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posted by martyb on Tuesday March 10 2020, @11:51PM   Printer-friendly
from the quite-the-coc-up dept.

Open Source Initiative bans co-founder, Eric S Raymond:

Last week, Eric S Raymond (often known as ESR, author of The Cathedral and the Bazaar, and co-founder of the Open Source Intiative) was banned from the Open Source Intiative[sic] (the "OSI").

Specifically, Raymond was banned from the mailing lists used to organize and communicate with the OSI.

For an organization to ban their founder from communicating with the group (such as via a mailing list) is a noteworthy move.

At a time when we have seen other founders (of multiple Free and Open Source related initiatives) pushed out of the organizations they founded (such as with Richard Stallman being compelled to resign from the Free Software Foundation, or the attempts to remove Linus Torvalds from the Linux Kernel – both of which happened within the last year) it seems worth taking a deeper look at what, specifically, is happening with the Open Source Initiative.

I don't wish to tell any of you what you should think about this significant move. As such I will simply provide as much of the relevant information as I can, show the timeline of events, and reach out to all involved parties for their points of view and comments.

The author provides links to — and quotations from — entries on the mailing list supporting this. There is also a conversation the author had with ESR. The full responses he received to his queries are posted, as well.


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @12:02AM (22 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @12:02AM (#969349)

    Here is the problem: Coraline Ada Ehmke

    She has done more than anybody else to cause destructive internal strife in Open Source software projects. Her being on the OSI board is simply appalling. OSI needs to be defunded and ignored if she can not be removed.

    It's so bad that you have to wonder if Coraline Ada Ehmke is secretly paid by a company like Oracle. Her path of destruction is huge. She puts a lot of effort into ruining Open Source, and she's damn good at it.

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  • (Score: 2) by crafoo on Wednesday March 11 2020, @12:11AM (10 children)

    by crafoo (6639) on Wednesday March 11 2020, @12:11AM (#969356)

    Nah, it's pretty much the same infiltrate - cop-opt - destroy process these postmodern psychopaths used everywhere else.

    • (Score: 2, Troll) by barbara hudson on Wednesday March 11 2020, @12:16AM (8 children)

      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Wednesday March 11 2020, @12:16AM (#969362) Journal
      What do you expect from a webmonkey? Something useful?
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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @06:18AM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @06:18AM (#969521)

        Haha, Coraline-Ada is from the wrong kind of rainbow!

        You've been shoving the diversity phallus down our throats since how long but you're just another transphobic-Ruby hater.

        • (Score: 2, Troll) by barbara hudson on Wednesday March 11 2020, @08:24AM (6 children)

          by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Wednesday March 11 2020, @08:24AM (#969558) Journal
          Web "developers " are by definition the wrong kind of anything. Has nothing to do with anything except their propensity to fuck up everything they touch.
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          • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @02:42PM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @02:42PM (#969631)

            You are criticizing a transgender person, so your comments are automatically dismissed as transphobic.

            • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Wednesday March 11 2020, @04:15PM (3 children)

              by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Wednesday March 11 2020, @04:15PM (#969677) Journal

              You are criticizing a transgender person, so your comments are automatically dismissed as transphobic.

              You're also criticizing a transgender person, so your comments are automatically dismissed as transphobic.

              See how stupid that is? No group is above criticism. That you would attempt to attack me, even though I didn't make any reference to their being trans in my criticism, just being a comparatively useless web monkey, betrays your true motivation. The only trans-misogynist here is you. (well, not the only one - this site has lots of them, same as every other site on the internet).

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 12 2020, @08:10AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 12 2020, @08:10AM (#970148)

                Transgender, . . . catfight? These are times that truly try the souls of cis males! Especially those who don't want to just be dicks.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 13 2020, @01:14AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday March 13 2020, @01:14AM (#970493)

                >You're also criticizing a transgender person,
                I was not aware of this. Please forgive me.
                You are truly blessed to have an actual say in matters regarding Coraline Ada Ehmke. If I, or any other cisgendered individual, were to voice a negative opinion, it would be labelled as hate speech and discarded.

                • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Sunday March 15 2020, @03:55PM

                  by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Sunday March 15 2020, @03:55PM (#971584) Journal

                  I wouldn't discard it because you're cisgendered. That would be stupid, and if there's one thing I;m not, it's stupid. Stubborn, sure, but not stupid.

