "shouting fire in a crowded threatre", the rabid aristarchus does not insist on speech to express their ideas, they are trying to insult, frighten, and hurt their fellow citizens. It is terrorism, pure and simple, and not free speech at all.
(Score: 3, Informative) by aristarchus on Monday April 16 2018, @09:24AM
Ungrammatical speech is not speech, either, and is a terror to the literate.
Masculine nominative plural, first declension, not that it is usual to use such with proper names.
Now write it again, one hundred times.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday April 18 2018, @03:30AM
I share all these same concerns. There seems to be an unfair advantage, in that we play by the letter and spirit of the law and they, at their least scummy, play the "literal asshole genie interpretation of the law" game. But what do we do to make sure the disease isn't worse than the cure? Too many on the left are already starting to act like these people, and they're not good at it because it's not their nature.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...