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posted by martyb on Tuesday December 01 2020, @09:16PM   Printer-friendly
from the please-keep-things-civil dept.

Leaked documents show China mishandled early COVID-19 pandemic: report

Leaked documents from China show the country mishandled the early COVID-19 pandemic through misleading public data and three-week delays in test results, CNN reported Monday.

A whistleblower, who worked in the Chinese health care system, provided 117 pages of internal documents from the Hubei Provincial Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to CNN.

The files, which CNN had verified by six experts, showed how the region struggled to manage the coronavirus between October 2019 and April 2020 – a critical time period in which the virus spread from China to cause a worldwide pandemic.

[2020-12-01 23:22:03 UTC; Ed. update follows.]

The referenced CNN article is nearly 5,000 words long. In addition there are numerous graphs and graphics. I strongly encourage the community to read the entire article before drawing any conclusions or making comments. Here are some excerpts taken from near the end of the article:

It is not clear to what extent the central government was aware of the actions taking place in Hubei at that time, or how much information was being shared and with whom. The documents offer no indication that authorities in Beijing were directing the local decision-making process. However, Mertha, the JHU academic, said the mismatch between the higher internal and lower public figures on the February death toll "appeared to be a deception, for unsurprising reasons."

"China had an image to protect internationally, and lower-ranking officials had a clear incentive to under-report -- or to show their superiors that they were under-reporting -- to outside eyes," he said.

Conversely, however, the leaked documents also provide something of a defense of China's overall handling of the virus. The reports show that in the early stages of the pandemic, China faced the same problems of accounting, testing, and diagnosis that still haunt many Western democracies even now -- issues compounded by Hubei encountering an entirely new virus.

[...] China and its healthcare workers were under immense strain as the outbreak took hold, said Yang, from the Council of Foreign Relations.

"They had a massive run on the medical system. They were overwhelmed. There was truly despair among medical professionals by the end of January, because they were extremely overworked and they were also enormously discouraged by the high number of deaths that were occurring with a disease they had not treated previously," he added.

Hubei, which lags far behind Beijing, Shanghai and other major Chinese administrative divisions in terms of GDP per capita, was the first region to confront a virus that would go on to confound many of the world's most powerful countries.

Schaffner, from Vanderbilt University, said many of the comments in the documents might have been made in the US, "where, over the past 15 to 20 years, at particularly the state and the local level, public health funding has become constrained."

The documents show health care officials had no comprehension as to the magnitude of the impending disaster.

[...] Tuesday marks exactly 12 months since the first patient in Wuhan started showing symptoms, according to the Lancet study.

Lastly, there are likely to be strong feelings about the situation; I strongly encourage folk to try and keep things civil. Let one's anger be directed at the disease; not at fellow Soylentils. We are all struggling to various degrees to make sense of these highly disturbed circumstances. Please wear a mask, maintain physical distancing, and maintain proper hand washing practices. I can attest these practices help; I live in a state with one of the lowest rates of infection and death in the US. Even with that, I have a friend who was hospitalized for a couple weeks with COVID-19 and of a couple more acquaintances who have lost loved ones to this pandemic. There are the occasional exceptions, and I know people are growing tired and just want things to go back to normal. It is all the more important to do what we can to reduce the spread of this disease. --martyb


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by legont on Wednesday December 02 2020, @05:09AM (20 children)

    by legont (4179) on Wednesday December 02 2020, @05:09AM (#1083101)

    Look, there was an outbreak of virus pneumonia in Russia - in Siberia if I remember correctly - in the spring of 2019. It was dealt with as usual. Some schools were closed, some quarantine established, and everything normalized within two months. That's how local doctors and authorities are supposed to react if they want to avoid pandemic. Was it covid? Was it some other unknown virus or bug? Nobody knows nor cares that much. Chinese behaved exactly the same just on a somewhat bigger scale.
    If the US requires the president to deal with such simple matters, the US is doomed. We are now in the connected world so we either adapt to ways people deal with epidemics or close our borders for good. There is no alternative. The president is not out there to wipe everybody's ass.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Mykl on Wednesday December 02 2020, @05:22AM (2 children)

    by Mykl (1112) on Wednesday December 02 2020, @05:22AM (#1083106)

    If only Trump had done nothing at all.

