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White Americans' fear of losing their socioeconomic standing in the face of demographic change may be driving opposition to welfare programs, even though whites are major beneficiaries of government poverty assistance, according to new research from the University of California, Berkeley, and Stanford University.
While social scientists have long posited that racial resentment fuels opposition to such anti-poverty programs as food stamps, Medicaid and Temporary Aid to Needy Families, this is the first study to show the correlation experimentally, demonstrating a causal relationship between attitudes to welfare and threatened racial status.
"With policymakers proposing cuts to the social safety net, it's important to understand the dynamics that drive the welfare backlash," said study lead author Rachel Wetts, a Ph.D. student in sociology at UC Berkeley. "This research suggests that when whites fear their status is on the decline, they increase opposition to programs intended to benefit poorer members of all racial groups."
The findings, to be published May 30 in the journal Social Forces, highlight a welfare backlash that swelled around the 2008 Great Recession and election of Barack Obama.
Notably, the study found anti-welfare sentiment to be selective insofar as threats to whites' standing led whites to oppose government assistance programs they believed largely benefit minorities, while not affecting their views of programs they thought were more likely to advantage whites.
"Our findings suggest that these threats lead whites to oppose programs they perceive as primarily benefiting racial minorities," said study senior author Robb Willer, a professor of sociology and social psychology at Stanford University.
[...] "Overall, these results suggest whites' perceptions of rising minority power and influence lead them to oppose welfare programs," Wetts said.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday June 02 2018, @10:23AM (29 children)
It's "Stop taking *my* shit and giving it to motherfuckers who won't get off their asses and earn their own". You lot have damned sure heard it enough times from me and you know I don't go in for subtlety. But, hey, seeing higher ed nutjobs say "EVERYTHING IS RACISM!!!1!1!!1!ONE" isn't remotely surprising.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @10:49AM (4 children)
"Stop taking my shit and giving it to those below me on social ladder; start taking shit from those above me on social ladder and give it to me."
(Score: 5, Insightful) by choose another one on Saturday June 02 2018, @11:39AM (2 children)
An equally (or more) valid conclusion is:
"Taking some of my shit to give to those less fortunate is ok, but only if you are going to dish it out fairly, if you are going to dish it out on the basis of skin colour then **** you"
(Score: 4, Insightful) by bobthecimmerian on Saturday June 02 2018, @01:00PM (1 child)
Nowhere in the results did it state that the social welfare program benefits minorities more than whites based on difference in skin color and ethnicity. In the US, minorities are more likely to be poor. So it only fits that they use food stamps, rent assistance, and Medicaid more than whites.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Saturday June 02 2018, @11:06PM
Although the poverty *rates* for minorities are higher than for whites [kff.org], in absolute numbers, the absolute numbers of whites living in poverty is comparable to the number of all minorities living in poverty [federalsafetynet.com].
As such, it's likely that a similar number of whites use such benefits as do minorities
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @05:05PM
And if only we had a mode of progressivism that raises all boats (except, of course, the capitalist elites who have been stealing from the rest of us).
Instead we have identity politics. Identity politics doesn't care about the bourgeoisie. Instead it tells whites and men in the working class who are struggling and objectively losing ground according to just about every economic data point (other than the "you have smartphones! how dare you complain!" crap--no, I don't have a smartphone, and even if I did, I would rather have meat on my table) that they need to fork over even more.
Of course, identity politics hides to whom they want whites and men to fork over even more. Identity politics uses guilt tripping to con whites and men into giving up more wealth, not to people of color or women (who are in the same boat, losing ground, also would rather have meat on the table, savings in the bank, hope for the future, the ability to absorb an unexpected $400 cost without it being a major financial blow, etc than a smartphone), but to the bourgeoisie.
So, women and people of color are never advanced. Amazingly enough, this sets the stage for more guilt tripping and psychological manipulation by the sociopathic capitalist elites.
