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Twitter permanently suspends Trump's account:
US President Donald Trump has been permanently suspended from Twitter "due to the risk of further incitement of violence", the company says.Twitter said the decision was made "after close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them".Mr Trump had earlier been locked out of his account for 12 hours.Twitter then said that it would ban Mr Trump "permanently" if he breached the platform's rules again.Reacting to the permanent ban, Trump 2020 campaign adviser Jason Miller tweeted: "Disgusting... if you don't think they're coming for you next, you're wrong."It comes after Mr Trump tweeted several messages on Wednesday, calling the people who stormed the US Capitol "patriots".Hundreds of his supporters entered the Capitol building as the US Congress attempted to certify Joe Biden's victory in the presidential election. The ensuing violence led to the deaths of four civilians and a police officer.The siege took place just hours after Trump addressed supporters and told them: "We will never give up; we will never concede."[...] On Thursday, Facebook said it had suspended Mr Trump "indefinitely". The popular gaming platform Twitch also placed an indefinite ban on the outgoing president's channel, which he has used for rally broadcasts. So has Snapchat.Two online Trump memorabilia stores were closed this week by e-commerce company Shopify. On Friday, Reddit banned its "donaldtrump" forum for the president's supporters.[...] The big question now is, can Trumpism survive without the backing of mainstream media? Or will it simply slip into the shadows of the internet?
US President Donald Trump has been permanently suspended from Twitter "due to the risk of further incitement of violence", the company says.
Twitter said the decision was made "after close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them".
Mr Trump had earlier been locked out of his account for 12 hours.
Twitter then said that it would ban Mr Trump "permanently" if he breached the platform's rules again.
Reacting to the permanent ban, Trump 2020 campaign adviser Jason Miller tweeted: "Disgusting... if you don't think they're coming for you next, you're wrong."
It comes after Mr Trump tweeted several messages on Wednesday, calling the people who stormed the US Capitol "patriots".
Hundreds of his supporters entered the Capitol building as the US Congress attempted to certify Joe Biden's victory in the presidential election. The ensuing violence led to the deaths of four civilians and a police officer.
The siege took place just hours after Trump addressed supporters and told them: "We will never give up; we will never concede."
[...] On Thursday, Facebook said it had suspended Mr Trump "indefinitely". The popular gaming platform Twitch also placed an indefinite ban on the outgoing president's channel, which he has used for rally broadcasts. So has Snapchat.
Two online Trump memorabilia stores were closed this week by e-commerce company Shopify. On Friday, Reddit banned its "donaldtrump" forum for the president's supporters.
[...] The big question now is, can Trumpism survive without the backing of mainstream media? Or will it simply slip into the shadows of the internet?
(Emphasis retained from original.)
Also at Ars Technica, CNET
Full Twitter explanation at: blog.twitter.com
Pro-Trump Rioters Breached US Capitol; EC Confirms Biden; Trump "Responds"; Dems Win GA [Updates: 2]
Xkcd 1357! Twitter has no obligation to host your freezer peach!!! Never mind that sites like Twitter and Facebook are under pressure from lawmakers, like the WikiLeaks blockade from a decade ago.
So Trump shambles to Parler. He is dumb, so he didn't promote alternative social media sites to his 88 million Twitter followers before the ban. Despite that, Parler sees a surge in popularity. Apple and Google respond by blocking it from their app stores, and Amazon Web Services is about to pull the plug on it too. The only thing Big Tech hates more than regulation is competition.
Now people are finally taking notice of how deep the censorship goes. You need alternatives to every link in the chain, including the payment processors. You might need to resort to using cryptocurrencies, until the government cracks down on that too. RIP.
Is the President obliged to protect businesses from the government or is business obliged to do the President's bidding?
Are their any cryptocurrencies that work?
My understanding is that the way bitcoin was built makes it unusable as a payment processor, but I am not sure if any of the others are useable, I do not think I have any seen any that are popular enough to be accepted anywhere.
bitcoin is not a payment processor, for one thing. if people are too lazy and ignorant to realize they are using international criminals' counterfeit Slave Bucks then they will continue to be further enslaved as time goes on. CryptoCurrency is not accepted everywhere b/c people are too dumb and chicken shit to accept it. You don't need coinbase, or any other gatekeeper to spend or accept cryptocurrency. just two people who aren't dumb-ass slaves. Until btc adds privacy, i would stick to xmr/monero.
