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posted by martyb on Saturday November 07 2020, @07:10PM   Printer-friendly

Fox News (among many other outlets[*]) is reporting: Biden wins presidency, Trump denied second term in White House:

Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden has defeated President Trump, denying him a second term after a bitter campaign and dramatic, prolonged vote count in battleground states that sparked a flurry of lawsuits.

The Fox News Decision Desk projected Saturday that Biden will win the state of Nevada and the commonwealth of Pennsylvania, giving the former vice president the electoral votes he needs to win the White House.

[...] "I am honored and humbled by the trust the American people have placed in me and in Vice President-elect Harris," Biden said in a statement. "In the face of unprecedented obstacles, a record number of Americans voted. Proving once again, that democracy beats deep in the heart of America."

He added: "With the campaign over, it's time to put the anger and the harsh rhetoric behind us and come together as a nation."

Biden's campaign announced that the president-elect and Harris, his running mate, will speak at an event in his hometown of Wilmington, Delaware at 8 p.m. ET.

Joseph Biden would become the 46th President of the US; U.S. Senator Kamala Harris of California, the 49th Vice President.

Also at: NY Post, CBS News, ABC News, CNN, CNBC, and USA Today.

IMPORTANT: There are still votes to be counted, a recount has been requested in one state, and there are numerous court challenges launched by the Trump campaign. Further, nothing is official until the actual vote by the Electoral College.

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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by SomeGuy on Saturday November 07 2020, @07:31PM (8 children)

    by SomeGuy (5632) on Saturday November 07 2020, @07:31PM (#1074219)

    Trump: Hax!
    Trump: Hax!
    Trump: Hax!

    Trump has been kicked from the server. Reason: Nobody is hacking, noob. You just suck.

    • (Score: 5, Funny) by SpockLogic on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:09PM (7 children)

      by SpockLogic (2762) on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:09PM (#1074236)

      Trump does have one major achievement to boast about, he's the only president ever to lose the popular vote - twice.

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      • (Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @09:25PM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @09:25PM (#1074309)

        The slightest effort to check your claim would've revealed that John Q. Adams and Benjamin Harrison were each elected for one term, losing the popular vote, then lost the popular vote again on their reelection bid.

        • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Saturday November 07 2020, @09:54PM (2 children)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Saturday November 07 2020, @09:54PM (#1074326) Journal

          Yes that's very important.

          • (Score: 5, Touché) by SpockLogic on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:09PM (1 child)

            by SpockLogic (2762) on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:09PM (#1074336)

            Truth and/or accuracy has never been an impediment to Trump.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:25PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:25PM (#1074349)

              On 4chan the Q scholars are saying otherwise. Trump is out golfing. Not a care in the world.

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:07PM (1 child)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:07PM (#1074334) Journal

          I bet neither of them rated themselves nearly as highly as Trump rates himself.

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          • (Score: 5, Funny) by SpockLogic on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:52PM

            by SpockLogic (2762) on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:52PM (#1074373)

            You can bet your life on it.

             

             

             

            Oh in other news, I won the lottery.

            Well I got the first two numbers and my lawyer is now trying to stop the count.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2020, @06:47AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2020, @06:47AM (#1075586)

          lolololol

          Shitty jokes? That is what conservatives will actually do research for? Guess I shouldn't be surprised, it truly does fit their pattern.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Saturday November 07 2020, @07:31PM (42 children)

    by hemocyanin (186) on Saturday November 07 2020, @07:31PM (#1074220) Journal

    Our voting system is so bad, so insecure, so unreliable, it can only be this bad through sustained fanatical effort.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by SpockLogic on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:15PM (29 children)

      by SpockLogic (2762) on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:15PM (#1074239)

      A good start would be to stop gerrymandering, by both sides. The people should pick the politicians, not the other way round.

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:50PM (28 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:50PM (#1074276) Journal

        On THAT we can agree!

        Districts should go by counties. Write the formula into an amendment to the constitution, and leave it. I'm not even sure that all districts are contiguous any more!

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:08PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:08PM (#1074335) Journal

          But then counties would have very bizarre shapes.

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        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by HiThere on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:37PM (22 children)

          by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:37PM (#1074358) Journal

          You can't do it by counties, as not all states have them. You could do it by census tracts, I suppose, but their shape is decided at the federal level. Much better would be a simple requirement, like "all voting districts must be simply connected non-convex polygons. That's not a total cure, but it gets rid of the worst and easiest gerrymanders.

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          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:56PM (7 children)

            by JoeMerchant (3937) on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:56PM (#1074378)

            I always thought that a sort of adversarial system could work, such as:

            For any given existing districting map, if a proposed new districting map reduces the total circumferential distance of all districts in the state to less than 90% of the existing map's total circumferential distance of all districts then it must be implemented for the following election cycle. When multiple new maps are proposed (and at least one has total circumferential distance less than 90% of the current map), the proposed map with the lowest total circumferential distance must be implemented. Districting maps may be proposed by any citizen of the state.

            By minimizing circumferential distance of all districts, the districts become as nearly circular as possible. If a gerrymander is egregious, it will not have nearly circular districts. The system can always be gamed, but if the gamers go too far they open themselves to mandatory override by "better" maps. Variations in census data every 10 years will open opportunities for redistricting, and if a rule such as above is in place it would allow minority parties to get a redistricting to happen, assuming things are "getting out of hand." The 90% rule would mean that once a map is implemented, trivial optimizations would not be able to frequently "churn" the districting.

            Of course, when Pi can be legislated to be 3.0, mathematics and logic is useless.

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            • (Score: 4, Insightful) by deimtee on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:29PM (6 children)

              by deimtee (3272) on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:29PM (#1074397) Journal

              You need a population count in your rule somewhere. Otherwise you will get one circle centered over each city, and a whole bunch of similar sized circles with 10 people in each.

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              • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:40AM (2 children)

                by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:40AM (#1074440)

                Well, true, I assumed that the population in each district would be required to be +/- some tolerance of the mean population of all districts, but... never assume unless you want a conservative politician to point out what a donkey you are.

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                • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:18AM (1 child)

                  by deimtee (3272) on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:18AM (#1074465) Journal

                  You're trying to constrain a bunch of lawyer weasels with rules. You really need to consider the worst possible interpretation of the rules before they are enacted, because those scumbags will exploit any loopholes.

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                  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:07AM

                    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:07AM (#1074543)

                    Yeah, other assumption would be that any new districting law would fully examine existing districting laws and include all the useful weasel restraints found therein, whilst removing the weasel runs that allow things like gerrymandering (as outlined above, or similar.)

                    IANAL, and I have no real desire to become one. The real problem with laws in this world is that they're mostly written by lawyers. Absolute power corrupts absolutely, and all that. But, make me dictator and I would be a benevolent one. Just have to ensure the effectiveness of my personal defense forces, immortality research branch, private islands, vertical integration of all resources vital to said endeavors, panopticon monitoring of all world activities, etc. Trust me, I'll make things better, really, all you have to do is anything I say - and I won't say much.

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              • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:58PM (2 children)

                by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:58PM (#1074647)

                Some "fair bias" language just occurred to me:

                While it is the goal of districting divisions to attain population counts as equal as possible in every district, any population imbalance in an acceptable districting map shall be rank ordered such that the districts of higher population have larger land area than all districts with lower populations.

                Some more "bias control" should be applied to the sub-zones used to determine district lines. We have tracked people's residence location by Zip+4 address and GPS coordinates precise to 50 feet and less for a couple of decades now, no reason not to require that the census zones also meet a similar "minimum total circumferential geographic length" criterion, and also that some minimum ratio (like 10:1 or more) of these sub-zones be employed for the purpose of district mapping.

                I suspect that the sabotage / weakening of the legitimacy of the 2020 census was a bit of opportunistic "heading off" of this kind of reform for as long as they can.

                Optimization of these kinds of problems would seem to be NP-hard type problems. The requirement that any solution submitted by any citizen be entered into consideration and judged/employed based on its mathematical value rather than decisions of the elected representatives should get near-optimal solutions implemented.

