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posted by janrinok on Wednesday May 23 2018, @12:27AM   Printer-friendly
from the no-one-was-surprised dept.

The Center for American Progress reports

The Supreme Court held on [May 21] that employers can force their employees to sign away many of their rights to sue their employers. As a practical matter, Monday's decision in Epic Systems v. Lewis [PDF] will enable employers to engage in small-scale wage theft with impunity, so long as they spread the impact of this theft among many employees.

Neil Gorsuch, who occupies the seat that Senate Republicans held open for a year until Donald Trump could fill it, wrote the Court's 5-4 decision. The Court split along party lines.

Epic Systems involves three consolidated cases, each involving employment contracts cutting off employees' rights to sue their employer in a court of law. In at least one of these cases, the employees were required to sign away these rights as a condition of starting their job. In another, existing workers were told to sign away their rights if they wanted to keep working.

Each contract contained two provisions, a "forced arbitration" provision, which requires legal disputes between the employer and the employee to be resolved by a private arbitrator and not by a real court; and a provision prohibiting employees from bringing class actions against the employer.

Writing with his trademarked smugness, Gorsuch presents Epic Systems as a simple application of a legal text. "The parties before us contracted for arbitration", he writes. "They proceeded to specify the rules that would govern their arbitrations, indicating their intention to use individualized rather than class or collective action procedures. And this much the Arbitration Act seems to protect pretty absolutely."

It's the sort of statement someone might write if they'd never read the Federal Arbitration Act--the law at the heart of this case--and had only read the Supreme Court's decisions expanding that act's scope.

[...] Epic Systems means that employers who cheat a single employee out of a great deal of money will probably be held accountable for their actions--though it is worth noting that arbitrators are more likely to favor employers than courts of law, and that they typically award less money to employees when those employees do prevail. The biggest losers under Epic Systems, however, will be the victims of widespread, but small-scale, wage theft.

Via Common Dreams, Public Citizen says Congress Should Overturn Today's U.S. Supreme Court Decision Eroding Workers' Rights

Public Citizen is a national, nonprofit consumer advocacy organization founded in 1971 to represent consumer interests in Congress, the executive branch, and the courts.


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by tekk on Wednesday May 23 2018, @12:57AM (42 children)

    by tekk (5704) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 23 2018, @12:57AM (#682868)

    Can anyone give a good reason why this contract even had a chance to make it to the supreme court? It seems like the most straightforward case possible: the company wasn't paying me what they owe me. What I "get" out of this contract is that I do work for them, they pay me. If I'm not being paid what was agreed upon then what right does the company have to enforce any other parts of the contract? Seems like any reasonable world would say that the company broke the contract and the employees aren't bound by those terms.

    The only VAGUELY reasonable interpretation I can make (which Gorsuch didn't even bother to address as far as TFS?) is that because it wasn't *found* that the company was stealing wages, the contract isn't broken yet, and they can't get it ruled that wages were stolen without going through arbitration, so they have to go through arbitration in order for the contract to be ruled as broken and therefore be able to go through the court system rather than arbitration.

    ....Of course unconscionable contracts do make the world go round. I wonder how many of those would go poof in an instant if the idea of unconscionability was enforced at all. I feel like the idea that these arbitration clauses should inherently be unconscionable: has there ever been a contract not between two corporations where arbitration was anything more than the company hedging its bets as much as possible that the inevitable future legal problems come out in their favor?

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @01:04AM (34 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @01:04AM (#682873)

    Can anyone give a good reason why this contract even had a chance to make it to the supreme court?

    Yes. I suggest starting with the 4 justices who dissented with the party-line majority.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday May 23 2018, @01:34AM (33 children)

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday May 23 2018, @01:34AM (#682879)

      The Court split along party lines.

      What a fucking stupid way to run a country.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @01:38AM (12 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @01:38AM (#682880)

        No kidding, got a fucking smart way to fix the problem?

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @01:58AM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @01:58AM (#682885)

          I think random might be better. Randomly pick some people from anyone in the population who wishes to hold the position. Give them a year of training, then they're in office for their term.

          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @02:59AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @02:59AM (#682912)

            It is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it... anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.

