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posted by martyb on Tuesday July 07 2020, @12:48PM   Printer-friendly
from the could-just-ask-23-and-me dept.

DNA Databases in the U.S. and China Are Tools of Racial Oppression

Two major world powers, the United States and China, have both collected an enormous number of DNA samples from their citizens, the premise being that these samples will help solve crimes that might have otherwise gone unsolved. While DNA evidence can often be crucial when it comes to determining who committed a crime, researchers argue these DNA databases also pose a major threat to human rights.

In the U.S., the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has a DNA database called the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) that currently contains over 14 million DNA profiles. This database has a disproportionately high number of profiles of black men, because black Americans are arrested five times as much as white Americans. You don't even have to be convicted of a crime for law enforcement to take and store your DNA; you simply have to have been arrested as a suspect.

[...] As for China, a report that was published by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute in mid-June claims that China is operating the "world's largest police-run DNA database" as part of its powerful surveillance state. Chinese authorities have collected DNA samples from possibly as many as 70 million men since 2017, and the total database is believed to contain as many as 140 million profiles. The country hopes to collect DNA from all of its male citizens, as it argues men are most likely to commit crimes.

DNA is reportedly often collected during what are represented as free physicals, and it's also being collected from children at schools. There are reports of Chinese citizens being threatened with punishment by government officials if they refuse to give a DNA sample. Much of the DNA that's been collected has been from Uighur Muslims that have been oppressed by the Chinese government and infamously forced into concentration camps in the Xinjiang province.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by DannyB on Tuesday July 07 2020, @02:15PM (24 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 07 2020, @02:15PM (#1017647) Journal

    The logic of the Left leads to not going after criminals because they don't want to "oppress" them. Criminals get rights over the victims of their crimes.

    The logic of the Right. Black person is victim of crime. Calls police. Police arrive and before any questions, handcuff black caller before questing white criminal to begin their "investigation" of why they were called here.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @02:39PM (14 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @02:39PM (#1017657)

    Link?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @02:53PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @02:53PM (#1017668)

      That Australian lady who called the pigs in Minneapolis a few years back to report a crime and got gunned down. She was Black, right?

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by DannyB on Tuesday July 07 2020, @02:55PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 07 2020, @02:55PM (#1017672) Journal

      I provided as many links as the post to which I replied. But you can find some on YouTube.

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    • (Score: -1, Troll) by VLM on Tuesday July 07 2020, @03:04PM (3 children)

      by VLM (445) on Tuesday July 07 2020, @03:04PM (#1017682)

      Link?

      The problem with leftist politics in practice is it tries to implement macro-scale cultural-level policy based on microscale rare essentially irrelevant anecdotes or outright imaginary stuff or occasionally outright fabrications.

      It doesn't really matter if it happened at all or if in a HUGE nation of 330 million people it happened once or even 10K times, we're all gonna be subjected to the result of the imaginary belief that it happens all the time to everyone.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @03:38PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @03:38PM (#1017713)

        outright imaginary stuff or occasionally outright fabrications.

        No finer example than the white, BLM Seattle "they" that promoted themselves from gender fluid to fender fluid by partially blocking the interstate with vehicles and then standing behind the vehicles dressed in black at 1AM. There are leftists insisting this was a "white supremacist" attack even after the arrest of the black driver. Anti-psychotics are useless against this level of delusional.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @05:23PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @05:23PM (#1017777)

          >> Anti-psychotics are useless against this level of delusional.

          It's a shame they emptied out the state mental hospitals in the 50s and 60s. Society used to have a place to take care of these poor damaged souls. Now they're hire as grade school teachers.

        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @12:19AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @12:19AM (#1017940)

          That's some systemic racism on your part right there by making assumptions based on the color of his skin. Who says that the Black driver wasn't a white supremacist?

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @04:07PM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @04:07PM (#1017729)
      • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @04:14PM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @04:14PM (#1017736)

        Ah, the one where the guy likes to hang out in the park and bait people into calling the cops on him, then film them, conveniently leaving out the provocation? Which he did this time by threatening to poison her dog?

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday July 07 2020, @05:57PM (3 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 07 2020, @05:57PM (#1017791) Journal

          . . . in the basement of a Washington DC pizza shop . . . right?

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          • (Score: 2, Offtopic) by Captival on Wednesday July 08 2020, @12:48AM (2 children)

            by Captival (6866) on Wednesday July 08 2020, @12:48AM (#1017950)

            Bill Clinton
            Anthony Weiner
            Burns Strider
            Jeff Epstein
            Harvey Weinstein
            Tony Podesta

            Is there any male acquaintance of Hillary's who is NOT a sex creep/rapist/pedo? And you guys still want to pretend the whole thing is made up. That makes you culpable.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @02:25AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @02:25AM (#1018004)

              Yeah. That basement at Comet Ping Pong is completely real.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @09:06AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @09:06AM (#1018112)

              Most women in N.America have been sexually assaulted or harassed.

              Many men have assaulted.