    Instead, he actively and forcefully played down the virus and encouraged people to ignore it. He then took it a step further and politicized the wearing of masks and social distancing. Not even his own infection (remember he was briefly in the ICU before being hit with a cocktail of experimental drugs) and the near death of friends (such as Chris Christie) stopped him lying to the public about the dangers of the disease.

    If he had shut his big orange mouth from the beginning, people may have listened to the health advice coming out from medical experts who knew what they were talking about rather than trying to drink bleach.

    • (Score: 2) by legont on Wednesday December 02 2020, @05:35AM

      by legont (4179) on Wednesday December 02 2020, @05:35AM (#1083110)

      And I believe it would be the best course of action if implemented. We should have treated sick, protect vulnerable, and let the rest do as they please.
      Instead we implemented a lock-down for strong and healthy, while - and I am not going to say we here, but the governors of tri state area - send covid to the most vulnerable - homes for elderly. They are murderers and should be executed for this, period. They did it to save hospitals beds for their rich and healthy friends. Death for them.

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      "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 02 2020, @07:50AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 02 2020, @07:50AM (#1083144)
  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 02 2020, @06:39AM (14 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 02 2020, @06:39AM (#1083129) Journal

    Was it covid? Was it some other unknown virus or bug? Nobody knows nor cares that much.

    Why ask when it clearly wasn't covid? Because if Russia had COVID-19 that early, then it would have gone global long before February 2020.

    • (Score: 2) by legont on Wednesday December 02 2020, @03:07PM (7 children)

      by legont (4179) on Wednesday December 02 2020, @03:07PM (#1083236)

      Because there are dozens of outbreaks that normal medical authorities deal with every year. One of them one day becomes "covid". The reason to ask is because the US is totally incapable to deal with it. The US outsourced this to China similar to iPhone production. The US - no matter what politicians are in power - believes all the bugs come from China or Russia or whatever and it makes them Chinese responsibility. However, the fact is the bugs know no borders and this particular covid one is likely was discovered in China; not appeared over there.
      Trump was at least honest about it as his answer was to close the border. Democrats are still denying the issue; be it infection or economy destruction.

      --
      "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday December 03 2020, @01:27AM (6 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 03 2020, @01:27AM (#1083458) Journal

        Because there are dozens of outbreaks that normal medical authorities deal with every year.

        We already know covid wasn't dozens of outbreaks that normal medical authorities deal with every year.

        The US - no matter what politicians are in power - believes all the bugs come from China or Russia or whatever and it makes them Chinese responsibility. However, the fact is the bugs know no borders and this particular covid one is likely was discovered in China; not appeared over there.

        Why not get some evidence for that assertion before you continue? Because contrary to assertions made here and elsewhere, no one has yet discovered COVID-19 before its presence in Wuhan last December.

        • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday December 06 2020, @12:44AM (5 children)

          by hendrikboom (1125) on Sunday December 06 2020, @12:44AM (#1084456) Homepage Journal

          SARS-CoV-2 was discovered in archival sewage from March, 2019, in Barcelona.
          It's anybody's guess whether this was a false positive.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday December 06 2020, @04:13PM (4 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday December 06 2020, @04:13PM (#1084569) Journal
            Well, why didn't we see a massive epidemic in the summer of 2019, if it really was there? The narrative is not fitting the science. It's not just a guess that this is a false positive. It best fits the evidence.
            • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Monday December 07 2020, @01:19AM (3 children)

              by hendrikboom (1125) on Monday December 07 2020, @01:19AM (#1084722) Homepage Journal

              I found it interesting that they kept deep=frozen archival sewage to test later.

              There were also old blood samples from September 2019 in Italy that tested positive. And some epidemiologists think this correlates with an increased incidence of flu in the fall of 2019. Some of those flu cases might have been misdiagnosed covid-19.

              And some in New York in December 2019.

              It these are real, covid-19 may not have originated in China, but we can say it was first reported in China.

              But you're right, this demands an explanation why the epidemic didn't explode back then. I don't know enough epidemiology to begin to speculate on that.

              -- hendrik

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday December 07 2020, @04:59AM (2 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday December 07 2020, @04:59AM (#1084786) Journal

                It these are real, covid-19 may not have originated in China, but we can say it was first reported in China.

                "IF". Again, as I repeatedly note, if covid-19 originated elsewhere, then what was special about Wuhan that it became a highly infectious disease there rather than many months earlier elsewhere? There is something very wrong with the narrative.