Do you have any opinion on zcash?
The lesson should be: "behave or you get thrown out", but instead it's "a big conspiracy to silence our voices!" 🙄
Nearly simultaneous action on multiple platforms to silence voices and eliminate competing platforms does involve a big conspiracy. Alex Jones was the test case. This situation stinks to high heaven and anyone who isn't too busy gaslighting can see that.
Or they all thought he was a dick for a longtime, and couldn't justify booting him until the same event occurred.
There was a wave of bans on multiple platforms, actions against Parler, and more. This is not just about your President.
The capitol protest only caused the social media purge to come a few weeks early. Your team has given everyone a gift by clearly drawing the battle lines. Decentralization will benefit everyone who wants free speech but doesn't want to be spied on by the tech giants.
Big tech purging edgy conservatives was to be expected and is not the real problem. Neither is advertising. The real problem is that if you try to compete with big tech, your ability to operate and handle money becomes targeted. Your hosting, DDOS mitigation, search engine presence, ability to accept payments and donations, and other weak points will all be attacked.
True those kinds of actions are troubling, so we need cases brought to court so we can have anti-discrimination precedent set. Whining about Twitter kicking Trump off is not the way to go, the answer is to make sure anyone can set up their own servers. ISP access and domain registration are the way to go, hosting providers should be able to decide what content they are OK having on their servers. So GoDaddy can kick a website off their hosting, but must still provide registration services for anyone's domain that isn't violating the law.
No, allowing financial institutions to arbitrarily block people from sending their own money to a person or organization is a serious problem. They did this to Wikileaks in 2010, where the US government exerted pressure on MasterCard and other companies behind the scenes to get them to do a financial blockade on Wikileaks. That's what can happen if these companies are allowed to act with impunity; nothing even needs to be made explicitly illegal.
Twitter banning somehow is much less of a concern than this.
You're still operating in a world where businesses have to be willing in order do business with you.
Why fight a battle with big tech over microblogging, just join to the fediverse, where your local admin decides the rules. Other servers might block you if you're being high maintainance and an annoyance to their users, but your platform won't be shut down unless you piss off your admin... in which case you move to a server that's more suitable for you.
Link: https://freespeechextremist.com/ [freespeechextremist.com]Description: A general instance that values users' freedom and censors no viewpoints or opinions or conspiracy theories.
Yes, these people could all set up their own federated social network system, like Diaspora or Mastodon, but the problem is that they're just too stupid to do that. Those kind of networks require more intelligence and determination to get involved in that simply joining Twitter or Facebook. These people can't even understand what "federation" means; if they can't understand what a federated social network is or how it works at a basic level, how are they possibly going to make use of it? These conservatives think they're smart and self-reliant, but they're completely the opposite. If they were really self-reliant, they wouldn't be whining about Twitter "censorship", and would be setting up their own methods of communication that can't be easily blocked or taken down.
Seriously, they're mad now that Parler has been removed from Google Play store. It doesn't take a degree in software engineering to install an Android app from an .apk file. But still, this is FAR too difficult for these mouth-breathing morons.
It's funny: I'm old enough now to remember when computers mostly ran MS-DOS, and regular, lowly administrative office workers had to use the DOS command line to get anything done, because GUIs just weren't that common. But people back then somehow managed to use these machines and get stuff done anyway. But these days, these same people, many of whom seem to be older than me and surely remember those days too, and maybe even had to use DOS themselves, can't do anything with tech unless it's as simple as a few taps on their phone.
Parler is a CIA honeypot.
Did they get money from In-Q-Tel?
and couldn't justify booting him
Why did they need a justification if they had the right to ban him all along?
Umm... yeah that big conspiracy that made social media collude both simultaneously and odoriferously was an attempted insurrection where people DIED. 🙄
Yeah, they shut all that shit down with CHAZ/CHOP.
