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on Tuesday February 19 2019, @05:14PM
from the how-many-candidates-are-there-now? dept.
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"Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)........is launching a second run for the White House in 2020." breitbart.com/politics/2019/02/19/bernie-sanders-2020-bid
"Reaction to the news was split......with some supporting the 77-year-old and others upset with the move." foxnews.com/politics/trump-campaign-pokes-fun-at-bernie-sanders-2020-announcement-as-reaction-splits-on-candidacy
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Q: What is purple and commutes?
A: An Abelian grape.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 19 2019, @07:52PM (12 children)
Anon from European country here. Uhm.. I liked your Bernie, the Ron Paul dude who looked like Magneto from the X-Men movies and if he would really do it instead of teasing Lawrence Lessig (creative-commons dude). HOWEVER, who I want to watch as your president on TV next, would preferably be uhm.. some of your Wrestlers (only if they keep the Wrestler persona in office) or perhaps one of your mega-corps (aren't they legally persons over-there?). Yes Mr. Google! Yes Mr. Amazon! "Alexa please direct my calls to...", oh hey what about Oprah!
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Tuesday February 19 2019, @08:13PM (6 children)
Jesse Ventura? Unfortunately Arnold Schwartzenegger wasn't born in the U.S. so he's ineligible to be elected president.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Tuesday February 19 2019, @08:51PM (2 children)
Yeah, I'm totally bummed about that. The only way he could reasonably become president is hey wait a sec ...
Schwarzenegger -- The Running Mate -- 2020 .
I'm in.
(Score: 3, Informative) by tangomargarine on Tuesday February 19 2019, @11:20PM (1 child)
Pretty sure the same requirement applies to the Vice President as well.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by RandomFactor on Tuesday February 19 2019, @11:50PM
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 19 2019, @10:31PM (1 child)
It's time, for President Camacho!!!!11!!!!
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Thexalon on Wednesday February 20 2019, @03:47PM
As a number of people have pointed out, President Camacho, for all his many faults, is doing a few things most presidents these days aren't:
1. He by all appearances is genuinely concerned about the many problems facing his country and is trying to solve them.
2. His solution revolves around finding the smartest and most knowledgeable people he can to address the problem.
3. He remains remarkably accessible to his constituents, to the point where anyone who wants to can show up to a kegger with the president.
4. He willingly steps aside when a better leader shows up, and supports that successor.
"Think of how stupid the average person is. Then realize half of 'em are stupider than that." - George Carlin
(Score: 2) by Username on Tuesday February 19 2019, @11:36PM
I nominate Ric Flair for that persona.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 19 2019, @10:52PM (3 children)
Idiocracy is a great movie that you would probably enjoy.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday February 19 2019, @11:07PM (2 children)
The more I see of this country the more I think that movie was a documentary disguised as a comedy...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by RandomFactor on Tuesday February 19 2019, @11:51PM
I've said it before. Nostradamus wrote a sci-fi.
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday February 20 2019, @05:45PM
The more I see of this country the more I think that movie was a documentary disguised as a comedy...
A lot of the times, they are. Try 'Candide' by Voltaire, for example. That shit was hilarious at the time.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 23 2019, @08:15PM
You'd enjoy the book "Empire of Illusion"!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 19 2019, @09:16PM (4 children)
You got a second chance you don't deserve. Don't completely fuck it up like last time.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 19 2019, @11:00PM
No need for me to fuck it up, the DNC will do it for me.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 19 2019, @11:04PM (2 children)
Sanders didn't fuck up anything, the DNC did. Well, I guess he could have run as an independent but I think he knew that wouldn't have worked.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 20 2019, @08:19AM (1 child)
I didn't say Sanders fucked anything up, i said DNC and US voters did. Sanders running again is the second chance.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 20 2019, @05:17PM
They get that chamce every election cycle though..
(Score: 2) by mendax on Tuesday February 19 2019, @11:26PM (6 children)
Feel the Bern!