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                • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Sunday November 08 2020, @10:06PM (1 child)

                  by deimtee (3272) on Sunday November 08 2020, @10:06PM (#1074843) Journal

                  "While it is the goal of districting divisions to attain population counts as equal as possible in every district, any population imbalance in an acceptable districting map shall be rank ordered such that the districts of higher population have larger land area than all districts with lower populations."

                  Did you mean smaller? That wording would let you put an entire city and suburbs in one district, and then surround it with ten slightly smaller rural districts.

                  I like the suggestion that someone else made, "All district borders shall be convex." You probably need an exception like "except where necessary to follow a state border or natural border such as a navigable river".
                  For the population thing, "if the smallest (by population) district has less than one tenth the population of the biggest then either the small district shall be merged or the largest shall be divided."

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                  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday November 08 2020, @10:33PM

                    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday November 08 2020, @10:33PM (#1074860)

                    Did you mean smaller?

                    Quite possible, I have a horrible mental deficiency for some binary concepts - my brain just resigns and says: "Yeah, I know it's one of those two..." Strangely not a problem as a computer programmer - the computer inevitably handles that last binary decision for me, if I get it wrong it's usually obvious and trivial to fix in code.

                    So, the goal is to drive districts toward populations as equal as possible (which I _think_ isn't too much of a gerrymandered behavior problem most places now, at least not any districts I have ever looked at, which are admittedly, probably less than 2% of the total...)

                    Imbalance is inevitable. Those in the higher population districts are under-represented. So, actually, I do think I meant larger land area districts (meaning the rural areas which already seem to be enjoying disproportionatly high representation in the Senate and Electoral College) should be the ones with highest population, but your point about extreme abuse is well taken. Equality of district populations should be part of the scoring criteria along with total circumference length.

                    Perhaps: keep the larger land areas require higher populations rank-ordering criteria, but also take the ratio of the highest to lowest population districts (should be in the 1.0001 to 1.1 range. Since the first problem is minimization of total circumference length, any population imbalance could serve to increase the "circumference score" perhaps by something like the circumference value is multiplied by the population imbalance, or the population imbalance cubed or some-such so that highly population imbalanced maps have no chance of succeeding against any proposed boundaries maps that keep the populations more balanced.

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          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:06PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:06PM (#1074384)
          • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:09PM (6 children)

            by Grishnakh (2831) on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:09PM (#1074388)

            You can't do it by counties, as not all states have them.

            I'm pretty sure they do. Louisiana calls them "parishes" for some dumb reason, but for all intents and purposes, they're counties.

            The big problem is that they differ hugely between states, especially east coast vs. west coast. East coast states' counties, esp. in the southeast, tend to be tiny; many have only a few thousand people. On the west coast, esp. the southwest (which formerly belonged to Spain or Mexico) counties are huge and can have millions. Maricopa County in AZ has around 4M people I think, since it includes Phoenix and most of its metro area. But the east coast isn't immune to this: Fairfax County in VA has far more population than any other county in the state, though this wasn't the case long ago when the county lines were drawn. Anyway, just comparing AZ and VA: AZ has 14 counties, with about double the land area of VA, but a little less population (5M vs 8M), whereas VA has 140 (!) counties and independent cities. Clearly, VA needs more consolidation. (A lot of these "independent cities" are stupid: some puny little town of 2k people decided in the 1950s or 60s it wanted to be separate from the county it's in, so it became independent, but the county seat is still in that town, because it's the only town in the whole stupid county, even though the town is now an enclave. So now the 4k people in the town and surrounding county are paying more taxes to fund double the amount of government administration needed.) Now, by contrast, if you look at NJ, it has roughly the same population as VA (though with much less land area), yet it only has 22 counties. (However, it has 550 separate independent school districts, because every stupid little town thinks it needs its own school district and superintendent, so property taxes are ridiculous to pay for all this overhead.) They even resist efforts to combine E-911 service across a single county, because "it won't have the same quality!", so calling 911 is a crapshoot depending exactly which little town you're in, and keep in mind, this is a place where the whole place is composed of little towns that have grown into each other so just crossing a street can cause you to walk into another town.

            • (Score: 2) by linuxrocks123 on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:05AM (1 child)

              by linuxrocks123 (2557) on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:05AM (#1074519) Journal

              Alaska also doesn't have counties. And its closest equivalent -- "boroughs" -- wouldn't work very well, since there are populated areas of the state that aren't in any borough.

              • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Sunday November 08 2020, @08:48PM

                by Grishnakh (2831) on Sunday November 08 2020, @08:48PM (#1074814)

                And its closest equivalent -- "boroughs" -- wouldn't work very well, since there are populated areas of the state that aren't in any borough.

                But aren't they still counties, for all intents and purposes? Here in VA, we have "independent cities", which are cities that aren't part of counties. However, this is all just nomenclature: they're still counties, effectively, they just don't call them that. These "cities" (some really are, some are really just towns) still serve the same purpose and do all the same stuff as a county, though maybe in slightly different ways as far as who the elected officials are and how the government is structured, but I'm sure you'll find differences in government structure between different counties (that are actually called that) in different states too. It seems to me like people are attaching far too much importance to this word "county".

                The only place in America that comes to mind where things really are different is NYC: there, the "boroughs" really are more like counties, and are certainly large enough to be such (and I think used to be at one time, such as Kings County, now called "Brooklyn", and neighboring Queens County, now called "Queens"), however all these boroughs are part of the larger city of NYC, which has a singular mayor governing them. So, to me, NYC seems more like a city-state, and it would honestly make more sense if NYC were separated from NY state, and then made into its own state, with the "mayor" now being the "governor". And NYC easily has more than enough population to be its own state, and "upstate" NY likewise has enough population to remain a state without NYC. It would probably also make sense for the new NYC city-state to annex all or part of Connecticut, and also northern NJ; it would certainly make the mass-transit governance much more efficient and effective instead of splitting it across state lines. Of course, such a move would be really bad for Senate representation of these areas, so it's not going to go anywhere until they toss out the crappy Constitution and make a new one that doesn't give so much power to former colonies.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:08PM (3 children)

              by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:08PM (#1074650)

              However, it has 550 separate independent school districts, because every stupid little town thinks it needs its own school district and superintendent, so property taxes are ridiculous to pay for all this overhead.

              The Houston area has independent school districts and I thought they worked quite well to segregate the population into neighborhoods where people cared more about their children's future and neighborhoods where people cared more about paying a few dollars less per month in property taxes. Around there, around 2003 when we were shopping, a "median priced" single family home might have $2500 in annual property taxes in a shitty ISD where the schools were overcrowded, the teachers underpaid, no programs beyond the federally required minimums were funded, etc. and $3500-4000 in annual property taxes in the better ISDs that actually did a good job with the schools. Just walking on campus of the schools you could immediately tell the differences, and you could see it in the children and read it in the standardized test scores as well. $3 per day seems like a small price to pay for our local childrens' futures. Even if you don't have children, you do suffer a reduced quality of life from schools that pump out a bunch of neglected brats and hooligans that are taught little more than bad attitudes from their federally mandated school wardens, with a double whammy of homes where their parents/guardians don't care about them either. We all pay for the police and prisons, and even the ones that don't go there end up being shitty workers with bad attitudes in the industries that serve everyone.

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              • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Grishnakh on Sunday November 08 2020, @08:38PM (2 children)

                by Grishnakh (2831) on Sunday November 08 2020, @08:38PM (#1074807)

                The Houston area has independent school districts and I thought they worked quite well to segregate the population into neighborhoods where people cared more about their children's future and neighborhoods where people cared more about paying a few dollars less per month in property taxes.

                Even if you don't have children, you do suffer a reduced quality of life from schools that pump out a bunch of neglected brats and hooligans...