            I think just random is safer.

          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by stretch611 on Wednesday May 23 2018, @11:43AM (1 child)

            by stretch611 (6199) on Wednesday May 23 2018, @11:43AM (#683060)

            Randomly pick some people from anyone in the population who wishes to hold the position.

            Even better, pick some people that DON'T want the position.

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            • (Score: 1) by Sulla on Sunday June 03 2018, @04:37PM

              by Sulla (5173) on Sunday June 03 2018, @04:37PM (#688052) Journal

              For nearly all political positions we would be better off with someone who doesnt want the job.

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        • (Score: 4, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday May 23 2018, @03:00AM (3 children)

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday May 23 2018, @03:00AM (#682913)

          Do what civilized countries do, and not have two state mandated political parties.

          The trouble with that is that the monied interests who run your country like things the way they are, so you might have to start shooting them to enact change.

          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @05:38PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @05:38PM (#683179)

            oh, like EU member nations who have a gaggle of un-elected thieves running the show? you are sooo sophisticated.

            • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday May 24 2018, @01:35AM (1 child)

              by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday May 24 2018, @01:35AM (#683353)

              oh, like EU member nations who have a gaggle of un-elected thieves running the show?

              Don't believe everything you read on Breitbart, most of it is propaganda.

              ... you are sooo sophisticated.

              I am not sure why you're assuming I live in the EU, or why you're so angry.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday May 24 2018, @02:12AM

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 24 2018, @02:12AM (#683365) Journal

                Don't believe everything you read on Breitbart, most of it is propaganda.

                Believe it or not, there are European sources of news which also carry stories about the EU. I don't mind chucking rocks at the EU when I can, but it does often involve taking out a couple of glass walls on the way to the target.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday May 23 2018, @03:12AM (2 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 23 2018, @03:12AM (#682919) Journal

          No kidding, got a fucking smart way to fix the problem?

          Fucking smart way to fix the problem: mass boycott - immigrate. (grin)

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          • (Score: 3, Informative) by tangomargarine on Wednesday May 23 2018, @04:11PM (1 child)

            by tangomargarine (667) on Wednesday May 23 2018, @04:11PM (#683156)

            You mean, emigrate?

            Immigrate = coming in
            Emigrate = going out

            I'm not sure how people already inside the country could boycott immigration. Doesn't boycotting something require it to be something you could actually do?

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            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday May 23 2018, @09:53PM

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 23 2018, @09:53PM (#683297) Journal

              Thanks

              Fucking language, English. Flammable/inflammable

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @04:45PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @04:45PM (#683164)

          What about this: Don't have the judges be selected by the current administration, but have an independent electoral body to determine judges. Disallow any party association for members of that body, making it a federal crime for members or candidates to lie on that.

      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @02:10AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @02:10AM (#682890)

        Best government money can buy.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by TheGratefulNet on Wednesday May 23 2018, @02:36AM (17 children)

        by TheGratefulNet (659) on Wednesday May 23 2018, @02:36AM (#682901)

        thanks, flyover ASSHOLES.

        you are completely ruining our country.

        you did the STIGGINIT thing (sticking it to the libs) but in the process, you fucking burned down the country.

        I hope you are happy. you stuck it to the libs, but you also screwed yourself. R voters, in the majority, are wage-slaves, NOT business owners. I don't know what they think they are doing, but the smarter of us can see that they are conned into voting against their own best interests.

        but hey, JESUS and no abortions. so, there's that.

        *sigh*

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        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @03:08AM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @03:08AM (#682916)

          it's not only about the economy

          it's a lot of people who reject the cultural changes D voters are bringing about in the context of their experience living in an economy that forces two-income homes...

          they are not educated enough to articulate their problems and seek meaningful solutions because education is too expensive

          want D team votes? make education free... confront the banks on student loans...

          i agree on many levels it is insanity that they continue to vote R team...

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @04:48AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @04:48AM (#682957)

            ...are not educated...

            This is by design.

            In the 70s, Richard Freeman, education adviser to Governor Ronald Reagan and President Richard Nixon said that, "An educated proletariat is dynamite! We must be selective in who we allow an education." Reagan ended free university education in California shortly after this comment.