Actually, I'm not all that excited about a Bernie Sanders presidency. He'd do a good job no doubt, but let's be frank: he's too old for the job. I'd rather not have a candidate running and have to seriously be concerned about who his vice-president is because of the likelihood that he would become president due to something "unfortunate" happening due the Sanders' advanced age.
It's really quite a simple choice: Life, Death, or Los Angeles.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday February 20 2019, @12:35AM (5 children)
If only we could cure or dramatically slow aging in the next 2-3 years.
As President, he would have access to some of the best health care in the world. The last President to die in office of natural causes was Franklin D. Roosevelt... at age 63. Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford, and George H.W. Bush died at age 93-94. If Jimmy Carter lives for another 30 days, he will become the oldest former U.S. President in history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_who_died_in_office [wikipedia.org]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_United_States_by_age [wikipedia.org]
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(Score: 2) by mendax on Wednesday February 20 2019, @12:47AM (1 child)
True, but people with access to great health care die every day. One should also keep in mind that being the president ages the incumbent tremendously. Bush Jr., Obama, and Carter all noticeably aged significantly while they were in office. And you should look at pictures of President Lincoln taken in 1860 and then compare them to those taken in 1865. How would this affect a president who is already quite old? That is an interesting question.
It's really quite a simple choice: Life, Death, or Los Angeles.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Wednesday February 20 2019, @04:04PM
The worst that can happen is what happened to William Henry Harrison, who got sick on his inauguration day and never recovered.
My take on the age thing: Yes, Bernie's old. He's also in pretty good health for his age - last time he ran, he was on video running and shooting hoops. If his VP is someone who is closely aligned with his goals then him dying in office or resigning due to illness won't be all that disruptive really. There are even a provision in the 25th Amendment for a president to voluntarily turn things over to the VP temporarily if they are unable to do their job (this has happened a few times due to presidents undergoing medical procedures), and also a provision for his VP and cabinet to take control if he's unable to make that declaration himself (e.g. he's in a coma). Having a closely aligned VP is also important for preventing assassination, which is an issue for the vast majority of presidents.
I definitely get the impression that presidents age prematurely though: It looks to me like 1 year as president = about 2.5 years for a normal person. If Bernie won, he'd end his first term with the health of about a 90-year-old, which could be a serious problem or could be like my fairly healthy grandmother who's a bit older than that.
"Think of how stupid the average person is. Then realize half of 'em are stupider than that." - George Carlin
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 20 2019, @04:09AM (2 children)
"If only we could cure or dramatically slow aging in the next 2-3 years.
As President, he would have access to some of the best health care in the world."
You, on the other hand, would not.
Questions?
(Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday February 20 2019, @04:37AM
When am I getting my UBI and Medicare for All?
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(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Wednesday February 20 2019, @04:06PM
Do you think you have access to some of the best health care in the world right now? If so, you're wrong.
"Think of how stupid the average person is. Then realize half of 'em are stupider than that." - George Carlin
(Score: 2) by GlennC on Wednesday February 20 2019, @01:29AM (4 children)
I admit that I voted for Sanders in the 2016 primary. However, after he rolled over to Clinton and got himself a new "vacation house", I now refer to him as Senator Sellout.
There's nobody currently running that I would consider voting for. I see no situation where this will change, although I do have some slight hope for 3rd parties.
Sorry folks...the world is bigger and more varied than you want it to be. Deal with it.
(Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 20 2019, @05:25AM (1 child)
I know, right? The russian hackers stole the last election from Hillary, but everybody knows that it's her turn in 2020.
Hillary should just announce her candidacy already. All of the other unappealing candidates could then withdraw at that point in time to be on the right side of history.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 20 2019, @07:52AM
Relax. I've already paid off the Russian hackers, and they'll force the election to the person I told them to make win.
Me!
Sure, I won't be on the ballot, but that's a minor technicality, since the hackers will make it look like a massive country-wide write-in vote. Of course it will also be the last election, since we won't need any after that.