Is it any wonder that whites and men are fucking sick of this shit? And we're fucking sick of being told that the economic data that shows we're all getting fucked up the ass somehow doesn't apply to us because we're white or were assigned the male gender caste at birth. We're fucking sick of being blamed for women and minorities experiencing the exact same fucking thing we are because they are being robbed by the elites the same as we are!!!
Of course this study is pushing an agenda.
And by what divine powers there may be, I am fucking sick of it. If the pseudo-left and so-called "progressives" don't get their heads out of their asses, I have no problem switching my voting habits to the alt-right. If we can't have progressive politics and all we get is a bunch of regressive identity politics whargargl, FUCK THAT SHIT.
I can't live like this. I am being swindled, and all anybody tells me is that because of my skin color and a letter on my birth certificate that somehow all the data that shows I'm being swindled just doesn't apply!!! Fuck it! Burn it all down!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by bobthecimmerian on Saturday June 02 2018, @12:58PM (6 children)
But they're happy to "Take *my* shit and give it to motherfuckers who won't get off their asses and earn their own" provided the motherfuckers are white. Explain that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @03:10PM
Now what?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday June 02 2018, @06:58PM (4 children)
Remember Uzzard's got ADHD. By his own admission he's a barely-controlled ball of rage. This is why he's always going off about other peoples' "feelz," because deep down he knows that's a good 90% of his own thought process. Projection, hypocrisy, and ignorance, the unholy trinity of the reactionary right.
If he ever looked at the big picture with a sober, straight face, he'd see where his "shit" is going, and it's *not* going downwards...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday June 03 2018, @01:30AM (3 children)
Well not barely. You can tell by how it never gets allowed in the driver's seat. As for them being part of my thought process... they're not thoughts and I don't act on emotion. You should try it sometime. You'll get to be actually correct on an issue instead of just feeling that you are. You'll even be able to rationally explain why you are correct.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday June 03 2018, @03:09AM (2 children)
That didn't look like it was never allowed in the driver's seat. At the very least that was some hardcore backseat-driving right there...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday June 03 2018, @10:34AM (1 child)
It's true. I do allow small amounts of amusement at stupidity through. It's intentional and has passed through rational thought though. It's given in the hope that ridicule will help those it's directed at to correct themselves.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday June 03 2018, @08:46PM
Hasn't seemed to work on you so far...*sigh* Oh well. When someone is as old as you and stuck in this mode of thinking, odds are good only the reaper will bring you out of it...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday June 02 2018, @01:36PM (12 children)
I read the article. Complete, and utter bullshit.
For starters, the sample size is pretty small. Second, it's not clear where they found the "candidates" for their surveys, or what their social class might be. (I thought there was a link to a PDF, but I'm not finding that now.) Third, it's Berkeley.
My attitude toward welfare has remained pretty damned consistent all through my life. No matter how far "up" or how far "down" I may have been financially, I've always felt that a man who doesn't work doesn't deserve to eat. You pay your way, or you go hungry. Women and children are another story - I'm willing to help provide for them. Men? Hungry? What are you willing to do for me? Mow my lawn? Feed my animals? Paint? Fix my car/truck/tractor/POS trailer? Want to repair my fence, maybe? Sure, I'll feed you, and give you a few bucks! Oh - you aren't willing to do ANY of that? Well, in that case, maybe I can find you a bread crust, if the wife hasn't thrown them all out to the birds.
Race means absolutely nothing. Upward or downward trends for whites means nothing.
This is just another "feel-good" nonsense study, to justify liberal hatred of hetero white males.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @03:42PM (2 children)
Ugly evolution-induced human behavior issue here:
The trouble with providing for women and children is that it encourages broken families. Why bother to resolve relationship problems? It doesn't matter. Nobody will go hungry.
If women don't need men as providers, then they simply don't need men. There is no shortage of sperm, and a desirable supplier can be used for a day. There is no need to bother with a relationship, from her perspective at least. Children thus grow up without fathers. Fathers have a hugely positive impact on children, doing much to reduce delinquency and generally set children on the right path in life.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday June 02 2018, @03:57PM
Welllll, that's the theory, anyway. There is that other popular theory, that it takes a village to raise an idiot.
(Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Saturday June 02 2018, @11:21PM
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @06:31PM
Women who don't work deserve to go hungry too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @11:11PM (7 children)
I only agree that this study is complete garbage and outrage bait.
Still, it's amazing how a male like yourself can be so misandrist. What a sad view you have.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday June 03 2018, @12:35AM (6 children)
Males are expendable, you dumb shit. That's why there are something like 105 males born for every 100 females. We are excess. Females only need maybe five or ten males for every 100 females, but they produce all that excess, so the worthless males can be culled. Check your privilege - you're not as important as you seem to think you are.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 03 2018, @08:02AM (4 children)
You're committing a naturalistic fallacy here. You speak in an evolutionary sense, but evolution does not determine ethics. We don't need to run our society that way.
Maybe you think of yourself as expendable, but not every male thinks of themselves that way. Take your self-hate elsewhere.
Ultimately, nothing is important. The human race could be entirely wiped out and the universe wouldn't - and can't - care. You're making the same mistake as the idiots who refer to evolution as "evilution"; evolution is not a moral system.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday June 03 2018, @09:05AM (3 children)
I don't give two flips for your version of ethics. Reality is, guys do stupid shit all the time, to prove how expendable we are. And, women keep on living life, in our absence. When any one of us manages to kill our self, a woman or six might notice, but they go on with life. There are few signs that they miss us.
I observed that when my wife's father died, it upset the sisters some. None were happy, 'cause they all loved their daddy. But, life went on. When their MOTHER died, that was quite different. Each of those girls had a relationship with their mother, that Daddy was never a part of.
Most people, I believe, are similar. Guys as well as girls. Mother is a more important part of people's lives, even if they have a great relationship with their fathers.
Find the exceptions, and they will probably only help to prove the rule.
Back to the bottom line: men are expendable, women are less expendable.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 03 2018, @11:45AM (2 children)
Rather, you don't care about ethics at all. I try not to have ridiculous double standards, but I suppose you don't care about small things like that.
By whose standard? Yours, and those who think like you, of course. To intelligent people who have no interest in trying to replicate the laws of the jungle in human society because they would prefer to be better than that, such a standard is simply laughable.
I'm not sure what you think you're going to achieve by using anecdotes and hypothetical scenarios to rationalize speaking in absolutes.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday June 03 2018, @01:56PM (1 child)
Got it - those who don't share YOUR ethics have no ethics at all. I hear what you're saying though. No one, and nothing, is more important than you are. You, personally, epitomize value in this world. There's are words for that. Hubris. Narcissism. Ostentation.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 03 2018, @11:30PM
Enough with your ridiculous straw men. So because I don't see myself as expendable and less valuable than women and children, that means I'm merely narcissistic? Then, what does that say about the women who are apparently so much more valuable than men? Are they narcissists too? I'm sorry for your self-hate, but I just don't have that issue.
You rely on faulty logic to reach the conclusion that men should be seen as expendable in human society. We don't need to structure our society that way.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 03 2018, @01:41PM
Uhh... That is stupid. Males were expendable a long long time ago. There is no science to say there ought to be 1 to 1 mapping of men and women. And YOU could be not as important as you think. *add some abusive words*
How about you commit suicide to balance the world?
(Score: 4, Touché) by Whoever on Saturday June 02 2018, @04:26PM (3 children)
That's funny, coming from someone who lives in a state that receives more in Federal funding than it pays in taxes. In other words, someone whose lifestyle is subsidized by taxpayers in CA, NY, etc. (blue states plus Texas).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 02 2018, @11:14PM
I wasn't aware that he determined the policies of his entire state. Of all the valid criticisms of TMB, you chose this?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday June 02 2018, @11:26PM
A good portion of that money goes to businesses which run out of those other states. Any IT or finance money isn't going purely to Texas, for example.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday June 03 2018, @01:32AM
Oh, you think I should move up to Vermont or something? That would somehow make my view more valid than living right along side the lazy motherfuckers I don't want to pay to sit on their asses?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.