                The hooligans from the crappy school districts aren't going to magically spend the rest of their lives in those same districts of the city, only causing problems there, and resulting in the need for more police and prisons only paid for by people in the shitty ISD. However, for people who don't want to pay more in taxes, in the short term it's in their interest to oppose higher property taxes for schools, esp. if they don't even have kids. Why pay a lot more in taxes in your little district to save society at-large money in policing and prisons, when you can let the rest of the country deal with that problem later and spread the costs around?

                This is the problem with giving people the freedom to move around, and the political power to set up different types of governance and policy.

                The other problem is: how much less would it cost Houston residents if they forcibly combined all these ISDs into a smaller number of ISDs, to eliminate administrative overhead? How much is it costing them in property taxes for every tiny little locality with this one metro area to have an entire administration, including some overpaid superintendent probably making $250k, when they could probably serve all the schools in the city with a single school district? (The $250k figure comes from what I read about superintendents in NJ when I lived there almost 10 years ago.)

                • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday November 10 2020, @12:37PM (1 child)

                  by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday November 10 2020, @12:37PM (#1075665)

                  in the short term it's in their interest to oppose higher property taxes for schools, esp. if they don't even have kids.

                  $3/day? Even if they don't have kids, what kind of burden is $3/day for schools (on people who live in nice median level suburban single family homes) as compared to the $182 billion spent annually on U.S. prisons ($1.50 per person per day, so make that $6 per day for a median level suburban home with 4 people living in it)?

                  Yeah, let's all think short term, like a bunch of septuagenarians who don't give a fuck if global warming is real or not because there's no way they're going to live long enough to really feel it.

                  how much less would it cost Houston residents if they forcibly combined all these ISDs into a smaller number of ISDs, to eliminate administrative overhead?

                  I think that's an impossible question to answer. Large school districts aren't necessarily lower overhead than smaller ones - they do tend to offer more specialized services, which can be a very good thing, but it's not like the smaller school districts have more per-capita deadwood just because there are fewer kids in the district. Some overpaid superintendent probably making $250k is the cost of about 5 cheapish teachers in the field. If you've got a small-ish ISD with one high school, and ~ eight elementary schools feeding it, you've still got several hundred teachers - the superintendent pay is in the noise, and a larger school district will have a whole pyramid of administrators between the super and the principals. Then there's the point: a bad superintendent will be costing the district far more than $250K per year in bad decisions / missed opportunities. Not that paying $250k guarantees talent and dedication, but paying $50k for a superintendent role just about guarantees a lack of it, and having a single super oversee an organization with 8000+ teachers is worse than asking for a volunteer at a low salary.

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                  • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:57AM

                    by Grishnakh (2831) on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:57AM (#1076072)

                    Yeah, let's all think short term, like a bunch of septuagenarians who don't give a fuck if global warming is real or not because there's no way they're going to live long enough to really feel it.

                    Exactly: this is how most Americans think. Remember, most Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck because they're too shortsighted, greedy, and stupid to live beneath their means, even when they make a *lot* of money. "I'm making $120k now? Great! I'll get the largest mortgage I can qualify for, and I'll throw in a car payment for the most expensive BMW that my monthly paycheck allows! Who needs savings?" You expect a nation full of people with this mentality to reason that better schools will lead to lower prison costs in the long term? And as I said before, why would they care? It's not like the bad kids stay in the districts they grew up in: better schools locally produces better outcomes *nationally*, but schools are funded *locally*, so it requires people thinking of doing things for the greater good, and Americans have proven over and over that they don't give a shit about that.

                    but it's not like the smaller school districts have more per-capita deadwood just because there are fewer kids in the district.

                    The smaller districts are necessarily going to have more administrators per pupil, and that equates to higher overhead costs.

                    Some overpaid superintendent probably making $250k is the cost of about 5 cheapish teachers in the field.

                    For a school "district" that only has 1 school (or perhaps 3: primary, junior high, and high schools, but effectively only 1 school for any particular kid to attend), that's a LOT of teachers! Many (if not most) school "districts" in NJ are exactly like this.

                    If you've got a small-ish ISD with one high school, and ~ eight elementary schools

                    I'm pretty sure the ISDs in northern NJ are not this large typically. 8 elementary schools is a lot. And why would 8 elementary schools feed into 1 high school? Even when I was a kid in TN, I think there were only 1 or 2 elementary schools feeding the high school. (I just looked at Google Maps for the area where I attended high school, and where I lived in NJ and confirmed it: there's only 1-2 elementary/primary schools per high school in TN, and more like 0.75-1 per high school in NJ.)

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:08AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:08AM (#1074457)

            Actaully they have other things that look like counties... LA - Parishes for example. Also needed for more tax software work right.
            Washington uses school districts. Bummer.

            Now Hawaii it is islands
            Alaska that O dp know about, but did have site north of Artic Circle though.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:30AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:30AM (#1074474)

              Now Hawaii it is islands

              Not true at all. There are multi-island counties, and partial island county, and partial island congressional district, and a multi-island congressional district. What was your point? What about shires? And Duchys?

          • (Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Sunday November 08 2020, @10:26AM

            by PiMuNu (3823) on Sunday November 08 2020, @10:26AM (#1074622)

            Get rid of 1st past the post altogether.

          • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:39PM (1 child)

            by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:39PM (#1074656) Homepage Journal

            Might you mean convex instead of non-convex?

            • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Sunday November 08 2020, @02:47PM

              by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 08 2020, @02:47PM (#1074674) Journal

              Arg, you're absolutely correct. I edited a sentence to rephrase things, and didn't do a complete job.

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          • (Score: 2) by sjames on Sunday November 08 2020, @06:20PM

            by sjames (2882) on Sunday November 08 2020, @06:20PM (#1074759) Journal

            I haven't had enough caffeine to work it all out just yet, but since we now live in an era where computers exist, it should be possible to device an optimizing algorithm that divides a state's population into the requisite number of districts such that each districts center is the center of population for a sub-group of the population and represents the same number of people. (it may be an iterative solution, but we have computers).

            A similar algorithm can find polling places that are neither over-crowded nor too distant. Or we could just send out ballots with pre-paid return postage to all registered voters and not worry about the polling places.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:00AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:00AM (#1074450)

          No. It's a state issue, and should stay that way. Just because your state is fucked up, don't try to mess up mine which already has solutions in place.

        • (Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Sunday November 08 2020, @07:59PM

          by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Sunday November 08 2020, @07:59PM (#1074788)

          There's no reason, with the computing power we have now, that we can't decide how many districts there should be in a state (by population) and have a computer draw up the most compact districts possible that are equal in population every two years, in the off year between congressional elections so there was time to meet with constituents and campaign. We would probably have to have some human intervention in the process, you don't want small districts split by a mountain range* for instance, but by feeding data about such anomalies back into the program we should be able to make fair districts by a mostly non-partisan process.

          *Some, like in California's Inyo County, are so sparsely populated over a large area that they do have to cross several mountain ranges.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:23PM (1 child)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:23PM (#1074247) Journal

      Our voting system is so bad, so insecure, so unreliable, it can only be this bad through sustained fanatical effort.

      And, thankfully, all that fanatical effort failed this time.

      • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:32AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:32AM (#1074475)

        Hemo's a bit fragile, right now. The liberals are going to shove doctrine down his throat, and this scares the crap out of him, which is good because it makes more room for the dogma. Poor hemo!

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:23PM (2 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:23PM (#1074347) Journal

      it can only be this bad through sustained financial effort. Fanaticism has to be cultivated, and fanatics herded and corralled. Notice that all non DNC/GOP votes amounted to only 1.7%. The magic works!

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:30PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:30PM (#1074352)

        Not on me, I voted third party.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:32PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:32PM (#1074399)

          Yes, but you are very special.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Reziac on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:07AM (6 children)

      by Reziac (2489) on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:07AM (#1074521) Homepage

      How did it fail? let an auditor count the ways:

      https://monsterhunternation.com/2020/11/05/the-2020-election-fuckery-is-afoot/ [monsterhunternation.com]

      If you had to cheat to win -- you didn't win.