Don't worry, in my
reign of terrorbenevolent rule I won't forget all the people here at SoylentNews. Your deaths will be quick and painless. Aren't I the nice one.(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 20 2019, @11:40AM
Senator Survivalist is probably closer, given the propensity for self-inflicted harm displayed by those who thwart the Clintons. If he had run in opposition to HRC past the primaries it would have absolutely guaranteed she lost in a landslide. She wouldn't forgive that, and he would have an attack of conscience and shoot himself in the back of the head, twice. Or maybe drop a 400lb weight on his neck while working out in a strangely empty gym.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Thexalon on Wednesday February 20 2019, @04:11PM
Regarding the "roll over to Hillary" thing: I always got the impression his view at that point was that Trump would be an absolute disaster, and he saw rolling over to Hillary to be the best chance of preventing that. Hillary has her faults, many of them, but she also never gave the impression of wanting to wreck everything if she didn't get her way.
"Think of how stupid the average person is. Then realize half of 'em are stupider than that." - George Carlin
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 20 2019, @02:02AM
And the DNC has changed the rules since last time to require a candidate to be a Democrat.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday February 20 2019, @01:45PM (6 children)
The Democratic Party is still the corrupt monster that rigged the nomination for Hillary. They won't get a vote from me again for so much as dogcatcher.
Even if they hadn't rigged the nomination, I wouldn't vote for them anymore because they have jumped off the cliffs of insanity. The people who have become the darlings there want to kill me because I am a white Christian heterosexual man. They want everyone to bend over backwards to appease an infinitesimally small percentage of the population who don't know if they're boys or girls. They actively hate America and everything it stands for. They want to expand a government that desperately needs to be scrapped and rebuilt from scratch to 21st century standards.
Finally, I wouldn't vote for Democrats because the 1%/Masters of the Universe/Deep State have their hands firmly up their backside and use them like sock puppets. I want to chop off the hand that animates the puppet, not watch it dance some more.
As such, I have no interest in voting for Bernie Sanders as a Democrat, even though he was my pick last time. If he ran as an independent I might consider him, but it's also a fact that he's very old now.
I won't vote for Elizabeth Warren for the same reasons. Once I would have bled for her, but she missed that window when she decided not to run last time and kissed the ring of her Satanic Majesty.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 20 2019, @05:20PM (2 children)
You drank the kool-aid. No one wants to kill you, stop being stupid.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday February 20 2019, @06:22PM (1 child)
Omae wa mou shindeiru.
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(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 20 2019, @07:53PM
Nani???
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday February 20 2019, @06:11PM
So what are you going to do?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by GlennC on Thursday February 21 2019, @01:41AM (1 child)
I agree with you, and extend the sentiment to the "Republicans." They're two sides of the same group of ass-kissers.
Sorry folks...the world is bigger and more varied than you want it to be. Deal with it.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday February 23 2019, @01:37PM
No argument from me on that. They're the other side of the rigged coin.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by chewbacon on Wednesday February 20 2019, @06:29PM
Bernie just woke up the morning of this announcement thinking it's 2015 and Obama is still in office. Poor guy and his senior moments.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 21 2019, @04:28AM
At this rate, Trump may very well win again in 2020. All the DNC needs to do is run a candidate with no controversies or scandals, since Trump thrives on character assassination. Who are the candidates so far? Elizabeth Warren, who has already been mocked repeatedly by Trump for falsely saying that she's Native; Kamala Harris, who is being accused of helping Jussie to fake his lynching to push her anti-lynching bill; and Bernie Sanders, a socialist in a country where over half of the population thinks the government shouldn't even cover healthcare, who never accomplished anything in congress for over 20 years, and has made offensive comments about rape in the past, which will kill him in the #metoo era. It's a given that Trump won't accept loss, as he established in 2016, so having a clean opponent is especially important to rally the country around instead of dividing the country and potentially allowing Trump to stay in government without being elected, because he will likely try that.