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posted by martyb on Friday February 22 2019, @08:31AM   Printer-friendly
from the it-can-always-get-worse dept.

https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/2186606/chinas-social-credit-system-shows-its-teeth-banning-millions

Millions of Chinese individuals and businesses have been labelled as untrustworthy on an official blacklist banning them from any number of activities, including accessing financial markets or traveling by air or train, as the use of the government’s social credit system accelerates.

[...] Over 3.59 million Chinese enterprises were added to the official creditworthiness blacklist last year, banning them from a series of activities, including bidding on projects, accessing security markets, taking part in land auctions and issuing corporate bonds, according to the 2018 annual report released by the National Public Credit Information Center.

[...] According to the report, the authorities collected over 14.21 million pieces of information on the “untrustworthy conduct” of individuals and businesses, including charges of swindling customers, failing to repay loans, illegal fund collection, false and misleading advertising, as well as uncivilized behavior such as taking reserved seats on trains or causing trouble in hospitals.

About 17.46 million “discredited” people were restricted from buying plane tickets and 5.47 million were restricted from purchasing high-speed train tickets, the report said.

I, for one, welcome our new, well-behaved party overlords.


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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Friday February 22 2019, @01:57PM (7 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday February 22 2019, @01:57PM (#805021)

    Well, there's another way to look at this, the US has a prison population of 2.2 million, or 1/159 - so, this "social discredit" system in China affects about 1/79 Chinese, or roughly twice as many per-capita, but... much more efficiently than housing, feeding and guarding them. These discredited Chinese have far more freedom than the US prisoners. Yes, China also keeps prisoners, but only ~1.6 million, or 1/860.

    Then we can talk about the 4.5 million in the US who are on parole.

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Friday February 22 2019, @02:15PM (1 child)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 22 2019, @02:15PM (#805032) Journal

    Yes, China also keeps prisoners, but only ~1.6 million, or 1/860.

    That China talks about. Who knows how many people they keep that they don't talk about.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @10:00PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @10:00PM (#805342)

      and does that include the Falun Gong they harvest for their organs

  • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @02:55PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @02:55PM (#805046)

    And how many are on the US no fly list, with no judicial oversight?

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by JoeMerchant on Friday February 22 2019, @03:37PM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday February 22 2019, @03:37PM (#805075)

      And how many are on the US no fly list, with no judicial oversight?

      I could tell you, but you'll have to meet me in Gitmo first...

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @11:24PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 22 2019, @11:24PM (#805372)

    But normalize the data by removing African Americans and you'll find the Chinese incarceration rate is about 25x the American rate.

    • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Saturday February 23 2019, @12:25AM (1 child)

      by bob_super (1357) on Saturday February 23 2019, @12:25AM (#805398)

      I know this decade has looked a lot like the 30s, but I didn't realize we had gotten to the point of normalizing a situation by removing millions of people yet.

      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Saturday February 23 2019, @03:51AM

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Saturday February 23 2019, @03:51AM (#805463)

        Also, no need to feed the trolls - a Chinese imprisonment rate 25x the rate of non-African American imprisonment would imply only 1/21,000 non-African Americans are imprisoned, or a total of less than 15,000 non-African Americans imprisoned. I believe Florida alone exceeds that number.

        Sure, old white guys run the courts, the prisons, and most of the police, sure African Americans end up on the wrong side of old white guys' laws more often than white people do. It's bad and it needs to improve. But, it has improved dramatically in the last 100 years, and continues to do so - with the occasional orange taint throwing a minority nostalgia fueled setback.

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