Peaceful occupation vs. violent insurrection. Methinks you idiots don't understand the concept of personal responsibility. Sure is fun watching domestic terrorists get arrested though.
There was definitely violence and deaths at CHAZ/CHOP. Here we had one officer die, which would be a badge of honor for any antifa. You can decide whether a pig's life is worth more or less than the others. Aside from that, there was some furniture and windows damaged, but the priceless art collection went unscathed.
You are force fed slop until you regurgitate. It's cumming out of all your holes.
Pot calling kettle...yeah!, We're both black!
CHAZ/CHOP [vox.com] was in effect for about three weeks before two people were killed with neither incident having anything to do with the protest. The only accusation that stands against the protesters is that if the police had still been active in the area they might have intervened in time to prevent the deaths.
By contrast there's no doubt at all that it was Trumps rioters who murdered Brian Sicknick [nytimes.com] and trampled Rosanne Boyland [nypost.com] to death.
Bears repeating. Not like that cowardly teen, or the delinquent with a Dodge, these people killed a police officer who was serving the United States. They are rebels, murderers, and scum. The tread on the woman with the "don't tread on me" flag! And killed her! How low can the right go? Bad enough when it was just indefinite detention without charge, or separating children from their parents at the border, or allowing Stephen Miller to attempt to breed, but now this.
It ceased to be a peaceful protest the moment you forced a way through the security cordon. You could have stopped there and nobody could have done anything about it.
Once it was no longer a peaceful process you were responsible collectively for what subsequently occurred.
Once it was no longer a peaceful process you were responsible collectively for what subsequently occurred.
The same game was played with criticism of the Floyd protests. People who legally protested were lumped with the rioters, looters, and arsonists who also came out to play. As we've long ago discovered, you can't have collective responsibility over something you don't collectively control.
Ooooh, khallow might be edging towards self-awareness!
Couple of problems though.
a) BLM protesters were punished by being physically assaulted and arrestedb) Every insurrectionist that breached the barriers is guilty of at least felony trespassing if they did not participate in any of the violencec) Bears repeating, peaceful protesters were punishedd) Collective responsibility != legal repercussions, but you should at least have the courage to denounce these seditious cunts instead of constantly downplaying isur-fucking-rection
d) Collective responsibility != legal repercussions, but you should at least have the courage to denounce these seditious cunts instead of constantly downplaying isur-fucking-rection
Like you have the courage to blow a protest way out of proportion? "seditious"? "isur-fucking-rection"?
Well, no, they could have gassed and rubber bulleted them as soon as authority decided they were no longer peacable, just like they did to BLM.
Peaceful occupation vs. violent insurrection.
Keep in mind who got "peacefully" occupied. When you can't run a business or live in your home because some violent squatters took over the block, it's not peaceful occupation.
Talk to the people who actually lived in the area. It was hardly peaceful, even if you count protection rackets as peaceful.
But they were explicitly calling themselves outside the scope of the US governments. See the big "Now leaving the US" sign. This is indeed sedition. If that's the excuse, apply it evenly. Hahahahaha. Yeah, that'll happen.
Poor idiots, one day you'll grow up.
To bring about real change, we both have to highlight a problem and make people in power uncomfortable.
I just don't know why there aren't uprisings all over the country. Maybe there will be.
If you're a D there was no substance to the allegations. That's what I hate about you Ds- smug arrogance. Everyone who disagrees with you all is an idiot, moron, doesn't deserve to live. About 1/2 of the US population. Maybe more if votes could be counted accurately. You who preach equality, rail against racism- well, unless someone is committing racism against whiteys. Or anyone you deem idiots. Pompous eliteists.
Another reply, yet still no substance. 💩
If you're a D there was no substance to the allegations. That's what I hate about you Ds- smug arrogance. Everyone who disagrees with you all is an idiot, moron, doesn't deserve to live. About 1/2 of the US population.
