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Public health experts at the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have leaked their recommendations on how to safely reopen businesses amid the COVID-19 pandemic—after officials in the Trump administration rejected the guidance and allegedly told CDC officials their plan would "never see the light of day."
The 17-page document (PDF found here) was initially set to be published last Friday but was nixed. Instead, it was released to the Associated Press by a CDC official who was not authorized to release it.
The guidance lays out detailed, phased recommendations for how to safely reopen child care programs, schools, day camps, faith communities, businesses with vulnerable workers, restaurants, bars, and mass transit. Though some of the general points laid out already appear on federal websites—such as an emphasis on hand hygiene—the document uniquely offers tailored recommendations for each type of business.
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(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2020, @11:38AM (42 children)
Trump opening sued for copyright infringement by goatse.
(Score: 5, Informative) by SpockLogic on Friday May 08 2020, @11:51AM (41 children)
Die you Boomers, you peasants, you little people, none of you are important enough. Sacrifice yourselves to the greater glory of the Trump kleptocracy.
Overreacting is one thing, sticking your head up your ass hoping the problem goes away is another - edIII
(Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday May 08 2020, @01:06PM (40 children)
You're not important enough to tank the entire economy and leave a nation starving and living in tents. Those guidelines would mean a hell of a lot of businesses (you know, the guys without which you have no job) have no alternative but to close up shop permanently unless they have cash enough stashed away to pay the bills until people quit panicking. If the CDC guidelines are accepted, anyone not following them, despite common sense saying otherwise or even impossibility, will have the complete shit sued out of them.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Friday May 08 2020, @02:52PM (8 children)
Hey, Buzz, lemme cheer you: those $1T+ coronavirus help funds for businesses, from which you'll see almost nothing... you'll have to pay it from your pocket.
Even more, with that much money and not enough goods, you retirement cache will need some supplements, you'll get to let those catfish be and go back to work.
Now, $1 question is: who done it?
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: -1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday May 08 2020, @03:37PM (2 children)
Jews did this. All the small business money went to Ruth's Chris instead of mom-and-pop restaurants, and they all profited from the stock market fluctuations based on advanced knowledge just as they did insider trading right before 9/11 hit.
When the people gather their torches and pitchforks, Jews and the politicians controlled by them and the Chinese will be on the receiving end of those. Then all the Mexicans will be marched back into Mexico and America will be Made Great Again.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Friday May 08 2020, @05:02PM (1 child)
I think you mean REPUBLICANS.
Republican Senators Dumped Stock Before Coronavirus, Without Warning Us [nymag.com]
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2020, @05:56PM
Did your political officer fail to mention Dianne Feinstein to you? https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51976484 [bbc.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2020, @06:47PM
Mmmmm, I love the sound of idiots getting smacked in the morning! Keep it up c0lo :-)
(Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday May 08 2020, @10:34PM (3 children)
You'll see less (not none, just less) unemployed motherfuckers. Which was the idea.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2020, @11:41PM (2 children)
So reality is that unless we increase the policing workforce by like 5x there is just no way businesses and individuals will take the safety precautions seriously.
Just today I had to go somewhere to open an account, older conservative dude was obviously a bit miffed that I was wearing a bandana on my face and backed off when he came close. I explained my reasoning, and it was clear he thinks the virus is a big nothing-burger. At least he was friendly after that, and I clarified I was doing it for HIS protection not mine which probably helped his attitude.
Until someone they love gets seriously ill or dies most people just don't treat the threat seriously. Not long ago YOU were saying the same, thankfully you are more open to reality compared to the average Republican.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday May 09 2020, @11:09AM
Oh I still think it's mostly a nothingburger. The only ones at significant risk of anything (beyond what NyQuil and a week off will fix) are old folks and even they're not at nearly as much risk as the folks determined to make it an economy-destroying disaster want them to think.
And, yeah, I dunno why the folks at the bank get cranky when you show up looking like you're looking to rob a train or a stagecoach or something. Ain't no call for profiling a guy like that.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by driverless on Monday May 11 2020, @05:41AM
Don't worry, Trump is working hard to make sure as many people as possible will get to experience that.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2020, @04:00PM (14 children)
How about we roll back those massive tax cuts to the rich?
Have you seen what the great economic geniuses (stable ones, I'm sure) in the Administration want to do? Cut taxes even more! Cut capital gains! Extend tax cuts that don't take effect until three years from now! That will surely jump start things now, letting businesses put off spending until years later.
The only reasons trump wants to open up so fast is that he wants an improving economy to claim come November, no matter the cost. And no matter how bad that cost is, he'll be telling you how much worse it would have been if he didn't ban Chinese nationals (but no one else) from traveling at the end of January. I think we can all agree that after doing that (with still 40,000 people came over after that), it was "mission accomplished" and time to play golf all February.
You really want to put the lives of thousands of people in the hands of these geniuses? Pretty much everything they've put forward so far doesn't do shit for getting people back to work safely.
(Score: 5, Touché) by DannyB on Friday May 08 2020, @05:18PM (1 child)
Do you realize what an insanely stupid idea that is?
Without the rich, how would the wealth trickle down to the rest of us?
Do you even realize the hardship this would cause for people to have to scale back on yachts, third and fourth homes, private jets, and other essentials?
The Jupiter 2 is headed into a region of highly energized saran wrap.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2020, @09:20PM
It's barely worth taking the yacht to Cannes this year - I heard they, ahem,... canned it. Geddit? Canned [soylentnews.org].
