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on Sunday March 17 2019, @07:12AM
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breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/15/donald-trump-vetoes-attempt-to-block-national-emergency
President Donald Trump vetoed a bill designed to block his emergency declaration at the Southern Border on Friday, in a ceremony at the White House.
“Today, I am vetoing this resolution,” Trump said. “Congress has the freedom to pass this resolution and I have the duty to veto it. And I’m very proud to veto it.”
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(Score: 2, Flamebait) by physicsmajor on Sunday March 17 2019, @05:15PM (5 children)
You're pretty ignorant about the border, friend. The claim that it's already under 24/7 surveillance exposes it hilariously.
A physical barrier is imperfect, but serves a similar propose as the locks on your home: deterrence. Lockpicks are available, sure, but you still have locks don't you? So the least common denominator can't walk in any time. This is the purpose a wall serves. It does not have to be perfect to dramatically ameliorate the problem.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 17 2019, @09:27PM (2 children)
False analogy. Houses have ceilings and floors, and are much smaller than the southern border. Thus, tunneling under them or climbing over them with ladders would be ineffective, unlike with a giant wall in the middle of nowhere.
(Score: 2) by EEMac on Sunday March 17 2019, @09:32PM (1 child)
Walls worked for Israel [politifact.com], China [reddit.com], Hungary [breitbart.com] . . .
(Score: 2) by arslan on Monday March 18 2019, @05:55AM
There's also a big "wall" between North & South Korea... sure it is primarily a piece of land with fences on both sides, but it is what's inside that counts =)
When I saw Trump propose this in his election campaign, I though he was gonna spin this into a win-win... you know maybe build a golf course on top or at least a driving range - get part of the cover fee to employ those waiting to be processed to go collect golf balls or something. Do some tourism murica campaign to Asia about this new radical golfing joint - get all those govie and charity sponsored "workshops" & "offsite team building" events there. Win, win for everyone.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday March 18 2019, @07:40AM
I need to make a point for "the other side" here.
Yes, a simple wall, or even a simple fence, will deter the lowest common denominator to which you refer. But, the LCD doesn't even come to the border. The LCD's of the various populations to our south, stay home, and live their lives. You would have a hard time forcing them to walk a thousand miles or more, just to make a death defying walk across the desert, to climb over some Normandy Beach type barricades.
Those people who have made that thousand mile trek are pretty determined. If they know beforehand that they need a twelve foot ladder, then there will be a twelve foot ladder with the group - probably two of them, so that they don't have to jump down from the top of the wall.
You're right, we cut down on the number of people willing to make the trek, simply because they know there is a wall there. But, no wall is enough. We MUST patrol the wall, more effectively than we already do. We MUST install surveillance that is far more effective than we already have. We should know well in advance any time a group of five or more starts moving toward the wall. We have satellites that can scan in infrared, ultraviolet, visible light, and various forms of radar. We have all of that, and more that can be mounted on the fence. We can wire the fence for sound, to the point we can hear owls and bats gliding over the fence at night.
And, we have PEOPLE. I insist that there should be (at least) an army division regularly patrolling the badlands. We already have the army. We already have more than enough people in the army. All we need do, is decide to task a division with patrolling and securing that border. Unfortunately, we lack the determination to do so.
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(Score: 2) by Arik on Monday March 18 2019, @09:32AM
The sonoran desert straddles the border and it's under intense surveillance. There are satellites, of course, there are also blimps. Some days they come down low enough you can spot them, if you know where to look, but even when they're so far up you can't see them, they are watching. Internet surveillance is constant and pervasive regardless of location, of course. Finally there are checkpoints, numerous checkpoints both at the border and far, far inland from it, for one more layer of surveillance.
The sensible crossing points already have walls, or at least fences, and more cameras. But even when folks detour way out into the sonoran and cross in the middle of the desert where there is no wall and no guards, you know what happens? Border patrol gets a call from the eye in the sky and they go out in the middle of the desert and pick them up. They bring water and medicine when they do this - that desert is mean and the folks they pick up are typically in bad shape and wind up being rescued as much as intercepted but the point is it happens. It happens because the entire area is under constant surveillance, even if you go around all the walls you don't get in that way. It just gets you a short stay in custody followed by a free bus ride back to the border. This happens constantly.
It's ignorant of you to not grasp this basic fact, something which is known and reported and easily verified if you wanted to do any research.
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