Not only if you are a D is there no substance to the allegations, Republican judges found no substance to the allegations. And so, yes, you are correct, everyone who disagrees is an idiot, or a moron, and quite possibly both (cf. Runaway1956), and probably does not deserve to live, but the charity of the Liberal half of the nation keeps them going with disability benefits, social security, unemployment benefits, and all the other programs that these idiot morons try to scam. Actually, they do not deserve to live, but we keep them around because, Family means no one gets left behind. No matter how batshit crazy they have become by being sucked into the QAnon world. How crazy have you become, AC? Do you kneed an intervention? Post your particulars, and we can notify your family. And if you have no family, we can either alert the SWAT team, or tell you where to get a real deal on a single use RV. Your choice, let us know.
Maybe more if votes could be counted accurately.
I'm willing to grant that you probably are an idiot. That the election fraud claims were shot down so fast in court strongly indicates that they were baseless. I certainly wouldn't raid the Capitol building for something so flimsy.
This is mostly untrue -- the claims in case after case were largely dismissed on technicalities like standing or laches, often warped beyond their usual application. This means that any evaluation of the evidence was intentionally avoided. I'd suggest the dissents in the WI Supreme Court case to get a better understanding of how seriously the judicial branch abdicated its power.
Shut up, hemocyanin, you traitorous lime-lipped lizard. You object to the highest court in the land, because YOU know better? What an idiot! The WI Supreme court was stuffed with Republican treason clowns under Scott Walker, they have been overruled at every turn by non-insane judges. Now go an shut the fuck up, hemo! And tell your momma I told you so.
Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here.
This sounds like it was decided on merits to me.
This Court has allowed plaintiff the chance to make his case and he has lost on the merits.
This one seems like it was decided after people started claiming that the rejections were not on merits, and the judge stated his opinion specifically in a way to show that this is a false assertion.
I'm not a D or a R. I am not an American.
From the outside looking in, nobody has shown to any courts satisfaction that any vote manipulation took place. Even Trumps lawyers admitted that they had no evidence. I know what the US media are reporting - and it depends on their own political bias. Try reading what the rest of the world are reading - from sources that do not have a D or R bias. Trump lost - but he had convinced himself that such a thing was unlikely, indeed he thought it was impossible. But he pissed off too many of the electorate which galvanized them into action bringing about what Trump did not believe could happen.
Where was the medicare announcement - always a few weeks away from being announced for almost 4 years? Where was the financial support for those who could not work because of the virus? How are the employment figures now compared to when he came into office. How is the national debt looking? How much iron/steel or coal industry has been restarted? How is the swamp looking now? Have there been more or fewer people being found guilty in court because of how they acted in support of a standing President. Why did he need them to act like this? Where are the tax cuts for the working man that he promised?
I'm sure you have answers that satisfy yourself - but from the outside looking in he just hasn't delivered. He has been a world-wide divisive character in the economy, trade, military alliances, nuclear weapon proliferation agreements, pitching US state against state, encouraging racial disharmony, and on, and on, and on.
His only remaining option is to now incite civil unrest, and hope that the impossible happens.
Why is it that when a Republican won, the votes we're fair and square, but when a Democrat won it was stolen?
You people just can't think straight and your bias and low education is showing: Trump lost and Trump is not as stable as he once was (which is not saying much at all). He lost and he has blown all credibility he once might have had.Trump is a loser but unlike Hitler, he doesn't have the balls to kill himself.
Get outside once in a while and look at reality.
THIS. Twitter has been bending over backwards and bending the rules into a pretzel for the last 4 years to avoid banning Trump. Then he went cuckoo for coco puffs and pushed things past the breaking point.
Besides, Twitter's actions are nothing, Congress is talking impeachment and Pence is talking 25th amendment. Several cabinet secretaries have resigned and at least one Republican Senator is re-thinking her party affiliation, so it's fair to say a faction of the GOP is lining up to dis-associate themselves from Trump as well.
Twitter's enforcement of rules has always been arbitrary. Not a surprise since they can ban anybody for any reason as your crowd likes to remind everyone. The reasons they gave for permabanning Trump are bullshit. The real reason is that he is lamer than a lame duck so they have to cave to outside pressure now. I hope their stock price crashes on Monday.
lol, i'm sure the crazy mob are experienced stockbrokers who will go home and sell their twitter shares in protest.
rDT was the fuel for many Twits. Now they have nothing to do but eat each other alive.