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      • (Score: 4, Informative) by FatPhil on Sunday November 08 2020, @05:59PM (5 children)

        by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Sunday November 08 2020, @05:59PM (#1074751) Homepage
        That article is full of paranoid ranting, almost-immediately-debunked conspiracy theories, several complete misunderstandings of the data that was being seen, and a bunch of downright lies.

        There are a few warning flags that could be signs of localised pro-blue dodginess, yes, and they should be looked into.
        However, there are also a few warning signs of pro-red doginess too (e.g. the silver hummer), and those too should be looked into.
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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @06:49PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @06:49PM (#1074767)

          The Democrats, China, and of course, the Jews, stole the election. Anyone who can't see that is either a liar or stupid. I did not vote for Trump.

        • (Score: 3, Funny) by Reziac on Sunday November 08 2020, @07:10PM (3 children)

          by Reziac (2489) on Sunday November 08 2020, @07:10PM (#1074775) Homepage

          You might want to watch this, which should horrify security geeks everywhere:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ficae6x1Q5A [youtube.com]

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          • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:27PM (2 children)

            by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:27PM (#1074829) Homepage
            That the US persists in using a system whose attack surface is unfathomably huge, I will never understand. It's almost as if you want ways of guaranteeing pre-selected results.

            However, that video, at least the first 2 minutes, was even more incoherent than your previous blog link, dripping with bias and lack of any semblence of objectivity in every frame.

            I got to the first actual bit of the interview, and it pointed to 2002, so Bush. Yeah, we knew the Republicans were as corrupt as all hell already. Even back at the time. Did you not notice them violating the constitution and lying to every member of the US population? The rest of the world noticed it. I presume he's just going to continue repeating stuff we have known for decades. And is nothing to do with certain people's paranoia about this Biden result.
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            • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:35PM (1 child)

              by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:35PM (#1074832) Homepage
              Well, he's not that reliable in the field of security, as he thinks that public visibility of the source code for these systems is a bad thing.
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              • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Sunday November 08 2020, @10:09PM

                by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Sunday November 08 2020, @10:09PM (#1074847) Homepage
                Oh jeebus - he propagates the *known lie* at 2720s.

                Which by extension means you're propagating the known lie too.

                Nothing he says can be given any credibility at face value any more.

                Which by extension means that nothing you say can be given any credibility at face value any more.
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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @07:32PM (20 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @07:32PM (#1074221)

    It's only a projection. However, because of the gynocentric, pronatalist-extremist punk-bitches pulling the strings behind-the-scenes, it's likely gonna go back and forth between Biden and Trump until the world's most notorious presumptive 'social offender' suspect makes some racist, bigoted comment(s) on some public forum. Hey Governor Inslee, go fuck yourself.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:15PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:15PM (#1074238)

      Inslee is a fucking moron and a fruit terrorist.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:33AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:33AM (#1074479)

        Spotted the Wenatchee orchard Republican! This is what happens when you live on the wrong (right-wing) side of the Cascades!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2020, @04:45AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2020, @04:45AM (#1075524)

          Sorry bub -- I live on the wet side. As we are learning, demographics is not destiny, to be followed by locality is not "bought the fucking koolaide".

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:32PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:32PM (#1074258)

      Your comment has been modded in to oblivion. In its place, we present an encore performance of "Trumpy's Troletariat."

      • (Score: 5, Funny) by DannyB on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:48PM (2 children)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:48PM (#1074272) Journal

        Trumpty Dumpty can't build a wall
        Trumpty Dumpty had a great fall
        All Kim Jong's horses
        And all Putin's men
        Couldn't put Trumpty together again

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        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:01PM (1 child)

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:01PM (#1074380)

          Couldn't put Trumpty together again

          Don't be so sure, here in 2020 Donnie has already gone quite belligerent and senile as compared to 2016, not that he was starting from a good place.

          By 2024 he will be so dotty and manipulable he just might make the perfect puppet to put in office and get unprecedented levels of support from those who would pull the strings. Of course there's also the Bush precedent, if the son of wealth makes a great front man - why not the grandson of wealth to follow him in 2028?

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:20AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:20AM (#1074430)

            Of course there's also the Bush precedent, if the son of wealth makes a great front man - why not the grandson of wealth to follow him in 2028?

            Who? That cotton mouth junkie? [twitter.com]

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:35PM (11 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:35PM (#1074263)

      Falling back on conspiracies. How are you fools so dumb? Trump was a tool of the elites to steal tax payer money, pass corporate friendly policies, and stack the courts with pro business judges environment be damned. Continue be a useful puppet for your betters, I guess it makes you feel important.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @09:28PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @09:28PM (#1074311)

        Yes "Moscow" Mitch. PBS special next week about him.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:29PM (9 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:29PM (#1074396)

        Trump was a tool of the elites to steal tax payer money

        Lock him up. 12 more years.

        • (Score: 5, Interesting) by barbara hudson on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:57PM (7 children)

          by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:57PM (#1074419) Journal

          People asked how Germany could go Nazi. It was impossible for people today to understand. And yet we have almost half the country voting for a crooked white supremacy, whose need to be elected had him continually lie about covid while over 230,000 people died. The death toll will be close to 400,00 by Inauguration Day, and will continue to climb.

          Half the country aided and abetted a mass murderer.. History shows that, even if it takes decades, Trumpers will face a day of reconning.. Better start deleting all those anti-mask protest videos and posts in support of Trump, because the kumbaya moment is just a moment; Americans don't do peaceful reconciliation.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:25AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:25AM (#1074472)

            I hate to burst your bubble, but there is a world of difference between IMMORAL and IMMORTAL. You achieved the first, but the second is out of your grasp.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:06AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:06AM (#1074520)

              How many bots are running around here?

          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:29AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:29AM (#1074537)

            And yet we have almost half the country voting for a crooked white supremacy

            And the other half voted for Trump!

            • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:39AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:39AM (#1074609)

              Poor kids are just as smart as white kids.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:51AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:51AM (#1074613)

                So why the conservative kids have all the difficulty with the spelling words, thing? I hope they don't loose there miners over it, and literally act like they were not really educated, and seem more then not so much caring less then the others. Word, dudes.

          • (Score: 2) by dry on Sunday November 08 2020, @07:18AM

            by dry (223) on Sunday November 08 2020, @07:18AM (#1074590) Journal

            And the capitalists overwhelmingly supported the Nazi's as they were good for business. Both German and most all international businesses with offices in Germany, and they got away with it. The Americans in particular were very reluctant to charge their banks and other businesses with war crimes. Today only IBM is remembered as a collaborator but most all international businesses collaborated as Hitler was good for business.

          • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Sunday November 08 2020, @06:05PM

            by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Sunday November 08 2020, @06:05PM (#1074754) Homepage
            > Half the country aided and abetted a mass murderer.

            Which one? Trump? Obama? Bush? Clinton? Bush Sr.? Reagan? My memories of prior ones is a bit sketchy, so I would need to trawl the history books to continue the list unbroken with the same absolute certainty I have regarding the recent ones.
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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @05:16PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @05:16PM (#1074733)

          It Trump is tossed in jail... What of the next 10 yrs of Secert Service gaurdinging him? Do they go to jail too?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:19PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:19PM (#1074715)

      The only thing I hate more than gynocentricism is androcentricism. Both are rooted in patriarchy.

      So we must smash patriarchy. However, men who complain about gynocentricism and women who complain about patriarchy seem to be unwilling to take the step of actually smashing it. They tell me this is because of white supremacy, and while adding on that epicycle does make the predictions more accurate, accounting for the fact that 55% of white women voted for Third Term Trump, it still cannot explain why across the board, in all racial demographics, more women voted for Third Term Trump than the first term. Only class conflict can make sense of that. Additionally, if Engels and Luxemburg are correct, then in order to smash patriarchy and its gynocentricism, we must also smash capitalism.

