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posted by Fnord666 on Thursday June 25 2020, @06:55PM   Printer-friendly
from the bad-company dept.

Huawei on List of 20 Chinese Companies That Pentagon Says Are Controlled by People’s Liberation Army:

The Pentagon put Huawei Technologies and Hangzhou Hikvision Digital Technology on a list of 20 companies it says are owned or controlled by China's military, opening them up to potential additional U.S. sanctions.

In letters to lawmakers dated June 24, the Pentagon said it was providing a list of "Communist Chinese military companies operating in the United States." The list was first requested in the fiscal 1999 defense policy law.

This list includes "entities owned by, controlled by, or affiliated with China's government, military, or defense industry," Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman said in a statement.

[...] The companies on the list are:

Aviation Industry Corporation of China
China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation
China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation
China Electronics Technology Group Corporation
China South Industries Group Corporation
China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation
China State Shipbuilding Corporation
China North Industries Group Corporation
Huawei Technologies Co.
Hangzhou Hikvision Digital Technology Co.
Inspur Group; Aero Engine Corporation of China
China Railway Construction Corporation
CRRC Corp.; Panda Electronics Group
Dawning Information Industry Co.
China Mobile Communications Group
China General Nuclear Power Corp.
China National Nuclear Power Corp.
China Telecommunications Corp.

Given how inter-connected the world is, how practical would it be to avoid all such Chinese companies?


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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Thursday June 25 2020, @07:03PM (11 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday June 25 2020, @07:03PM (#1012558) Journal

    We can make an argument that _EVERYTHING_AND_EVERYBODY_ in China is "controlled by" the PLA.

    Look right here, in the US. Neither you nor I have constant hand-on control applied to us, each and every day. But, we are "controlled" by the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc. Do you pay your taxes? Sales tax? Yes, even on the internet now, because gubbermint decreed that it would be so. Income tax? Property tax? You mostly obey the traffic laws? I'll bet most of you address police officers as "Sir".

    If some assholes in the alphabet world are going to make such claims, maybe they should get really specific. General Chou owns China Immobile Asshattery, and Chairman Liu owns China Mobile Asshattery, and both are commanded by Wang High Command.

    I don't even much like China, or our relations with China. But I do get tired of all the silly bullshit. When I was a child, we could play "make believe" and come up with equal or better plots.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by krishnoid on Thursday June 25 2020, @07:41PM (7 children)

    by krishnoid (1156) on Thursday June 25 2020, @07:41PM (#1012581)

    In the US, at least, you can complain about the government and protest in the streets -- just the threat to crack down on anything like that in China seems like control enough.

    When all Internet traffic goes through a censorship firewall, your "social credit score" turns peer pressure into a published metric, I don't even know if they separate out the use of national-level military force to put down local uprisings, how can the Pentagon say that the level of im/explicit government "influence" over the entire civilian/industrial/military population there doesn't approach the level of what would be considered "control", or at least "undue influence" here?

    To be SJW about it, I use "officer". It's not like they're landed gentry or been knighted or something.

    • (Score: 4, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 25 2020, @10:04PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 25 2020, @10:04PM (#1012662)

      In the US, at least, you can complain about the government and protest in the streets --

      You can also be pepper sprayed and arrested for doing so, even when you are not hostile to the officers doing so.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2020, @05:17AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2020, @05:17AM (#1012787)

        Classic fascism

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2020, @02:05PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2020, @02:05PM (#1012840)

        Or be a reported on a live broadcast and get shot at by police with non-lethal but permanent injuring roundings.

        See here for lots of links: https://nitter.net/georgedoucette/ [nitter.net]

        And for the record he's a conservative former techie who is now a lawyer.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2020, @02:07PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2020, @02:07PM (#1012841)

          https://nitter.net/gregdoucette/ [nitter.net]

          That is somewhat awkward since the other is a windows guy :)

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2020, @02:19PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2020, @02:19PM (#1012846)

          Greg Douchette is a broke ass lawyer and full time Twitter clown. He should be the one doing the field reporting.

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Thursday June 25 2020, @10:15PM

      by Rosco P. Coltrane (4757) on Thursday June 25 2020, @10:15PM (#1012666)

      In the US, at least, you can complain about the government and protest in the streets

      In the US, you can protest all you want, it doesn't change anything at all. It's just an illusion of democracy. At least China doesn't pretend to be anything other than a police state.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Thexalon on Thursday June 25 2020, @10:35PM

    by Thexalon (636) on Thursday June 25 2020, @10:35PM (#1012677)

    I mean, the really easy counterargument is that any company that gets a significant portion of its revenue from either a TLA or the Dept of Defense is controlled by the Pentagon. Obvious entries on that list include Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Northrup Grumman, and Halliburton.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2020, @01:27AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2020, @01:27AM (#1012718)

    Sure in general we can say that, but the level of control is really quite different. The Chinese don't actually try to pretend there's a separation between the state and incorporated companies. They don't in principle say Apple Inc is a private sector company free to pursue its own corporate vision as long as they abide by the laws of the US and the government won't actively play a role in directing the company's strategy. Of course we know there are enough corruption around that this separation isn't necessarily true, especially when it comes to industries that can provide the state geo-political benefits like oil.

    With Chinese companies, especially the ones they "export", you pretty much have to assume the Chinese government will dictate the company's strategy and operations regardless of industry, real-estate, tech, e-commerce, etc. and they don't even bother trying to hide it as far as I can tell. They officially deny it to the West because it is to their advantage to maintain this charade and its also probably because the West is this little naive kid that think that official separation is still the best strategy. It really isn't anymore, China's playing a different game for a while now at the next level - the West really need to move on.

    The fact that Trump is calling this out is at least doing something and acknowleging this, though not the best way to go about it perhaps. The folks that just critizes him for the sake of it, and yes he's really an idiot, but don't bother to acknowlege the problem nor offer alternate options or at least discourse in the matter are really just trolls. They'll deserve the day when the Chinese speaking debt collector knocks on their door.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2020, @02:14AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2020, @02:14AM (#1012743)

      > China's playing a different game for a while now at the next level - the West really need to move on.

      China is an authoritarian state. It's ruled by fear and corruption. If you think the 1B losers who are not on the inside track LIKE that system, you're very wrong.

      If the USA to move to that system, we'd have to have laws massively favoring a small fraction, like 1% or 0.01% of the population. Oh...