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posted by Fnord666 on Monday May 14 2018, @04:17PM   Printer-friendly
from the no-data-equals-no-evidence dept.

In recent years [...] satellite and aircraft instruments have begun monitoring carbon dioxide and methane remotely, and NASA's Carbon Monitoring System (CMS), a $10-million-a-year research line, has helped stitch together observations of sources and sinks into high-resolution models of the planet's flows of carbon. Now, President Donald Trump's administration has quietly killed the CMS, Science has learned.

Source: sciencemag.org)


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 14 2018, @04:51PM (9 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 14 2018, @04:51PM (#679635)

    China could do this research. The EU could do this research. Russia could do this research. India could do this research.

    If nobody else wants to bother, it can't be all that important. We'll spend our money elsewhere.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 14 2018, @05:00PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 14 2018, @05:00PM (#679642)

    What makes you think other countries are not doing similar studies? The US happens to have a lot more air/space craft than most other countries so don't be surprised that the US leads in most such science.

    Also, "a $10-million-a-year research line, has helped stitch together observations of sources and sinks into high-resolution models of the planet's flows of carbon". So it relies on data from multiple sources, likely including private entities who would be much more likely to share their data with a US gov institution. I met some guys who did aerial surveys for methane emissions, the tech is really expensive and pretty cutting edge supposedly.

    All that aside, the US's responsibility is like the charity donations of the filthy rich. Getting the lion's share of the world's resources / economy comes with a certain obligation to use them for the common good. Not surprising to see your statement on this forum filled with "fucka yous I gotsa miiiine!"

    • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 14 2018, @05:46PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 14 2018, @05:46PM (#679664)

      fucka yous I gotsa miiiine!

    • (Score: 2) by frojack on Monday May 14 2018, @06:34PM (1 child)

      by frojack (1554) on Monday May 14 2018, @06:34PM (#679706) Journal

      likely including private entities who would be much more likely to share their data with a US gov institution.

      Or NOT.
      People are pretty suspicious of the US Government these days.

      Its equally likely these guys were having difficulty getting data out of other projects, especially foreign ones. Especially if they wanted it for free, or used their position to threaten other projects grants.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 15 2018, @12:11AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 15 2018, @12:11AM (#679830)

        PEOPLE may be suspicious of the US gov, but businesses by and large are not. Besides, some scientists using data for research is hardly the big scary gov people worry about. With a US gov group the companies can feel pretty safe they won't get in trouble, but handing it over to another country is probably a lot more worrisome.

        You're just making up a bunch of straw men arguments as if we should not apply Occam's razor here and should instead assume all the worst and craziest possibilities. It is NOT equally likely, but nice method of setting up a narrative.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 14 2018, @06:01PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 14 2018, @06:01PM (#679675)

    Why yes, you're absolutely right!!

    India might end up doing that. And then you'll have to keep throwing taunts about how India still wouldn't have solved its open defecation problem as a ego boosting measure.

  • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday May 14 2018, @08:27PM (2 children)

    by Gaaark (41) on Monday May 14 2018, @08:27PM (#679761) Journal

    That's it: open your mouth and let the world know you're an idiot.

    Good work!

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by cmdrklarg on Monday May 14 2018, @08:48PM (1 child)

      by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 14 2018, @08:48PM (#679771)

      Protip: Better to let people think you're an idiot, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

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      • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday May 14 2018, @10:53PM

        by Gaaark (41) on Monday May 14 2018, @10:53PM (#679808) Journal

        That's what I said!

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 15 2018, @04:10PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 15 2018, @04:10PM (#680081)

    China could do this research. The EU could do this research. Russia could do this research. India could do this research.

    If nobody else wants to bother, it can't be all that important. We'll spend our money elsewhere.

    <troll>
    Oh! You mean, we should trust the results of [{(((FOREIGN)))}] scientists?!
    </troll>