      So since we don't know how to smash capitalism yet in a way that results in direct democracy and dictatorship of the proletariat instead of dictatorship of the bureaucracy, it looks like it is up to the "incels" and others sidelined and marginalized by gynocentricism, which is always cisgynocentricism because patriarchy cannot stand the idea that somebody can simply self-identify and self-substantiate out of their assigned gender caste, to smash gynocentricism. The fight is with right-wing feminism (anti-humanist "feminism" that is not actually feminism and is promoted by patriarchy as a way of continuing the sexual slavery of women while maintaining a veneer of sorta-leftism) that denies the superiority of yaoi!

      Yaoi against gynocentricism!
      Yaoi for sexual liberation!

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @07:51PM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @07:51PM (#1074228)

    Trump could:
    1) be impeach and tossed from office for actions unbecoming to the office. Then Penice is 48th.
    2) make deal with Penice. Then penice is 48th and pardons Trump. Then Penice is 48th.
    3) trips over ottoman and out of medical reason. 25th kicks in and Penice is 48th.

    Biden trips over ottoman and Harris is 48th.

    EDGE CASES PEOPLE! EDGE CASES!

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:04PM (1 child)

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:04PM (#1074232) Homepage Journal

      And you just had to tell that to our QA guy. For shame, martyb!

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      • (Score: 2) by martyb on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:58PM

        by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:58PM (#1074286) Journal

        I was going to let it pass, but since you did make a direct request, here ya go [soylentnews.org].

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by SpockLogic on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:19PM

      by SpockLogic (2762) on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:19PM (#1074242)

      Trump is 45 so who disappeared 46 & 47, spooky !!!!

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    • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:41PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:41PM (#1074267)

      Sadly, by not preventing massive voting fraud, Pennsylvania has disenfranchised most of its citizens. Therefore, the state no longer has a republican (small 'r') form of government.

      The U.S. Constitution guarantees each state a republican form of government (Article IV, Section 4). Thus Pennsylvania is in insurrection against the Constitution, and it is the duty of the sitting President to declare such insurrection, invade the state by military force, and put down the insurrectionist government and restore a republican form of government.

      During the reconstruction of the state, a new location for its capital might be best. I suggest Gettysburg.

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by martyb on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:53PM (3 children)

      by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:53PM (#1074280) Journal

      1) be impeach and tossed from office for actions unbecoming to the office. Then Penice is 48th.

      a.) s/impeach/impeached/
      b.) s/Penice/Pence/
      c.) s/48/46/
      d.) That would require a vote by the Republican-held Senate, still chaired by Mitch McConnell. Who has already overseen one impeachment vote. Trump might be impeached again (by the House of Representatives), but it would be political suicide for McConnell to allow the articles to pass in the Senate.

      2) make deal with Penice. Then penice is 48th and pardons Trump. Then Penice is 48th.

      a.) s/penice/Pence/ig
      b.) s/48/46/
      c.) Even if Pence were to pardon Trump, that would only affect Federal charges. State and local (e.g. New York City) charges could (and likely would) still be brought once he is no longer in office.

      3) trips over ottoman and out of medical reason. 25th kicks in and Penice is 48th.

      a.) s/of/for/
      b.) s/penice/Pence/
      c.) s/48/46/
      d.) Based on past observations, I cannot imagine Trump giving up power. It would be akin to admitting anything more than a flesh wound [youtube.com].

      Biden trips over ottoman and Harris is 48th.

      a.) s/48/46/
      b.) Psshaw, Biden could leap over an ottoman in a single bound! :^)

      Oh, and you may want to reread TFS and TFS's title, too.

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      • (Score: 4, Touché) by Magic Oddball on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:31PM

        by Magic Oddball (3847) on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:31PM (#1074354) Journal

        I could be wrong, but I interpreted the "Penice" spelling as a deliberate phonetic spelling so the VP's name would be mentally pronounced as "penis."

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:44AM (1 child)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:44AM (#1074445) Journal

        As for: Penice

        I googled Penice earlier today and found that it can mean multiple penis. Like two of them.

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        • (Score: 2) by SpockLogic on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:32PM

          by SpockLogic (2762) on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:32PM (#1074655)

          As for: Penice

          I googled Penice earlier today and found that it can mean multiple penis. Like two of them.

          Snakes have two don't they, so that would work.

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    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:04PM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:04PM (#1074381)

      I remembered this [youtube.com] sounding a little better, back in the day.

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    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:21AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:21AM (#1074468)

      You misspelled penis.

  • (Score: 4, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:06PM (69 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:06PM (#1074234) Homepage Journal

    Guys, this was always going to end in lawyers, regardless of who it looked like had won. Hopefully we'll find out who our president is by the time whoever wins 2024 is ready to take office, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

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    • (Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:27PM (15 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:27PM (#1074251) Journal

      Clearly Trump is going to claim all sorts of bullshit.

      The great part is that those claims are no longer newsworthy 'cause he's just some whiny sore loser now.

      We can all start ignoring the douche as of today! Congratulations America!!!!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:17PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:17PM (#1074342)

        I don't know i expect him to shut up. I expect Biden v trump 2024

        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by barbara hudson on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:09AM (4 children)

          by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:09AM (#1074424) Journal

          Won't be possible. Various states want him on criminal chargess that he can't receive a pardon for.

          Remember how he said if he had to he'd reach into his own pocket and donate $50 million to his campaign in the closing weeks? He doesn't have the money. Melanie got the rest of the liquid assets when she renegotiated her prenup. She knows how Trump operates - she wasn't going to take a share of a business or property that's encumbered with debt.

          He's been on a tear liquidating stocks and bonds to prop up his money losing golf courses. And now that he's been made a fool of and shown to be a loser, Even Putin won't hook him up with a monied oligarch.

          Look at how fast republicans have ditched him in the first house after the loss. It's only begun. The Trump family are now leper's.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:44AM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:44AM (#1074556)

            Plus, his life is is about as worthless as Jeff Epstein's now that he has failed to deliver on promises to Putin and Crown Prince Salman.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:54AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:54AM (#1074614)

              I aways thought it was just that the Mafia was a little leery about taking out a US President, again, after all the bad press the last time. Of course, if he is ex-president? Maybe he needs to visit NYC, and the East River, just one more time.

              • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Monday November 09 2020, @10:05PM

                by Thexalon (636) on Monday November 09 2020, @10:05PM (#1075358)

                I don't think the mob is worried about how it would look to take out another president. My guess is that it's much simpler than that: It's very likely Trump owes them a lot of money. Every day he is president, he can and will steal from the US public treasury (as he's been doing quite consistently throughout his presidency) to pay them back. So they want him alive as long as he's president to maximize their ROI.

                After he stops being president, not so much.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2020, @06:52AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2020, @06:52AM (#1075587)

              Nah, Putin got what he wanted within the first few years. I doubt he expected Trump to go two rounds, and god damn how much he must have laughed at Trump getting close.

              As for Salmon, he got his arms deal and will now be using American made hardware to murder the enemies of Islam. Too fucking hilarious that conservatives just let that slide, not to mention the Turkish body guards that assaulted some US citizens.

              Trump, what a pathetic weakling.

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:41PM (4 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:41PM (#1074410) Journal
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        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:58AM (3 children)

          by hemocyanin (186) on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:58AM (#1074449) Journal

          After four years of RussiaRussiaRussia conspiracy and relentless negativity (not just to Trump let's not forget 2016's 16 negative Bernie articles in 16 hours), forgive me if my trust in the American Pravda cohort is in permanent negative territory.

          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:10AM (2 children)

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:10AM (#1074458) Journal

            Ellen Weintraub, with the Federal Election Commission, wants Americans to know that "there really has been no evidence of fraud" in the election this year.

            "State and local officials and poll workers throughout the country really stepped up. And there have been very few complaints about how this election was run," Weintraub told CNN Saturday morning. "Very few substantiated complaints, let me put it that way. There is no evidence of any kind of voter fraud. There is no evidence of illegal votes being cast. In fact, and you don't have to take my word for it, because people throughout the country, nonpartisan election experts, have come out and handled this election and how it was run."

