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posted by martyb on Tuesday August 07 2018, @05:08PM   Printer-friendly
from the "A-Tale-of-Flodden-Field" dept.

5News reports:

President Donald Trump appears to have changed his story about a 2016 meeting at Trump Tower that is pivotal to the special counsel's investigation, tweeting that his son met with a Kremlin-connected lawyer to collect information about his political opponent.

[...] That is a far different explanation than Trump gave 13 months ago, when a statement dictated by the president but released under the name of Donald Trump Jr., read: "We primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with American families years ago."

also at Vox, MSN and Mic


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by ikanreed on Tuesday August 07 2018, @05:59PM (3 children)

    by ikanreed (3164) on Tuesday August 07 2018, @05:59PM (#718344) Journal

    The others have cited that there's a paper trail at least trying to establish the pretense of removing conflicts of interest, and a disconnect between who was responsible for that decision and Clinton.

    Let's say that's a crock of shit and Clinton still actually betrayed the country. Why would you overlook the people in power now being corrupt and complicit to focus on someone who's out of office? Is that really who you want to be?

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Pav on Wednesday August 08 2018, @01:31AM (2 children)

    by Pav (114) on Wednesday August 08 2018, @01:31AM (#718559)

    When the Democrats have attacked Trump on policy it has often been from the right eg. on war, trade etc... and they silently agreed with Trump on both his vast increase of the military budget and the tax cuts. Even on immigration Hillary spoke about a fence instead of a wall during the campaign. Personally I'd rather an incompetent corrupt plutocrat (Trump) than a competent servant of corrupt plutocrats. Lets say Trump messed up by not paying his Russian informants like Clinton paid hers, and this amounts to a crime worthy of impeachment - be careful what you wish for. Already many progressive leftists, black lives matter etc... have been painted in the media as Russian puppets and even traitors. This is shaping up to be a new McCarthyism, and that's not a good thing. Don't align yourself with Robert "weapons of mass destruction" Mueller... a proven liar on Iraq. The security agencies can hardly be called Unbiased Purveyors of Truth, not to mention they are traditional enemies of the progressive left, and these days seemingly the anti-intervention right. They've even legalised propagandising the American people, which (if one didn't know any better :) ) might suggest they were planning on misinforming the public quite a bit.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @06:34PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 08 2018, @06:34PM (#718902)

      Don't align yourself with Robert "weapons of mass destruction" Mueller... a proven liar on Iraq.

      I was not surprised when I googled your claim and the first five hits were russian propaganda sites.

      If that's not proof that Mueller's investigation has got the russians quaking I don't know what is.

      BTW, Mueller has made no substantive public or off-the-record statements about the investigation for anyone to "align" with. That ship is so tight that it hasn't leaked a single drop.
      But he has collected six guilty pleas from five criminals:

          o Michael Flynn - Whitehouse National Security Advisor
          o George Papadapolous - Campaign National Security Advisor
          o Richard Gates - Lieutenant to Campaign Chair
          o Richard Penedo - Broker of stolen identities to Russians
          o Alex van der Zwaan - Son-in-law of Russian oligarch German Khan (owner of Alfa Group)

      • (Score: 2) by Pav on Thursday August 09 2018, @01:45AM

        by Pav (114) on Thursday August 09 2018, @01:45AM (#719181)

        Googled myself, and I did get RT... but those other "Russian propaganda sites" were Washington Post, CNN and Wikipedia... even Mother Jones - "Lie by lie - how we got into Iraq". I suppose they've all become Putin puppets, right? McCarthyism = not engaging with an argument, and smearing ideological enemies as traitors... way to prove my point!

        BTW, have you seen the bullshit charges those "Trump scalps" have been pulled up on? eg. lying to the FBI, "ordinary" corrupt Washington practices, wire fraud etc... I have no doubt Trump is neck-deep in garden variety corruption, as are most of these oligarchs and their political servants. Makes a good headline though (provided noone reads into it too deeply).