            Sorry, JS blocking unfriendly link, but I had trouble finding the full quote. Most references stop at what I quoted above, but I think the rest of the quote modifies it a bit and it would be dishonest not to include a reference with it (when blocking java script, you have to view without css to see the content [firefox -> tap [ALT KEY] -> View -> page style -> no style):

            https://twitter.com/schwarz/status/965972221117325312 [twitter.com]

            most references I could find cut off the quote like this:
            http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~hbf/priscult.html [rutgers.edu]

            Sorry crappy sources, but the googles failed me.

          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @05:45AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @05:45AM (#682973)

            No shit, well Reagan defunded everything and for some strange reason the Democrats have decided to follow the same route playing to "the middle". The world was trying out a lot of things in the last 100-200 years, today we've now seen what different kinds of systems can be like, we've seen what succeeds and how, but instead of applying logic to government we allow emotion to rule our decisions. Party lines, "key" issues, basically an us vs. them situation.

            We need to realize that the welfare of our country is way more important than the political hot potatoes we seem to be focused on. I guess we just need to figure out our common ground and go from there.

          • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Captival on Wednesday May 23 2018, @06:11AM (1 child)

            by Captival (6866) on Wednesday May 23 2018, @06:11AM (#682980)

            want D team votes? make education free...

            want D team votes? Steal money from successful people and give it to illegals, welfare lifers and terrorists.

            Oh wait, you're already doing that.

            • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @01:58PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @01:58PM (#683104)

              i don't believe i said i was a D team voter

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @03:30AM (5 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @03:30AM (#682928)

          Well name calling won't help, that is basically what got us here. All the "flyover ASSHOLES" on this site, ok most, are not the Jesus bible thumping types you are referring to. What we suckers on the ground tend to miss is the insane two party bullshit we've been conditioned to. It works wonders to keep us divided, and we already know that a LOT of the Trump supporters are regretting their choice to just fuck the system. The few that are trying to hold on to their bad choice are to be pitied more than anything.

          • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @04:42AM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @04:42AM (#682953)

            Bless your heart. I Voted for him and still happy about it!

            Sorry to contradict your claim, however, Trumps approval ratings are going up despite the 90% negative press. But I’m sure the news media is only looking out for the people. ;-)

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @02:07PM (3 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @02:07PM (#683108)

              well sir i think trump is doing an awful job... he is failing to implement anything remotely progressive...

              at the same time, i still approve of the awful job he is doing... i share your happiness nonetheless... we sent him to be a bull in a china shop knowing that our only option was to burn it all down... it is now starting to catch fire... and i think overeducated liberals who have never worked a day in their life but feel no remorse about stealing from the working class are getting what has been coming to them for a long time

              my family are farmers, construction workers and electrical engineers... practical men and women who do not need government to survive... we have no fear of this rotten system burning to the ground

              • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @02:26PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @02:26PM (#683112)

                my family are farmers, construction workers and electrical engineers... practical men and women who do not need government to survive... we have no fear of this rotten system burning to the ground

                Your real masters count on that. They'll still be in charge after it is burnt.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @03:41PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @03:41PM (#683142)

                  my family are farmers, construction workers and electrical engineers... practical men and women who do not need government to survive... we have no fear of this rotten system burning to the ground

                  Your real masters count on that. They'll still be in charge after it is burnt.

                  I couldn't say what our "real masters" are counting on, one way or another. But I'm really doubtful that "they" will end up being in charge once it is all burned to the ground. I'm also skeptical of the myth of the self-sufficient man who needs no government to survive. Revolutions are unpredictable. There will be lots and lots of collateral damage when things start lighting on fire. Where we end up is anybody's guess. One thing I am sure of is that there will be plenty of tears all around. Yes, even those self-sufficient men waving their AK-47 penis substitutes will end up wailing and in tears when this is all over. Be careful out there. Life can be rough.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @06:34PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @06:34PM (#683201)

                No fear huh? It blows my mind when people say such clueless shit, it really shows how badly you've been brainwashed. You don't believe you need government because by and large the government has been doing a "good enough" job, but idiots like you see your paycheck and just get SO MAD at how much of a cut goes to the gov.