(Score: 2, Redundant) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday May 08 2020, @10:31PM (11 children)
What you tax, you get less of. What you subsidize, you get more of. Do the math, noob.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2020, @11:51PM (3 children)
So we should subsidize healthcare and education in the US since we're sorely lacking in both metrics?
Thank you TMB, today you managed to do some good!
(Score: 2) by ChrisMaple on Saturday May 09 2020, @02:24AM (1 child)
Subsidies lead to more. More is not the same as better. Unfortunately, subsidies attract fraudsters and other bottom dwellers, as does almost any kind of government interference.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 09 2020, @05:05PM
When your healthcare choices are: none. Then I'd say more is better, wait let me think... yep, yeah more is better.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday May 09 2020, @11:11AM
"Should" is an entirely different discussion.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by jelizondo on Saturday May 09 2020, @12:09AM (4 children)
Really? They been taxing beer and spirits for decades now, even going so far calling them "sin taxes"?
I see more liquor stores, not less. Time to put your thinking cap on and ask: Am I wrong about taxes? Is the liquor killing my brain?
(Score: 2) by ChrisMaple on Saturday May 09 2020, @02:20AM (1 child)
The tax on alcohol is a pittance, and America is rich. Mother nature and economics limits the tax rate on alcohol, because anybody willing to put in the effort can make their own. To find something that taxation has materially affected, look at the sales of tobacco products. Most people can't grow their own tobacco, so there's nothing to stop places like New York from taxing cigarettes at more than 4 times production cost.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 09 2020, @05:07PM
Round and round you go! Weeeeeeh.....
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 09 2020, @06:50AM
He is an idiot. The sad thing is that the abusive people on SN like aristarchus, Azuma, TMB, EF etc. have driven away most normal people so we are destined to watch the idiots tank SN like they are tanking US.
At the end of the day, it will all boil down to "who has the bigger bomb". SN has fortunately no power over my life so... time pass :D
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday May 09 2020, @11:13AM
Yes, really. Booze is barely taxed. If you want a good example, go with cigarettes.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday May 09 2020, @04:01AM (1 child)
So, the more you tax income, the less you get of it...
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 3, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday May 09 2020, @11:24AM
Tautologies are tautological, yes.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by SpockLogic on Friday May 08 2020, @07:13PM (9 children)
Translation :- You're not important enough to live.
Overreacting is one thing, sticking your head up your ass hoping the problem goes away is another - edIII
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2020, @09:25PM
Right. Not at the cost of all our lives.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday May 08 2020, @10:32PM (6 children)
That's not a translation, that's an outright statement. Less than a percent of the population dying is preferable to the entire population living in abject poverty and starvation.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Touché) by SpockLogic on Friday May 08 2020, @10:42PM (3 children)
Me dead is better than you in abject poverty. Got it.
Overreacting is one thing, sticking your head up your ass hoping the problem goes away is another - edIII
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2020, @11:06PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-deaths-suicides-drugs-alcohol-pandemic-75000/ [cbsnews.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 09 2020, @12:19AM
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday May 09 2020, @11:25AM
You dead is better than nearly everyone being in abject poverty, yes. So is me dead. So is any tiny percentage of the population.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 08 2020, @11:43PM (1 child)
If you want to volunteer to die so I can haz a big mac, you go right ahead.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday May 09 2020, @11:26AM
No cheezburger for you. Basement cat is coming for your soul.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by digitalaudiorock on Saturday May 09 2020, @05:46PM
Even if the notion that we need to sacrifice 10s (if not 100s) of thousands of working class, elderly, and other innocent lives to "save the economy" weren't reprehensible in every way (and almost surely not even true), it's sort of a moot argument that ignores another likely scenario. We have states broadly opening up despite the fact that their cases likely haven't even peaked, and the fact that they're not even following guidelines from the white house (no surprise Trump is praising them for doing so). What happens when this backfires and causes massive uncontrollable outbreaks??...lockdowns that will send us into an economic ice age that'll make the current scene look like the fucking baby boom. Great job of coming up with a worst of all worlds solution.
Let's not kid ourselves. None of this is about "saving the economy" anyway...it's about saving the election for the orange fucking idiot...collateral carnage be damned. Never thought I'd live to see the day.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 09 2020, @04:10AM (2 children)
Maybe we could have actual social safety nets so that that doesn't happen. Nah, fuck it, reopen the economy and let everyone starve and die anyway!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday May 09 2020, @11:27AM (1 child)
Erm, government social safety nets only work when you have money being made to tax. When nobody's working, you can not have a social safety net.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 09 2020, @05:10PM
Or if we need $2T to fund the yacht parade, then it's RIGHT THERE.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday May 09 2020, @04:12AM (2 children)
Yeah, I read 'em, and I was like... how da fuck?? Yeah, provided everyone has infinite time and patience (or a cadre of retarded monkeys to do the repetitive work), and about six times the income to cover the time wasted on procedures that will soon become too perfunctory to bother with. If you're an aged-care facility or a hospital, do the dance; you're supposed to protect your inmates. Otherwise... no fucking wonder Trump administration said No.
Just wear a damn mask in public (prevents transmission of the whole cluster of respiratory viruses), wash your hands occasionally (or if you're a vulnerable, wear disposable gloves), and otherwise don't worry too much about it. Beyond that, open the hell up and be done with it.
As to "social distancing" in restaurants and the like, seems to me cheap paper screens would be both effective and decorative.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday May 09 2020, @11:28AM (1 child)
Specially in oriental restaurants.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Saturday May 09 2020, @01:22PM
Hey, now every place can be a fancy Japanese restaurant. :D
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.