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posted by Fnord666 on Thursday July 30 2020, @02:07PM   Printer-friendly
from the change-is-in-the-wind dept.

Democrats want a truce with Section 230 supporters:

Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which says apps and websites aren't legally liable for third-party content, has inspired a lot of overheated rhetoric in Congress. Republicans like Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) have successfully framed the rule as a "gift to Big Tech" that enables social media censorship. While Democrats have very different critiques, some have embraced a similar fire-and-brimstone tone with the bipartisan EARN IT Act. But a Senate subcommittee tried to reset that narrative today with a hearing for the Platform Accountability and Consumer Transparency (PACT) Act, a similarly bipartisan attempt at a more nuanced Section 230 amendment. While the hearing didn't address all of the PACT Act's very real flaws, it presented the bill as an option for Section 230 defenders who still want a say in potential reforms.

[...] Still, Section 230 has been at the forefront of US politics for years, and some kind of change looks increasingly likely. If that's true, then particularly after today's hearing, a revised version of the PACT Act looks like the clearest existing option to preserve important parts of the law without dismissing calls for reform. And hashing out those specifics may prove more important than focusing on the policy's most hyperbolic critics.


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Thursday July 30 2020, @06:44PM (15 children)

    by hemocyanin (186) on Thursday July 30 2020, @06:44PM (#1028832) Journal

    Why should a print publisher today be liable for what an author they have printed has written?

    Because the publisher made an editorial decision, i.e. to publish, publisher shares responsibility for the content.

    The distinction is always, the editorial process. If you eliminate the editorial process from the platform on which speech is published, it becomes nothing more than a provider of a communication service and is not actually doing any of the work (selecting and/or editing) regarding speech.

    Quit trying to have it both ways. And none of this "private companies can be horrible as much as they want" nonsense -- we've broken up monopolies before and can do it again. We just need a Teddy and a big ass stick.

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  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 30 2020, @06:53PM (14 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 30 2020, @06:53PM (#1028840)

    we've broken up monopolies before and can do it again. We just need a Teddy and a big ass stick.

    Teddy was a Republican. The Democrats were content with big business fucking over the common man.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 30 2020, @08:04PM (10 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 30 2020, @08:04PM (#1028870)

      True history is not a troll.

      Man -- the mod system is insane recently. I know we aren't supposed to bitch about modding, but like nazi and racist have become meaningless terms, so too is "troll" or "flamebait" going the same route.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 30 2020, @08:52PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 30 2020, @08:52PM (#1028904)

        Poor victim!

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday July 30 2020, @11:20PM (3 children)

        That's why everyone gets mod points. Log in and correct some bad ones.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 30 2020, @11:38PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 30 2020, @11:38PM (#1028997)

          Already done, but the amount mod-abuse around here eats up my points. I'll come back and fix it later when they reset, but the mod abuse is getting out of hand.

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @12:14AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @12:14AM (#1029022)

            Typical, only when it affects them do narcisists start caring.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @05:01AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 31 2020, @05:01AM (#1029135)

            Agreeing with you, but correction: it's been out of hand for a long time.

            And I've tried to correct some good people being mod-clobbered, but I got my points removed because I "mod-bombed" someone up too many times in one day. Stupid system. People accept it because it's there and because other people accept it, but needs to be re-thought from the ground up. Not enough people are correcting mod abuse.

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday July 31 2020, @05:53PM (4 children)

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday July 31 2020, @05:53PM (#1029400) Journal

        I agree. There are some who are abusing the Troll mod to silence opinions or ideas they don't like. They are even using it against comments like this I am writing now.

        Cancel culture, of which Troll modding is an expression, threatens pluralistic democracy. It is a tactic used by fascists, socialists, and totalitarians of every other stripe to quash healthy, free discourse.

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        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 01 2020, @01:19AM (3 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday August 01 2020, @01:19AM (#1029570) Journal

          Sounds to me like "cancel culture" is what happens when the marketplace of ideas decides your bullshit isn't selling and you're just mad about it...oh, and about having your tactics co-opted and turned against you. Cry harder.

