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Iowa approves one of strictest abortion bills in US
The US state of Iowa has approved one of the most restrictive abortion laws in the country, banning most abortions once a foetal heartbeat is detected. Republican lawmakers, who control both chambers, passed the bill in back-to-back votes, sending it to the governor's desk to sign into law.
If [signed], the bill would ban most abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. Critics argue the bill makes having an abortion illegal before most women even realise they are pregnant.
[...] If [Governor Kim] Reynolds signs the bill into law, it will likely be challenged in court for possibly violating Roe v Wade, the US Supreme Court ruling that legalized abortion in 1973. [...] Some Republican lawmakers welcomed the challenge. "I would love for the United States Supreme Court to look at this bill and have this as a vehicle to overturn Roe v. Wade," Republican Senator Jake Chapman said.
Also at NPR, Reuters, the Waterloo-Cedar Falls Courier, and The Hill:
Nineteen states adopted a total of 63 restrictions to the procedure in 2017, which is the highest number of state laws on the issue since 2013, according to the Guttmacher Institute. State legislatures have proposed 15 bills that would ban abortions after 20 weeks and 11 bills that would ban abortions if the sole reason is a genetic anomaly like Down syndrome.
Related: Ohio Bill Would Ban Abortion when a Prenatal Test is Positive for Down Syndrome
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(Score: 1, Troll) by jmorris on Friday May 04 2018, @02:50AM (4 children)
Before you do that, try actually reading the Constitution those Justices swore to uphold and defend. You will find not a single words in it about abortion, childbirth, medicine, when life begins, etc. Since none of those things are there and the 9th and 10th Amendments are most certainly still there they had zero lawful authority to have any opinion at all on the subject, it being one of the wide areas of authority reserved to the States. This means some States may enact laws on the subject you don't like, others may enact laws I don't like. And that is OK.
There is also no "Right to Privacy" emanating from some hitherto unseen penumbra of the 14th Amendment, so that too is currently an area of the law reserved to the States to deal with as they see fit until such time as the Constitution is lawfully amended by one of the two methods contained within itself.
She does. If you want to allow abortion in the first month or so after a rape I think you could easily build a 2/3 majority to amend the Constitution if some States went so far as forbid it in such a case and also forbid the morning after pill. What do you think sex is? Do you get Discovery Channel where you live? Ever heard that song by the Bloodhound Gang? When you engage in a procreative act, procreation is not an expected result. Women should not be infantalized and allowed to avoid responsibility for their actions.
As for the usual canard trotted out at this point in most of these debates (and I see in full swing elsewhere in this thread) that since only women get pregnant only women should have a voice in the debate, fuck that idiocy. Gestation only takes nine months but raising a child to maturity takes 18-21 years and men are legally co-equally liable for all of that period. So explain again why men's "choice" ends at orgasm? At the same time women can choose to either have "her" baby and extract resources from the father for decades, while at the same time explaining how he has zero say in whether she keeps "her" baby. It is only "their" baby for the few minutes in the courthouse every year or so while child support is being adjusted. So no, unless men can lalso egally "abort" their responsibilities (meaning the mother could either actually abort or carry on knowing she would be solely responsible for support) they have an equal say in abortion in both the individual case and the subject as public policy because they ARE equally involved.
That doesn't appear to be hard, baffling you. Lemme give some clues. Conservatives != Libertarians. Conservatives believe in moral order beyond "let the market sort it out" which is what distinguishes them from Libertarians. Second, you are assuming your view of abortion is universally held to be true, that a baby in the womb is only a clump of tissue. If one believes it is a developing child, murder is wrong and it is perfectly consistent with limited government to ask it to enforce the prohibitions on murder. That is in fact the crux of the entire debate.
Both sides use language to try to short circuit that debate by attempting to persuade the undecided public to adopt their preferred terminology. As soon as one accepts the "Pro Choice" language the conclusion becomes obvious. To be subject to a "choice" it can't be a baby's life under debate, right? Nobody would seriously have the balls (ok, there are a few... Singer for one) to stand up and say women should have the right to kill their children. Just wouldn't happen, political suicide. Of course if one is paying attention there is another assumption packed in the term the supporters hope you don't notice. Women can only have a "right to choose" if we are all in agreement that it isn't an important choice.
Equally the "Pro Life" term is loaded with a conclusion, to accept it also ends the debate. Nobody is going to agree with that terminology, that "Life" is what is being debated, and say "Screw it, so it is alive. Kill it anyway!" Once you accept the language, the conclusion comes packed quietly along with it.
So avoid both if you want to debate it honestly you have to just say it is the Abortion debate. Or a debate about when life begins for purposes of making law. Religions differ on the point and we can't just pick one and impose it so there has to be a line picked that we can politically agree on enough to move on to another issue.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @11:34AM (3 children)
If you want to allow abortion in the first month or so after a rape
Remind me, how long does it take for a woman to tell she is pregnant?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 04 2018, @07:18PM (1 child)
jmorris does not know any women. His entire post is based on hearsay. And you know what they say about her-say, constitutionally?
(Score: 2) by Tara Li on Wednesday May 09 2018, @07:45PM
10 days to 3 weeks, according to the makers of pregnancy tests.
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Saturday May 05 2018, @03:57AM
One presumes that if a woman is raped she knows sex happened and if she has watched TV or attended a government school she knows how babies get made so is fully aware of the possibility of pregnancy. Lets try to give women a little credit for having a brain, K? So step one is the morning after pill, that should be automatically offered at the same time the rape kit is being processed, just put the pill in the kits and be done. Step two is carefully watching for pregnancy, even those $1 tests can spot it pretty early now and providing a rape victim actual medical assistance to quickly identify and fix the problem would be something I'd support. So lets just take those canards off the table, rape and life of the mother are perfectly acceptable exceptions for most people.