                Yes we have a lot of things to fix in our government, but there is more good than bad. Just fixing the election process would have widespread benefits. Burning everything to the ground? Well that is how you get hordes of hungry and angry people grouping together and attacking each other.

                The "rotten" components of every government are always the people. Since there is no way to fix human nature we therefore need to keep improving our systems of government to shut down avenues of corruption. It will never be finished, but it will be hindered by the useful idiots such as yourself that get brainwashed so easily.

        • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Wednesday May 23 2018, @12:05PM (2 children)

          by MichaelDavidCrawford (2339) Subscriber Badge <mdcrawford@gmail.com> on Wednesday May 23 2018, @12:05PM (#683072) Homepage Journal

          I've lived in flyover states as well as Canadian flyover provinces

          I was happy there

          But my neighbors all resented the abuse they were subjected to by the liberal urban elite

          Consider the way Hilary insulted trump supporters. The Donald couldn't have gotten more help from a magic lamps genii

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          • (Score: 5, Insightful) by TheGratefulNet on Wednesday May 23 2018, @02:29PM (1 child)

            by TheGratefulNet (659) on Wednesday May 23 2018, @02:29PM (#683114)

            your neighbors were very likely 'programmed' from early childhood to think just ONE way and every sunday (you know what I'm referring to) they get another dosing of 'reinforcement' to continue to think along 'allowed' lines.

            its just that simple. it really is. early mind control so deep you almost can never counter it with logic. that's why almost no R's convert to D. the indoctrination from all directions when you are young is almost ROM-like; can't erase it like eeprom or flash; its pretty much burned in read-only after a certain point. and the R's know this and BANK on it. why do you think the R's are so damned cozy with churches and religion?

            all other conservative hatred toward libs is BS that can be ignored. there is only 1 core reason. 'the libs doing this or that to us' is not at all relevant, but its mostly what the sheep have been programmed to repeat, so they bleet it out endlessly. does not make it true; never was true. but the sunday sheep - they keep us all behind.

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            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday May 25 2018, @03:54AM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday May 25 2018, @03:54AM (#683878) Journal

              your neighbors were very likely 'programmed' from early childhood to think just ONE way and every sunday (you know what I'm referring to) they get another dosing of 'reinforcement' to continue to think along 'allowed' lines.

              Doesn't take programming. Took clueless politicians who opened their mouths.

        • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday May 23 2018, @06:40PM (1 child)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday May 23 2018, @06:40PM (#683205) Journal

          This is what the Republicans do with their stolen seat.

          Just remember this conservatives: All these shady tricks and abuses of power the Republicans are pulling right now will be in the hands of the Democrats pretty soon. And their voters are going to be out for blood so expect them to get used if you don't close them down.

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @07:59PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @07:59PM (#683247)

            Just remember this conservatives: All these shady tricks and abuses of power the Republicans are pulling right now will be in the hands of the Democrats pretty soon. And their voters are going to be out for blood so expect them to get used if you don't close them down.

            Indeed. It never ceases to amaze me that neither side has yet learned the truth of "what goes around, comes around". All these awful precedents that are being set today will be used one day by members of the opposing party. Yep, that's right!!! When one party makes an abusive power grab, the other party is virtually guaranteed to take revenge by using it against them just as soon as they can. Remember, you heard it here first.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 25 2018, @03:40AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 25 2018, @03:40AM (#683876)

          Hey, those of us in "flyover country" did our best to try to get Sanders elected. But no, you coastholes decided that it had to be Clinton and Trump. So we just picked the least worse of the two.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @10:03AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @10:03AM (#683027)

        It was added explicitly when it became obvious the Federalists as a party were on the wane, and put in place so that their less popular policies could be held onto via the court at least until their minority became so weak that the laws themselves could be repealed.

        End result is the system we have today. It wasn't however how the United States was intended to run, at the beginning, for better or worse.

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @02:00AM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @02:00AM (#682886)

    The decision has nothing to do with stealing wages, even if the original cases did.

