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posted by martyb on Saturday November 07 2020, @07:10PM   Printer-friendly

Fox News (among many other outlets[*]) is reporting: Biden wins presidency, Trump denied second term in White House:

Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden has defeated President Trump, denying him a second term after a bitter campaign and dramatic, prolonged vote count in battleground states that sparked a flurry of lawsuits.

The Fox News Decision Desk projected Saturday that Biden will win the state of Nevada and the commonwealth of Pennsylvania, giving the former vice president the electoral votes he needs to win the White House.

[...] "I am honored and humbled by the trust the American people have placed in me and in Vice President-elect Harris," Biden said in a statement. "In the face of unprecedented obstacles, a record number of Americans voted. Proving once again, that democracy beats deep in the heart of America."

He added: "With the campaign over, it's time to put the anger and the harsh rhetoric behind us and come together as a nation."

Biden's campaign announced that the president-elect and Harris, his running mate, will speak at an event in his hometown of Wilmington, Delaware at 8 p.m. ET.

Joseph Biden would become the 46th President of the US; U.S. Senator Kamala Harris of California, the 49th Vice President.

Also at: NY Post, CBS News, ABC News, CNN, CNBC, and USA Today.

IMPORTANT: There are still votes to be counted, a recount has been requested in one state, and there are numerous court challenges launched by the Trump campaign. Further, nothing is official until the actual vote by the Electoral College.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:40PM (11 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:40PM (#1074644)

    Sadly, not starting any new wars makes him a better President than any of the 21st century. For all the moaning about his covid response, he's probably still caused fewer deaths than either Obama or W.

    Literally, the only reason he doesn't appear to have been reelected is that he didn't lean in hard enough on the populist tones he struck in 2016. The people look at Trump and his antics, including the covid-19 response, and were still eh not sure which way to go. That's a damning indictment of how horrible Biden is going to be. The racist moron that wrote the crime bill and just expected various people of color to show up to vote for him without doing any work at all to earn those votes and just assumed that the left wing would show up to vote for him despite the fact that he was planning to stock his entire cabinet with Republicans.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:36PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:36PM (#1074724)

    Trump had dropped more bombs than Obama, and Obama dropped more than Dubya etc as nauseum.

  • (Score: 2) by Mykl on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:42PM (4 children)

    by Mykl (1112) on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:42PM (#1074835)

    For all the moaning about his covid response, he's probably still caused fewer deaths than either Obama or W.

    The entire Vietnam War claimed 58,300 US lives. COVID has already racked up over 230,000 in the US in the past 9 months. Only a fool would claim that every COVID death is Trump's fault, however conservative estimates place the number of deaths that could have been avoided if the US followed the same basic procedures as many other Western countries at approximately 90%. On that measure it's worth "moaning" about Trump's COVID response, considering it's killed 2-3 x Vietnam's body count of US soldiers.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 09 2020, @03:01AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 09 2020, @03:01AM (#1074962)

      The entire Vietnam War claimed 58,300 US lives.

      The Vietnam war killed an estimated 1,353,000 people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties [wikipedia.org]

      Of course, brown and yellow lives don't matter do they? And you call republicans racist.

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by Mykl on Monday November 09 2020, @06:08AM (2 children)

        by Mykl (1112) on Monday November 09 2020, @06:08AM (#1075028)

        Of course, brown and yellow lives don't matter do they? And you call republicans racist.

        Actually that was my exact point - brown and yellow lives don't matter to Republicans (and now it seems Democrat lives don't matter to them either).

        But let's play your game anyway. Vietnam lasted for 10 years, so let's average 135,300 lives per year lost of all colors. That's 100,000 less per year than have been lost to COVID in the US alone, and we're only 9 months in.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 09 2020, @01:23PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 09 2020, @01:23PM (#1075130)

          "The entire Vietnam War claimed 58,300 US lives."
          You are the one claiming that only US lives matter.
            Even if only by inference you are claiming that the other 1,295,000 people killed don't matter.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday November 09 2020, @01:36PM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 09 2020, @01:36PM (#1075132) Journal

          Actually that was my exact point - brown and yellow lives don't matter to Republicans (and now it seems Democrat lives don't matter to them either).

          I have to agree. You're the only one making that point.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by hendrikboom on Monday November 09 2020, @04:05AM (3 children)

    by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 09 2020, @04:05AM (#1074982) Homepage Journal

    What Trump failed to do was drain the swamp.

  • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Monday November 09 2020, @09:35PM

    by Thexalon (636) on Monday November 09 2020, @09:35PM (#1075349)

    Sadly, not starting any new wars makes him a better President than any of the 21st century. For all the moaning about his covid response, he's probably still caused fewer deaths than either Obama or W.

    Assuming we're making presidents all directly responsible for US military casualties during their presidency: There were a total of approximately 49,000 US combat deaths in the last 2 decades. Most of them were during the George W Bush administration due to him starting 2 wars. According to this Congressional Research Service report [fas.org], Obama's military deaths was highest in 2009 and declined throughout his presidency. Under Trump, military deaths went up shortly after he entered office and remained higher than they had been in 2016.

    And if you're talking about the civilian casualties in the areas where the US is fighting: According to the UN [un.org], there have not been significant differences in civilian casualties in Afghanistan between Obama and Trump. If you look at Iraq [iraqbodycount.org], the Obama administration killed approximately 60,000 civilians there, which is definitely more than the 19,000 or so killed under Trump, but it's also worth noting that under the Obama administration there was a war between Iraq and ISIS with Iraq getting significant support from the US and it would be pretty easy to argue that without US action ISIS casualties would have been higher, whereas by the time Trump took over ISIS was mostly a non-threat. As for Yemen, there have been substantially *more* US drone strikes there under Trump than under Obama.

    Even if you add all those up, and pretend that Trump didn't kill anybody overseas, Obama's casualties abroad still come in under the 240,000 or so Covid deaths in the US alone. And you could also make an argument that Trump's Covid (non-) response influenced similar decisions from other governments such as Brazil and the UK, which has also killed more people.

    So I'm going to have to rate this "dubious".

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