                  Had an interesting discussion with a social worker this week, and one of the topics we talked about was the toxic lifestyle of many in the lbgt community. More violence, more drugs, more chemsex, more tobacco use, Even the people who live in the "gay village" here because "it's safer" complain about the violence.

                  It's not safer. But saying this is "oh noes!" Same as pointing out that Pride is now useless, having become an occasion for politicians and corporations to gay-wash themselves being run by people just wanting to keep their jobs running the event.

                  Would I ever go to the gay village? Hell, no! The prejudice and outright hatred of gays towards transwomen is well documented. Wanting to live as normal a life as possible is seen as being a "traitor to the cause." Even though the goal is to be treated the same as everyone else - ie: "normal".

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          • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Saturday March 14 2020, @09:58PM

            by hendrikboom (1125) on Saturday March 14 2020, @09:58PM (#971336) Homepage Journal

            Ah! If they would only fsck up everything they touched instead!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @06:04PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @06:04PM (#969730)

      Nah, it's pretty much the same infiltrate - cop-opt - destroy process these postmodern psychopaths used everywhere else.

      Incitation of 'hate crimes' is their specialty. It's part of the Misandrist Movement.

  • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Wednesday March 11 2020, @01:22AM (5 children)

    by Grishnakh (2831) on Wednesday March 11 2020, @01:22AM (#969385)

    Who is this person? I've never heard of her. But admittedly I haven't kept up with open-source politics in quite a while; it was a lot more interesting and exciting back in the late 90s and early 00s, but then it seemed to lose its steam, plus Gnome and its culture of minimalism and non-customizability took over, and it seemed like Linux/OSS was basically taken over by corporations.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by driverless on Wednesday March 11 2020, @02:04AM

      by driverless (4770) on Wednesday March 11 2020, @02:04AM (#969408)

      Never heard of her either, but she's the author of this [contributor-covenant.org]. It reads like the Constitution of the Soviet Union, perfectly reasonable-sounding on the surface but then when it comes to how it's applied in practice...

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @02:13AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @02:13AM (#969422)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coraline_Ada_Ehmke [wikipedia.org]

      You can see from her "career" section on how her influence slowly spread.

      • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @02:24AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @02:24AM (#969431)

        The Personal life section also explains how he spread his influence.

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @04:58AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @04:58AM (#969494)

          So we got all the CoCs from a cock. Not surprised.

        • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @07:36AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @07:36AM (#969544)

          I had forgotten, if I ever knew.

          One look at the photo on Wikipedia makes the situation clear. The thing looks like a man with lipstick, probably because it is or was. In any case it isn't a real woman and never will be one.

          It wants female pronouns. Many logical people would use male pronouns, which is a reasonable approach to the problem. I prefer neuter pronouns, because it is neutered and no longer fully human. Let's go with it/it/its.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @08:54AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @08:54AM (#969567)

    If he's on board, the ship is lost already.
    It would be interesting to hear about how this process starts, where scummy politicians gain power in an organization.

  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @01:47PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @01:47PM (#969607)

    her

    Coraline is a man, just image search for his name. Otherwise you aren't wrong, he aims to centralize the control over what is considered wrongthink in all "free" software on his hands.

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @04:59PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 11 2020, @04:59PM (#969697)

    OSI needs to be defunded and ignored if she can not be removed.

    The SJWs are a joint Saudi-British spy ring. [ukmediawatch.org] They have the resources of the British Empire, George Soros, the Rothschilds, and all of the Islamic states behind them. You will never de-fund them.

    • (Score: 2) by kazzie on Wednesday March 11 2020, @06:51PM

      by kazzie (5309) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 11 2020, @06:51PM (#969745)

      One of the greatest resources of the British Empire is solar energy, because the sun never sets.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 12 2020, @02:30AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 12 2020, @02:30AM (#970027)

      The SJWs are a joint Saudi-British spy ring. [ukmediawatch.org] They have the resources of the British Empire, George Soros, the Rothschilds, and all of the Islamic states behind them. You will never de-fund them.

      You, apparently, are too stupid to realize that the 'OSI' being referred to in this thread is Open Source Initiative [opensource.org] and not the Open Society Institute [opensocietyfoundations.org] in the ridiculous piece to which you linked.

      Good for you. Stupid people need a platform too! You go, girl!