            Weintraub added: "There really has been no evidence of fraud. None of the complaints have attached any evidence of fraud."

            Ellen L. Weintraub is an American attorney who serves as a Commissioner on the Federal Election Commission. [wikipedia.org]

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:28AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:28AM (#1074473)

              Alexander Grigoryevich Lukashenko laughs at you.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:32AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:32AM (#1074477)

                Meanwhile, who gives a fuck about you?

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by deimtee on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:42PM (2 children)

        by deimtee (3272) on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:42PM (#1074412) Journal

        I don't think you really understand the media's goals. No matter how bad and how crazy Trump is, he gets views and clicks. The more outrageous his claims, and the more they get people worked up, the more the media will show them.
        He's still going to be on the news as much as Emmanuel Goldstein was 36 years ago.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @05:21PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @05:21PM (#1074734)

          In simple terms...

          New Media:
          1) More Trump lies
          2) More clicks
          3) More Profit

          Expect all to board-up the doors tomorrow.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @07:59PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @07:59PM (#1074789)

            That would be the one great thing coming out of a Biden win.

            Besides Covid suddenly becoming nothing to worry about, according to the scientists who will now be given a voice again.

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday November 09 2020, @03:21AM

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday November 09 2020, @03:21AM (#1074970) Homepage Journal

        Yes, it's only Republicans who would ever drag out extremely close races. Biden would never have done anything remotely similar. Excuse me while I go ask my buddy Chad how it's hanging.

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    • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:27PM (12 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:27PM (#1074252)

      As usual you are wrong. If Buden had a more solid lead then the lawyering would have been tossed aside pretty quickly. Right now Trump needs a recount to get him closer, and any fuckery trying to ignore the vote will go very badly for Trump.

      But don't be sad! You can wrap up your confidently stated incorrect position with some hand waving abiut how it was super likely to be a close race so your we can ugnore ither possibilities and thus you saying 'always' was perfectly valid. Go ahead, you can't stop your trolling dipshittery after all these years!

      • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:48PM (2 children)

        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:48PM (#1074369) Journal

        Currently it looks like he's three states ahead. Even if he only took Nevada, a tie would throw it into the House, where the Democrats dominate.

        So it's possible that Trump will win, but it would require a major change. It sure isn't the way to bet.

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        • (Score: 1, Troll) by linuxrocks123 on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:16AM (1 child)

          by linuxrocks123 (2557) on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:16AM (#1074531) Journal

          No. Trump would have won an electoral college tie.

          If the (new) House selects the President, each STATE has one vote. That means, if the state's House delegation is mostly Democrats, it would vote for Biden, and if the state's delegation is mostly Republicans, it would vote for Trump. States with an exactly tied delegation would abstain.

          In the new House, the Republicans will control more state delegations, even though the Democrats control more seats. This was also the case in the old House, and the Democrats were actually trying very hard to flip delegations, in preparation for the possibility of a tie. But they didn't succeed; they didn't even manage not to lose seats.

          • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:56AM

            by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:56AM (#1074541) Journal

            mmpfh....those are some details I hadn't remembered.

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      • (Score: 0, Redundant) by hemocyanin on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:01AM (7 children)

        by hemocyanin (186) on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:01AM (#1074451) Journal

        The problem with recounts is that the fraudulent votes are already mixed in. We have ballots that can be reproduced on any copier and so once they are in the pool, there is no way to remove them.

        Democrats won the election but no democratic form of government can survive when foundational trust is lost, so likely, it is a pyrrhic victory for them.

        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:02AM (5 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:02AM (#1074517)

          The problem with recounts is that the fraudulent votes are already mixed in

          So all the evidence against Trump for his abuses of power and Russian collusion were fake news witch hunts, but fraudulent voting is 100% real because reasons?

          hemo, you got probs boy

          • (Score: 2, Interesting) by hemocyanin on Sunday November 08 2020, @08:34AM (4 children)

            by hemocyanin (186) on Sunday November 08 2020, @08:34AM (#1074594) Journal

            Before MI took the website down, you could type in the name and birthdate of numerous people (born in the early 1900s and now dead) who requested a ballot and returned it.

            The evidence is there if one wishes to see it, but you have to be open to facts -- not a Democrat strength.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK21F1b5ihc [youtube.com]

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:59AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @09:59AM (#1074616)

              And the problem with hemo is that he is a total jackass Republican shill, who needs to be expunged from the voter rolls, and the Soylent list of Soylentils. We all know you are already dead, hemo! Stop pretending and trying to throw elections! Twat.

            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @07:12PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @07:12PM (#1074776)

              It is not often I bother to check youtube links from conservatives, and that link is a perfect example of why. It is all a bunch of speculation and fear mongering based off little to no research, no comprehensive analysis, disregards "those votes won't be counted as they are fraudulent" with "if that is your story fine, stick with it."

              Lol, gotta at least prove the system failed and those votes were counted, otherwise it us a big nothingburger story. Very likely GOP assholes submitting these requests to try and get enough traction for Trumo's no-evidence claims of fraud.

              What is the truth behind these dead people ballots? I don't know, maybe it was real fraud, maybe it was mistakes, maybe it was a false flag op. The only thing I do know is you won't be getting answers from that bearded turd who just wants to make money as yet another douchebag internet pundit that does some internet "research" and spins 20 mins of "investigative journalism" into a click and merch farm.

              Make better choices hemo, or are you too old to learn new tricks? Maybe you are one of those people who will accept any line of pseudo-intellectual blather as long as it reinforces your beliefs?

              • (Score: 1) by hemocyanin on Monday November 09 2020, @09:14PM (1 child)

                by hemocyanin (186) on Monday November 09 2020, @09:14PM (#1075337) Journal

                You have no evidence those votes were not counted. The only way that can be discovered is by investigating and if it can't be discovered by investigating, what does that say about the validity of our election system? Secondly, the incontrovertible evidence is that dead people requested, received, and returned ballots. In what kind of logical election system that even possible?

                As for the personal attack part, whatever. If that's all you got, you know you are on the moral low ground. Answer the questions above with a substantive response.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2020, @06:58AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2020, @06:58AM (#1075590)

                  There a fuck ton of poll watchers and bipartisan observers of the vote counting. These are the investigators, along with lots of other bipartisan election monitors.

                  Keep spouting off that propaganda, it totally doesn't make you look like a looney tunes character to repeat actually baseless accusations. Oh, you thought you had evidence. Please, do some follow up research on the dead people having voted. Maybe contact the local GOP rep for those areas and see what they have to say?

                  PS: have you read the Mueller report yet? While we're on the topic of baseless accusations, last I heard the conservative line was that Trump's abuses of power and collusion with Russia were totally unfounded and refuted by the report but if you actually read it you might come away with a different perspective.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @08:04PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @08:04PM (#1074792)

          Democrats won the election but no democratic form of government can survive when foundational trust is lost, so likely, it is a pyrrhic victory for them.

          They won't care. It's about winning.

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday November 09 2020, @03:37AM

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday November 09 2020, @03:37AM (#1074973) Homepage Journal

        Sure, sure. You go ahead and believe that. I'll be sitting and watching the lawyer circus that nobody has anything to base predictions on yet.

        Me, I'm not going to lose my shit no matter how it turns out. I'll survive a Biden presidency the same way I survived all the presidents from 88 onward. Ditto another Trump term but with slightly more laughter. What I'm mostly looking for out of this shit show is exposure of as much voter fraud and perpetrators thereof as can be found. I'd also like to see the Dems faced with having to defend election policies that could have no other possible reason for existence than the electoral disenfranchisement of American citizens. If some actual voter suppression comes up, I'll be happy to see folks hung out to dry for it as well. Keep in mind that if you argue against going after voter fraud, you're arguing in favor of making the votes of yourself and all your fellow citizens utterly meaningless.

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    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by barbara hudson on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:28PM (26 children)

      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:28PM (#1074253) Journal

      The Trump campaign is broke. They should have had lawyers all over the place instead of idiot Rudy, who was giving a presser when he was told the election had been called. "Which network called it?" "All of them." "Don't be ridiculous!"