    The decision is about the validity of an agreement to use arbitration. Congress (we should blame them) made a law saying that arbitration could be required by contract. Some people want to get out of the contract. This ruling says you have to abide by the contract you agreed to.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @02:17AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @02:17AM (#682893)

      According to the linked article, it was the conservative justices legislating from the bench

      Then, the Court got even more aggressive. By its own terms, the Federal Arbitration Act exempts “workers engaged in foreign or interstate commerce.” Nevertheless, in its 5-4 decision in Circuit City v. Adams, the Supreme Court held that the Act applies to most workers engaged in foreign or interstate commerce. Thus, forced arbitration clauses in employment contracts were given special protected status, even though the federal law governing these clauses says otherwise.

      The five justices that ruled in favor of CC:

      Kennedy (Reagan)
      Rehnquist (Nixon)
      O'Connor (Reagan)
      Scalia (Reagan)
      Thomas (Bush)

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @02:38AM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @02:38AM (#682902)

      When your options are to either work or live on the streets, it's hardly voluntary. Not everyone can be self-employed, so employers hold most of the power. You should not be able to sign away your rights to go to actual courts in a contract; such provisions should simply be declared invalid.

      • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @08:53AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @08:53AM (#683011)

        Congress makes laws. Complain to congress.

        You're asking judges to make law. They practically can, though they aren't supposed to. Four liberal judges fell to temptation, thinking the ends justify the means. Never mind that constitutional separation of powers thing, just do whatever it takes.

        I wonder, would you object if the executive branch (president) also took this approach? They too can practically make law, with even more power. They do the enforcement. Maybe the president should just ignore the judicial branch when the ends justify the means?

        The conservative judges ruled in a way that conserves our constitutional form of government. They chose to not abuse the tremendous power that we have entrusted them with.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by bussdriver on Wednesday May 23 2018, @01:12PM (2 children)

          by bussdriver (6876) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 23 2018, @01:12PM (#683092)

          Judges strike down laws and interpret and apply them. They do not make laws, they have power to destroy them word by word. idiot.
          It's a huge power and can look almost similar to writing laws.

          A CORRUPT judge and pick and choose what laws and rights to uphold... they are almost always lawyers so they can argue any position well enough to fool half people (who are below average.)

          HUMAN RIGHTS are not given to you; they are inherent and not enumerated-- see the constitution and founders; they got it.
          Your right to legal due process exists even if the broken government steals that right from you! They can take it but you always have it.

          You can not lose your rights by being blackmaled by small print private contracts. You can't sign yourself into slavery. No law can allow that either without going against human rights... and the constitution. (human rights are greater thanthe constitution)

          This ruling is corrupt judges using narrow scope to avoid their creeping fascism. it's that simple; sorry if I am way ahead of most readers-- instead of thinking I'm a nut and turning off your brain maybe you should consider I'm way ahead of the curve... like the founders were with their crazy ideas back in their day.

          Think about how far we go for your right to a lawyer and due process-- then think about how all of this including the early 90s Bush era start of this arbitration robbing of legal rights from the people. Now you can be screwed out of easily $20,000 because it will cost you that much just to begin a battle with your employer... they can do it to ALL the employees because they can't band together anymore. unions are nearly dead; and not very powerful where they still exist.

          Americans are fucking themselves; which just proves what everybody has been thinking for generations: stupid ignorant selfish Americans.

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @06:54PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 23 2018, @06:54PM (#683212)

            stupid ignorant selfish Americans

            I live here, and sadly it is incredibly accurate. The success of capitalism was strongly correlated with the technological advancements, and the paradoxical measures of success are lower costs to consumers and greater profits for the owners. The paradox is that lower prices require lower wages which created a feedback loop harming all employees. Capitalism is great for a narrow subset of businesses, but it is time to stop worshiping money and go back to promoting a healthy society.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday May 25 2018, @04:11AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday May 25 2018, @04:11AM (#683881) Journal

            They do not make laws

            Roe v. Wade is an excellent counterexample.

            they have power to destroy them word by word

            In other words, you are claiming justices have the power to decide a law by arbitrary degree. Not helping your argument.

            HUMAN RIGHTS are not given to you; they are inherent and not enumerated

            And if you can't exercise them because you are coerced by a greater power, then it doesn't matter.