                The pandemic makes sense starting with Wuhan. The first cases are reported there, and then as additional cases are discovered, they were initially discovered to be tied to travel from Wuhan, and then later, travel from regions that had earlier reported cases tied to Wuhan. If covid-19 had been present in these various cities earlier in the year, then how and why did the disease disappear rather than become a pandemic months earlier than it actually did?

                • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Saturday December 12 2020, @11:53AM (1 child)

                  by hendrikboom (1125) on Saturday December 12 2020, @11:53AM (#1086579) Homepage Journal

                  Your interpretation is indeed the most likely.

                  So they might be just false positives. And likely are.

                  But it might also be that the tests react to predecessors of covid-19 that aren't massively contagious. If so, that would be an interesting avenue for investigation in the theories of viral mutation.

                  I haven't heard of any attempts to retest these early samples from Barcelona, Italy, or New York. That may be impossible if the testing ended up being destructive.

                  Italy and New York have apparently during the fall of 2019 had a greater than normal incidence of "flu" cases that might have been misdiagnosed.

                  -- hendrik

                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday December 12 2020, @10:06PM

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday December 12 2020, @10:06PM (#1086744) Journal

                    But it might also be that the tests react to predecessors of covid-19 that aren't massively contagious. If so, that would be an interesting avenue for investigation in the theories of viral mutation.

                    Remember coronavirus has long been among us as one of the contributors to the "common cold". COVID-19 is new.

                    Italy and New York have apparently during the fall of 2019 had a greater than normal incidence of "flu" cases that might have been misdiagnosed.

                    That misdiagnosis would probably have to be at the viral level too. Remember that 2019 was a worse than normal flu year. So one would expect to see a greater incidence of flu cases.

    • (Score: 2) by legont on Friday December 04 2020, @06:01PM (5 children)

      by legont (4179) on Friday December 04 2020, @06:01PM (#1084092)

      Spanish virologists have found traces of the novel coronavirus in a sample of Barcelona waste water collected in March 2019, nine months before the COVID-19 disease was identified in China

        https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-spain-science/coronavirus-traces-found-in-march-2019-sewage-sample-spanish-study-shows-idUSKBN23X2HQ [reuters.com]

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      "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday December 05 2020, @03:25AM (4 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday December 05 2020, @03:25AM (#1084257) Journal
        Then where did that virus go between Barcelona and China?

        There was the potential for a false positive due to the virus’ similarities with other respiratory infections.

        This. Or maybe error.

        • (Score: 2) by legont on Saturday December 05 2020, @10:38AM (3 children)

          by legont (4179) on Saturday December 05 2020, @10:38AM (#1084322)

          Gabriella Sozzi, an INT biologist, told CGTN Europe that while Italy's first coronavirus patient was officially detected on February 21 in the northern region of Lombardy, blood samples taken in September 2019 showed the presence of the antibodies against the Sars-Cov-2 virus.

          https://newseu.cgtn.com/news/2020-11-17/COVID-19-was-spreading-in-Italy-by-September-2019-study-indicates-VuSqUttP8s/index.html [cgtn.com]

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          "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday December 05 2020, @09:05PM (2 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday December 05 2020, @09:05PM (#1084420) Journal
            Same criticism applies to all these stories. Where's the covid if it really was around back then? There's better explanations than that.
            • (Score: 2) by legont on Saturday December 05 2020, @10:28PM (1 child)

              by legont (4179) on Saturday December 05 2020, @10:28PM (#1084438)

              They are not stories, but scientific research, as opposed to stories that Covid started in China.

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              "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday December 06 2020, @06:44AM

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday December 06 2020, @06:44AM (#1084503) Journal

                They are not stories, but scientific research

                There is some sort of scientific research there, sure, but the stories aren't scientific. If COVID-19, rather than some error in those studies or a disease with a few similar antibodies, were present, then we would have seen vastly more cases in January. Hospitals would be overwhelmed, among other things.

                The narrative doesn't fit the evidence. No amount of such studies will change that.

  • (Score: 2) by epitaxial on Wednesday December 02 2020, @01:48PM (1 child)

    by epitaxial (3165) on Wednesday December 02 2020, @01:48PM (#1083203)

    Well it's past election day and the virus is still here. Trump claimed it would disappear by then.

    • (Score: 2) by legont on Wednesday December 02 2020, @03:27PM

      by legont (4179) on Wednesday December 02 2020, @03:27PM (#1083258)

      No, it's not. January 6th is when Congress starts counting votes. Only starts, mind you.

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      "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.