      Trumps campaign was sending out emails trying to raise funds for legal challengess, with half going to existing campaign debts. But nobody likes a loser.

      The funny part is that the libtards (libertarians) took enough votes from Trump to give the battleground states to Biden, same as the Greens did to the democrats 4 years ago.

      <Nelson>Ha Ha</Nelson>:

      Told you so. Again.

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      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:44PM (16 children)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:44PM (#1074270) Journal

        But nobody likes a loser.

        Trump still has a loyal cult following.

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        • (Score: 2, Informative) by ilPapa on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:53PM (12 children)

          by ilPapa (2366) on Saturday November 07 2020, @08:53PM (#1074279) Journal

          Trump still has a loyal cult following.

          The problem with cult followings is that the tend to disappear when their leader does.

          Cut the head off the cockroach, and the body dies.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:20PM (10 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:20PM (#1074343)

            What makes you think he is gone. in 4 years he is going to go for it again, well assuming he is alive.

            • (Score: 4, Insightful) by meustrus on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:20PM (1 child)

              by meustrus (4961) on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:20PM (#1074391)

              He'd never win the primary. His base isn't enough if everyone else sees him as a loser. To most primary voters, a vote for Trump would mean a vote for the Democrats to keep the WH.

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              • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @06:50AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @06:50AM (#1074588)

                In four years he's going to run as a Democrat.

            • (Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:46PM (7 children)

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:46PM (#1074414) Journal

              well assuming he is alive.

              And out of jail, Biden pledged not to pardon Trump [politico.com].

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              • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Monday November 09 2020, @01:33PM (6 children)

                by deimtee (3272) on Monday November 09 2020, @01:33PM (#1075131) Journal

                II don't think Biden will be pardoning Trump, because I don't think Trump will be charged with anything. The "elite" don't go to jail unless they screw up in a way that hurts someone higher on the "elite" scale. (eg.Epstein was suicided because he embarrassed Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton.)
                As an ex-president, Trump is pretty high on that scale. He didn't prosecute Hillary, they won't prosecute him.

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                • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday November 09 2020, @01:43PM (1 child)

                  by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday November 09 2020, @01:43PM (#1075135) Journal

                  because I don't think Trump will be charged with anything.

                  Wanna bet? [9news.com.au]

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                  • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Monday November 09 2020, @02:06PM

                    by deimtee (3272) on Monday November 09 2020, @02:06PM (#1075145) Journal

                    Yep. I think all the official cases wil evaporate.
                    .He might still be sued by some of those people in civil actions, but there won't be any criminal charges. People in power don't like setting precedents that might come back and bite them.

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                • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Monday November 09 2020, @10:51PM (3 children)

                  by Thexalon (636) on Monday November 09 2020, @10:51PM (#1075373)

                  First off, when discussing Jeffrey Epstein, why is Donald Trump's name conspicuously missing from your list of people associated with him? It's not like the president can reasonably claim to have never been a part of Epstein's ring when there are photos, video, numerous witnesses, and sexual assault allegations saying otherwise.

                  Second, he has hurt lots of people and organizations in the "elite" end of society, such as approximately every major bank in New York City.

                  Third, whether people like him normally do go to jail, would you agree that in the interests of justice and the rule of law, he ought to if he committed major crimes? You mention that he never prosecuted Hillary Clinton for anything, but that might have something to do with not having *any* evidence outside of conspiracy-theorist fantasies with which to do so.

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                  • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Tuesday November 10 2020, @12:28AM (2 children)

                    by deimtee (3272) on Tuesday November 10 2020, @12:28AM (#1075415) Journal

                    First off, when discussing Jeffrey Epstein, why is Donald Trump's name conspicuously missing from your list of people associated with him? It's not like the president can reasonably claim to have never been a part of Epstein's ring when there are photos, video, numerous witnesses, and sexual assault allegations saying otherwise.

                    No there really aren't. They moved in the same high finance/rich people circles and were photographed together once or twice. Every single article uses the same 20 year old photo of them together at a party. You could find as many photos of any other 1%'er talking to Epstein. Trump banned Epstein from his club years before it all blew up.
                    The whole drag-Trump-into-it thing was :
                    A/ Trump is Evil-Hitler-Satan therefore he must be involved in anything bad, and
                    B/ A successful attempt to distract from the fact that Bill Clinton flew on Epstein's jet so many times, and spent so much time on his island.
                    C/ A successful attempt to avoid asking "Who else went on the plane and to the island?" It was not just Bill and Handy-Andy.

                    Third, whether people like him normally do go to jail, would you agree that in the interests of justice and the rule of law, he ought to if he committed major crimes?

                    Certainly. I think he is probably guilty of many crimes, fraud, tax evasion, money laundering, etc. But just because I think he's guilty and should go to prison doesn't mean I think he will go to prison.

                    You mention that he never prosecuted Hillary Clinton for anything, but that might have something to do with not having *any* evidence outside of conspiracy-theorist fantasies with which to do so.

                    Ask somebody with a security clearance what would happen if they set up a private email server at home and sent classified material to it. It is a strict liability offense and they would go to prison.

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                    • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Tuesday November 10 2020, @06:52PM (1 child)

                      by Thexalon (636) on Tuesday November 10 2020, @06:52PM (#1075818)

                      No there really aren't. They moved in the same high finance/rich people circles and were photographed together once or twice. Every single article uses the same 20 year old photo of them together at a party. You could find as many photos of any other 1%'er talking to Epstein.

                      Nice goalpost move.

                      The question isn't "Was Donald Trump the most closely associated rich guy with Jeffrey Epstein?" but "Was Donald Trump one of the people associated with Jeffrey Epstein?" And the answer is unquestionably "yes": There are media quotes from Donald Trump, physical evidence from Epstein, the aforementioned photos and videos, accusations of rape against Trump in particular by underage girls recruited by Epstein's ring, and, oh yeah, his not-very-subtle warning to Ghislaine Maxwell to keep her mouth shut if she knew what was good for her. Is he the sole suspect for Epstein's probable murder? No. Should he be ruled out as a suspect? Also no.

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                      • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Tuesday November 10 2020, @11:35PM

                        by deimtee (3272) on Tuesday November 10 2020, @11:35PM (#1075936) Journal

                        Given how desperate the media and the democrats were to find anything to smear Trump, if there was any evidence it would be continually blasted out everywhere. There is one twenty year old photo of them apparently laughing together at a party. Soon after, Trump banned Epstein from Mar-a-lago for harassing young girls. He was also the only one to co-operate with the state AG when they went after Epstein in Florida in 2008.

                        So of all this video and photo evidence that they were closely associated, can you link to any other than that one ancient photo?

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          • (Score: 2) by Taibhsear on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:07PM

            by Taibhsear (1464) on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:07PM (#1074636)

            Cut the head off the cockroach, and the body dies.

            https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-cockroach-can-live-without-head/ [scientificamerican.com]

            Headless roaches are capable of living for weeks.

            Might want to revise your analogy a little, just sayin'...

        • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:34PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:34PM (#1074401)

          Dont forget that Biden is now owned by Facebook Apple Netfilx Google Amazon Twitter

          So a vote for Biden is a vote for the Tech Monopolists

          And a vote for Trump is anyone's call

          Not what you would call a great choice here ...

          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday November 08 2020, @11:03AM (1 child)

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday November 08 2020, @11:03AM (#1074628) Journal

            Dont forget that Biden is now owned by Facebook Apple Netfilx Google Amazon Twitter

            Biden simply doesn't need to use FB/Twitter to communicate with his base and the leverage is gone.

            On the other side, how nice was it when Trump was owned by FoxNews, right? Especially the endgame of the 4D chess was tremendously executed.

