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posted by martyb on Tuesday July 07 2020, @12:48PM   Printer-friendly
from the could-just-ask-23-and-me dept.

DNA Databases in the U.S. and China Are Tools of Racial Oppression

Two major world powers, the United States and China, have both collected an enormous number of DNA samples from their citizens, the premise being that these samples will help solve crimes that might have otherwise gone unsolved. While DNA evidence can often be crucial when it comes to determining who committed a crime, researchers argue these DNA databases also pose a major threat to human rights.

In the U.S., the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has a DNA database called the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) that currently contains over 14 million DNA profiles. This database has a disproportionately high number of profiles of black men, because black Americans are arrested five times as much as white Americans. You don't even have to be convicted of a crime for law enforcement to take and store your DNA; you simply have to have been arrested as a suspect.

[...] As for China, a report that was published by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute in mid-June claims that China is operating the "world's largest police-run DNA database" as part of its powerful surveillance state. Chinese authorities have collected DNA samples from possibly as many as 70 million men since 2017, and the total database is believed to contain as many as 140 million profiles. The country hopes to collect DNA from all of its male citizens, as it argues men are most likely to commit crimes.

DNA is reportedly often collected during what are represented as free physicals, and it's also being collected from children at schools. There are reports of Chinese citizens being threatened with punishment by government officials if they refuse to give a DNA sample. Much of the DNA that's been collected has been from Uighur Muslims that have been oppressed by the Chinese government and infamously forced into concentration camps in the Xinjiang province.

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  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @02:58PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @02:58PM (#1017676)

    Black people are five times more likely to be arrested, not to commit crimes

    True, they're only around 3 times more likely to commit violent crimes. [whiteprivilegeisntreal.org] IIRC the arrest rate is around 2.5 times higher overall in the US while the linked article seems to only look at a limited number of jurisdictions.

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  • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @03:45PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @03:45PM (#1017715)

    Two things:

    1) You are making a common statistical mistake based on their data. Imagine 50% of people commit 100% of crime. How much more likely is that 50% to commit crime than the rest of society? It's obviously not (percent_of_crime_committed / percent_of_population) because that'd lead you to believe that they're only twice as likely to commit crime when compared to the other 50% of people who are committing 0 crime!

    So how do you calculate the proper number? Break it down into ratios. Imagine 10% of people commit 50% of crime. The ratio there is 50% crimes per 10% population = 50/10. The rest of society would be 50% with 90% of remaining crimes = 50/90. So the first group has a relative rate of (50/10) / (50/90) = 9 meaning they are 900% more likely to commit crime. In our earlier example of 50% committing 100% you get: (100 / 50) / (0 / 50) = 2 / 0 = infinity. The point of this is that 10% of people committing 30% of crime are engaging in crime at a much higher relative rate than 3x.

    2) That site made a critical mistake. They said violent crimes but they're looking at *all* crimes. Here [fbi.gov] is the table they linked to. You can confirm that it includes arrests for drug violations, DUI, vandalism, etc. The violent crime ratio is about 10x higher for blacks compared to non-hispanic whites.

    • (Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @05:55PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 07 2020, @05:55PM (#1017788)

      Ha! The racist trolls just love downmodding everyone who argues with them, but dare downmod a racist post and they cry oppression.

      Truly they are the most pathetic users around here.

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday July 07 2020, @08:49PM (2 children)

    by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday July 07 2020, @08:49PM (#1017872)

    Did you just unironically link to a site called "whiteprivilegeisntreal.org" and expect people to accept it as a reliable source?

    You've been modded Flamebait, but maybe Funny would be more appropriate.

    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday July 09 2020, @08:33AM (1 child)

      by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Thursday July 09 2020, @08:33AM (#1018595) Homepage
      "I don't like the look of the source, therefore the source is false" is a classic logical fallacy - you're playing into their hands.
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