              Doesn't mean every assaulter realized it, btw.

              you guys still want to pretend the whole thing is made up

              No, #metoo is kinda about not pretending it was made up. Epstein was going to stand trial. Now more of his cronies - from whatever walk of life or political stripe - will, with M.G. flipping.

              If you see it being ignored, you're only listening to fools or strawmen; sorry.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @02:29AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @02:29AM (#1018005)

          Ah, the one where the guy likes to hang out in the park and watch birds, notices a dog off the leash (despite prominent signs requiring the contrary), gets annoyed because the unleashed dog is scaring the birds away, asks the dog's owner to leash her dog, then films her as she has a meltdown culminating in a false claim that *her life* is being threatened by a (gasp!) black man.

          There. FTFY.

          Damn. You just have to go with bald-faced lies don't you? Well, for a troll like yourself, I suppose that's not surprising.

          Toodles!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @02:41AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @02:41AM (#1018017)
  • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @02:54PM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @02:54PM (#1017669)

    Logic of the Right: End all government worker unions. That way if you get police that are doing a bad job they can be fired. If you get teachers that doesn't give a shit, get rid of them. Address multiple problems that affect inner city communities with one policy change.

    VS.

    Logic of the Left: Defund the police. Some of the first civil rights issues after the Civil War was a lack of policing in black communities. Those black communities took up arms to defend themselves. Gun control started to become popular after that. We are full circle with democrat logic. For the decades democrats have controlled the inner city communities they have made zero progress in actually solving any of the problems.

    Tough sell.

    • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday July 07 2020, @09:25PM (6 children)

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday July 07 2020, @09:25PM (#1017884)

      Logic of the Right:

      Use race as a distraction so that poor whites have an enemy to focus on so they can justify in their own minds voting for a party that acts against their interest. See: Southern Strategy [wikipedia.org] ,War on drugs. [wikipedia.org]

      Logic of the Left:

      The US has no left, so the right needs to pretend the other right wing party is a bunch of "Radical Marxists" or whatever.

      The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.

      — John Ehrlichman, to Dan Baum[45][46][47] for Harper's Magazine[48] in 1994, about President Richard Nixon's war on drugs, declared in 1971.[49]

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @10:08PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @10:08PM (#1017900)

        The US has no left

        Sane people keep the far-left and far-right as far from mainstream politics as possible.

        Uncanny parallels between Weather Underground / Black Panthers & Antifa / Black Lives Matter. The emerging threat in the late '60s was targeted for a reason [fbi.gov] and it's a stain on history that Huey P. Newton is remembered as anything other than a sociopathic murderer, rapist and junkie.

        • (Score: 1, Troll) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday July 07 2020, @11:20PM (4 children)

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday July 07 2020, @11:20PM (#1017915)

          Weather Underground / Black Panthers & Antifa / Black Lives Matter.

          Antifa does not really exist except as another imaginary enemy for the right to use to scare the hard-of-thinking with.

          It seems to be working too.

          The Black Panthers were heroes, and ought to be celebrated as such by the second amendment people, because that is one of the rights they fought for for.

          It worked until Ronald Reagan decided guns were only for white people.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @12:00AM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @12:00AM (#1017926)

            Antifa does not really exist

            LOL [discoverthenetworks.org] The development of modern Antifa is described in chapter 2 of "Antifa" - Mark Bray's anti-fascist handbook. [archive.org]

            The Black Panthers were heroes, and ought to be celebrated as such by the second amendment people, because that is one of the rights they fought for for.

            What the fuck does the second amendment have to do with murder? [salon.com] Why are so many leftist "heroes" murderers?

            • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @02:43AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @02:43AM (#1018018)

              What the fuck does the second amendment have to do with murder? [salon.com] Why are so many leftist "heroes" murderers?

              Dylann Roof is an American hero!

              #MAGA

            • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday July 08 2020, @03:51AM (1 child)

              by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday July 08 2020, @03:51AM (#1018047)

              I love your links.

              You try to prove your point by linking to some weirdo far right propaganda and think it helps your case? Hilarious.

              David Horowitz? Jesus.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @01:23PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08 2020, @01:23PM (#1018182)

                weirdo far right propaganda

                I'm not sure Mark Bray would appreciate that characterization of his work.

                David Horowitz? Jesus.

                Horowitz is a former editor of radical Marxist rag Ramparts - the magazine of the 60s new left. He began distancing himself from the left after his friend was murdered. [wikipedia.org] I'm not sure Jesus had much to say on the evils of Marxism although there may be parallels to the millions of innocent people murdered after struggle sessions with the sociopathic scumbags rallying behind the "Marxist cause".

                If you want to give a link some love, how about this by Ken Kelley? [archive.org] Former White Panther, editor of Ann Arbor Argus, [wikipedia.org] The Berkeley Barb [wikipedia.org] and Sundance magazine? Not so well known as Jesus but a verifiable contemporary and confidant of the murderous, crack-addled sociopath Huey P. Newton.

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @10:09PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @10:09PM (#1017901)

      Only to the alt-right infestation is that a tough sell, everyone else with a brain capable of empathy has no problem.