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            • (Score: 1) by hemocyanin on Tuesday November 10 2020, @04:48AM

              by hemocyanin (186) on Tuesday November 10 2020, @04:48AM (#1075529) Journal

              Of course not -- he has the entire media machine to do his bidding and correct his grammar prior to publication.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:24AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:24AM (#1074432)

        I'm one of those "libtards", as you refer to us. I've never voted for Trump. I wrote in "nobody" this election, because JoJo is too bizarre for my tastes.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:46AM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:46AM (#1074446)

        same as the Greens did to the democrats 4 years ago.

        This is a completely false narrative. The actual data showed that the vast, vast majority of Green voters would not have voted for Hillary if the Green party was not on the ballot.

        I suspect the same is true of libertarian voters.

        • (Score: 2, Disagree) by hemocyanin on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:08AM (5 children)

          by hemocyanin (186) on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:08AM (#1074456) Journal

          You are correct. I voted for Stein in 2016 because nothing could make me vote for HRC. I voted for Trump this time around for several logical reasons -- no new wars, my taxes went down, peace deals in the ME, and most of all, the unending press negativity -- the guy couldn't do anything without it being spun negatively. He could invent a cure for cancer and MSNBC would lament the loss of jobs in the nursing profession. Anyway, there was no better "fuck you" than a vote for Trump.

          Anyway -- now that the Obedience (you don't get to call yourself the "resistance" when the CIA, NSA, FBI, Wall St., major corporations, big tech, and all of higher education is on your side) has won, I look forward to cheering for the war in Syria and examining my whiteness if I even think about complaining.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:09AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:09AM (#1074522)

            One of the most insightful posts ever on Soiled Nudes. That you've been downmodded "troll" illustrates and proves what you've said about the behavior of the left.

            I'm not unhappy that Biden won; I'm very unhappy that so many mass public are so easily swayed by the liberal media. I feel like I'm surrounded by a huge irrational lynch mob. So much for independent free thought. I hope they all look back someday and feel like the kool-aid drinking idiots they are.

            My mom used to say we don't need to fear Soviet Union or Communist China. We need to fear being rotted from within. So it continues.

            No need to attack us Russia and China, the borders will be wide open. Just come in and take anything you want, just like the liberal looters.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:56AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @04:56AM (#1074560)
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @10:05AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @10:05AM (#1074617)

            examining my whiteness if I even think about complaining.

            Porch Honkey! (You really should think more about complaining, you white privileged asshole!)

          • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:12PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:12PM (#1074637)

            the guy couldn't do anything without it being spun negatively.

            The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one...

            examining my whiteness if I even think about complaining

            Psst... your dogwhistle is showing.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @05:30PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @05:30PM (#1074738)

            Please do not forget under Trump your "taxes" went up! YEs "tax" the ones hardess that least amount to pay. Like slaes tax is.

            What "tax" you ask... Tariffs. They are taxes collected on the vaule of goods being brought into the US. They are not "paid" by China, Shipping Company, Middle men, store... They are paid by you the consumer!

            Remeber when Trump held back on Tariff until after the Christmas Season. He did not the cusmter to se higher prices for TVs, caused by his "tax". So place it on in January for the Superbowl. More large TV are bought for that... then returned.

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday November 09 2020, @03:38AM

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday November 09 2020, @03:38AM (#1074974) Homepage Journal

        Wait n watch. Calling anything yet is a wild assed guess.

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    • (Score: 4, Touché) by helel on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:30PM (2 children)

      by helel (2949) on Saturday November 07 2020, @10:30PM (#1074353)

      America - where we all know who got more votes but nobody knows who won!

      • (Score: 2) by choose another one on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:59PM (1 child)

        by choose another one (515) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:59PM (#1074420)

        Not much different to the UK.

        Numbers are almost a carbon copy of the Brexit referendum, and we had several years of court challenges over that and a boatload of people still don't accept the result.

        Will there be a "Trump Remain" campaign? I don't know, the party seem to be dropping him fairly rapidly so his support may fizzle out, but I guess anything is possible.

        • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:13AM

          by RS3 (6367) on Sunday November 08 2020, @03:13AM (#1074526)

          I've long thought that voting is too course a sampling. What if we voted much more often, like every 6 months?

    • (Score: 2) by meustrus on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:31PM (7 children)

      by meustrus (4961) on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:31PM (#1074398)

      Naw, the only way Biden would sue is if stop-the-count had held any water in court. Under any reasonable situation where properly counted votes showed a Trump victory, he'd concede.

      Or did you mean Trump would sue even if he won? I guess it's plausible. He is the most sue-happy lawyer-lover in the world after all.

      Dems do stupid shit sometimes, but that doesn't mean they do the same stupid shit your guy does.

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      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by barbara hudson on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:17AM (1 child)

        by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Sunday November 08 2020, @12:17AM (#1074427) Journal
        Not any more he isn't. Lawyers don't work pro bono for loser politicians and the Trump campaign is broke.

        Rudy doe it for free, because he misses the limelight and we've all seen how big a doofus he is.

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        • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Monday November 09 2020, @10:54PM

          by Thexalon (636) on Monday November 09 2020, @10:54PM (#1075374)

          When Rudy said "Do you think we're stupid? Do you think we're fools?" I have to think someone was thinking "Wait, don't answer that!"

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      • (Score: 3, Touché) by tangomargarine on Sunday November 08 2020, @08:27PM

        by tangomargarine (667) on Sunday November 08 2020, @08:27PM (#1074804)

        Or did you mean Trump would sue even if he won? I guess it's plausible.

        I mean, this is the same guy who spent the last 4 years bitching about nonexistent voter fraud after he won the election, so...

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      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday November 09 2020, @03:40AM (3 children)

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday November 09 2020, @03:40AM (#1074975) Homepage Journal

        Um, are you old enough to remember Bush/Gore? If so, WTF are you smoking? If not, WTF are they teaching in schools nowadays?

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        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by meustrus on Monday November 09 2020, @09:23PM (2 children)

          by meustrus (4961) on Monday November 09 2020, @09:23PM (#1075344)

          Hell yeah I remember Bush/Gore. That election came down to some votes that were far less than "properly counted". It went all the way to the Supreme Court because Florida's election law fucked up the ability to do a proper recount.

          All of this happened in one state with voting laws that seem to have been built specifically to make it hard to properly count votes: Florida. I'd like to claim it's a red state / blue state thing, but it's probably actually just a Florida thing.

          There's an alternate reality where this election came down to uncountable ballots in Florida. I said "any reasonable situation where properly counted votes showed a Trump victory" because I would fully expect a Florida situation like that to land in court.

          No state in this election had that kind of shenanigans going on. There were so many eyes on how votes were counted, many pro-Trump eyes I might add, and the worst anyone can say is they think something happened - who knows what - when they left the room.

          While we're talking about Gore though, I'd like to point out that A) the Supreme Court deciding that election was the most activist and partisan decision they have ever made, and it was in favor of the GOP, and B) Gore congratulated Bush on his victory afterwards. I guess it's still possible that Trump will reach a point where he faces reality and congratulates Biden on his victory, but considering he has nothing to gain from doing so, I fully expect him to refuse to accept it until the Secret Service has to drag him out of the White House kicking and screaming like the entitled toddler he is.

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          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday November 10 2020, @02:25AM (1 child)

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday November 10 2020, @02:25AM (#1075461) Homepage Journal

            HA! Dude, listen to the things the Trump count-watchers are saying happened. Shit for which they have actual evidence, like a court order in PA saying they be allowed to move to a spot six feet closer (close enough to the counting to tell shit from shinola) to the counting they were being kept back from and the poll workers promptly moving where they counted six feet further away so they could not see.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2020, @07:01AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2020, @07:01AM (#1075593)

              Mark it folks, today TMB bought the farm! I hear there are animals on it, I'm sure he'll fit in.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:35PM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 07 2020, @11:35PM (#1074402) Journal

      Guys, this was always going to end in lawyers, regardless of who it looked like had won.

      Yes, it will drag on for ages - Trump Asks Supreme Court to Rule That Wisconsin Is Not a State [newyorker.com]

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:24AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 08 2020, @01:24AM (#1074471)

      Trump will send in Giuliani.

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