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          • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday August 01 2020, @03:24AM (2 children)

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday August 01 2020, @03:24AM (#1029620) Journal

            It's really tragic that once liberals like the ACLU fought for the rights of groups like the KKK and neo-Nazis, and now all that's left on the left are bigots like you. No ideals, no integrity, just the primal scream of spastic narcissism.

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            Washington DC delenda est.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 01 2020, @06:39PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 01 2020, @06:39PM (#1029926)

              Why is it that every insult you attempt is always such an accurate picture of yourself.

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 01 2020, @07:00PM

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday August 01 2020, @07:00PM (#1029945) Journal

              Even ACs are starting to notice how your entire schtick is nothing but projection now, right down to the accusations of bigotry.

              I don't know what happened to you, but I noticed you getting more and more stereotypically thoughtless and lowest-common-denominator over the last couple of years. It sounds to me like all your attempts to "prove you're one of the good ones"--where you live, who your married, your supposed activism, your mixed-race child--were meant mostly to convince yourself and others that your deepest, ugliest tendencies weren't actually real. Virtue-signalling in the truest and widest-reaching sense of the term, in other words.

              And at some point in the last 2 years or so, it seems like you finally snapped, started screaming "WHAT THE FUCK DO THESE PEOPLE WANT FROM ME, I DIDN'T CHOOSE TO BE A STRAIGHT WHITE CHRISTIAN MIDDLE-CLASS MALE?!" and decided to say fuck it, not going to bother anymore. This, by the way, is what "white fragility" means :) And while you didn't choose to be male, straight, or white, your religion absolutely *is* a lifestyle choice and no one as intelligent as you has a right to remain this ignorant about its roots, its history, and its internal inconsistencies.

              But noooo, instead of fixing yourself, you've decided to spitefully throw yourself down in the middle of the road and have a flailing, bawling, red-faced, pants-shitting existential temper tantrum over how meeeeeeean everyone else is and how unworthy all those minorities are of your incorruptible pure pureness! After all, you're "one of the good ones," so anyone who doesn't bow down and acknowledge that to the point of verbal fellatio MUST be a sick, twisted, subhuman piece of shit, right?

              Game. Set. Match. mic.self(drop);

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    • (Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Thursday July 30 2020, @09:59PM (2 children)

      by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Thursday July 30 2020, @09:59PM (#1028930)

      Teddy was a Republican.

      Until the Republicans ousted him for breaking up monopolies and other anti-agenda actions. The Republicans have not opposed screwing over the common man since.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Phoenix666 on Friday July 31 2020, @06:00PM (1 child)

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday July 31 2020, @06:00PM (#1029407) Journal

        Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive, back when that term still meant something positive. He was the candidate for the "Bull Moose" Party, which was the Progressive Party. The party platform from 1912 is as relevant today as it was then. This excerpt is a taste:

        Political parties exist to secure responsible government and to execute the will of the people.

        From these great tasks both of the old parties have turned aside. Instead of instruments to promote the general welfare, they have become the tools of corrupt interests which use them impartially to serve their selfish purposes. Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people.

        To destroy this invisible government, to dissolve the unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of the statesmanship of the day.

        The deliberate betrayal of its trust by the Republican party, the fatal incapacity of the Democratic party to deal with the new issues of the new time, have compelled the people to forge a new instrument of government through which to give effect to their will in laws and institutions.

        Unhampered by tradition, uncorrupted by power, undismayed by the magnitude of the task, the new party offers itself as the instrument of the people to sweep away old abuses, to build a new and nobler commonwealth.

        A new party today could almost adopt it wholesale and win.

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        Washington DC delenda est.
        • (Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Friday July 31 2020, @10:23PM

          by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Friday July 31 2020, @10:23PM (#1029506)

          A new party today could almost adopt it wholesale and win.

          Too bad TR had not swept into power with such a mandate in 1912. The task would be more difficult today. The forces of the "invisible government" are even more entrenched, with more money at stake, so efforts to eliminate it would have to be monumental. Instead we get things like the Tea Party or Trump, which speak vaguely in terms like that, but in reality work to even further entrench those interests.