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posted by requerdanos on Saturday January 09 2021, @01:05PM   Printer-friendly
from the twitter-and-facebook-and-twitch-and-snapchat-and... dept.

Twitter permanently suspends Trump's account:

US President Donald Trump has been permanently suspended from Twitter "due to the risk of further incitement of violence", the company says.

Twitter said the decision was made "after close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them".

Mr Trump had earlier been locked out of his account for 12 hours.

Twitter then said that it would ban Mr Trump "permanently" if he breached the platform's rules again.

Reacting to the permanent ban, Trump 2020 campaign adviser Jason Miller tweeted: "Disgusting... if you don't think they're coming for you next, you're wrong."

It comes after Mr Trump tweeted several messages on Wednesday, calling the people who stormed the US Capitol "patriots".

Hundreds of his supporters entered the Capitol building as the US Congress attempted to certify Joe Biden's victory in the presidential election. The ensuing violence led to the deaths of four civilians and a police officer.

The siege took place just hours after Trump addressed supporters and told them: "We will never give up; we will never concede."

[...] On Thursday, Facebook said it had suspended Mr Trump "indefinitely". The popular gaming platform Twitch also placed an indefinite ban on the outgoing president's channel, which he has used for rally broadcasts. So has Snapchat.

Two online Trump memorabilia stores were closed this week by e-commerce company Shopify. On Friday, Reddit banned its "donaldtrump" forum for the president's supporters.

[...] The big question now is, can Trumpism survive without the backing of mainstream media? Or will it simply slip into the shadows of the internet?

(Emphasis retained from original.)

Also at Ars Technica, CNET

Full Twitter explanation at: blog.twitter.com

Pro-Trump Rioters Breached US Capitol; EC Confirms Biden; Trump "Responds"; Dems Win GA [Updates: 2]


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  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:44PM (20 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:44PM (#1097496)

    He was being a president of the 21st century. The promise of bringing your message directly to the people was great considering the (traditional) media was trying to shoot him down already as a candidate.

    Do you think he would have even become president if he had not been able to talk directly to the people? The RNC would have anointed iJeb! or Kasich the same way the DNC strongarms their anointed candidates through the process.

    Trump's problem was that he was unsuspecting how the elites were conspiring against him, and failed to act in time. Three years of a healthy economy unmarred by new wars. Then the impeachment distraction while (in PA, and probably other states too) the Republican dominated legislature worked with the Democrats to allow mail-in voting, around November last year. The actual impeachment itself, followed by the politically motivated Covid panic. Here's where I think he grossly failed as a leader.

    Led around by the nose by Cuomo about hospital resources, the media about ventilators and testing. He tried to provide it all, but after being ridiculed in April, instead for standing up for America, he then pretty much stepped away for two months until the riots started and his balls grew back. By the time the elections were approaching his team saw the fraud potential of mail-in votes, but his lawsuits were shot down: "The signatures will be checked, so only valid votes will be counted". Twitter was tightening the noose, but Trump was too chicken to use an Alt-Twitter and/or too oblivious to provide his own backup on the whitehouse.gov domain YEARS ago. Trump, experienced in the backstabbing games like no other, now for the first time in his life is seeing his allies having to plan for life after Jan 20 and abandoning him.

    Best he can do right now is to swing the pardon and declassification pen, move out, and plan for 2024.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by helel on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:43PM (2 children)

    by helel (2949) on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:43PM (#1097546)

    He was being a president of the 21st century. The promise of bringing your message directly to the people was great considering the (traditional) media was trying to shoot him down already as a candidate.
    Do you think he would have even become president if he had not been able to talk directly to the people? The RNC would have anointed iJeb! or Kasich the same way the DNC strongarms their anointed candidates through the process.

    You are completely right, up to here. Trump never could have gotten the nomination without Twitter and even as president it played an important roll in maintaining his support.

    Trump's problem was that he was unsuspecting how the elites were conspiring against him, and failed to act in time.

    And here you go off the rails. If "the elites" really were conspiring against him they would have kicked him off Twitter and Facebook years ago. It's not some secret that Twitter was an absolutely vital component of his grip on power.

    The alternative would be to suggest that "the elites" did try to get him kicked off social media but that the executives at Twitter and Facebook were firmly in his camp and could not be persuaded. But that would mean that the last four years of complaints I've heard about those companies "censoring the right" were honestly mistaken, at best, or outright lies trying to cover up the hard right lean of both platforms!

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    Republican Patriotism [youtube.com]
    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:59PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:59PM (#1097558)

      If "the elites" really were conspiring against him they would have kicked him off Twitter and Facebook years ago. It's not some secret that Twitter was an absolutely vital component of his grip on power.

      This is where you're mistaken. Before the riots, they didn't feel the Overton window covered censoring him yet. When the riots started happening, there were slight feelers of censorship for supposedly inciting the riots further. The push became stronger once he questioned the results of the "most secure election ever". Now in Trump's last days and with the show at the Capitol, the left is portraying Trump and half the country that voted for him as the plotters of a coup attempt. With so few days remaining, nobody's going to put their neck out for no reward and say "Hey, this is (still) our President, we should hear what he has to say!".

      You're wrong if you think Twitter is his lifeline of support. His followers are sitting on discussion sites (that haven't been deplatformed yet) and relaying info from Twitter. They could relay from any other medium he chooses to use.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by helel on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:28PM

        by helel (2949) on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:28PM (#1097578)

        Nobody is portraying all of the 23% of the nation that voted for Trump as treasonous, just Trump himself and those who helped him engage in his coup attempt [businessinsider.com.au]. That said, anyone who still supports Trump is supporting a traitor against the United States.

        As for banning from Twitter four years ago vs now... It's not like they've been shy about banning Trumps critics [foxnews.com]*. Maybe it's some kind of 4D chess to help him so much it hurts him but Occam's Razor would suggest that it's more likely they were just strait up helping him.

        * Twitter claims they banned the accounts for using bot's to boost their follower count but Trump does the same thing [msn.com]...

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        Republican Patriotism [youtube.com]
  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:23PM (14 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:23PM (#1097574) Homepage Journal

    Yes, you seem to understand how things worked.

    Most of my post just says that slower, considered, deliberate posting would have achieved his goals better. It seems that Trump just posted whatever was on his mind - shooting from the hip, if you please.

    If the man had conferred with even one or two trusted people, and considered his posts for a few hours, or a day even, he could have had more impact. More impact, and at the same time, avoided some of the traps that made him look stupid. Face it - Trump isn't the smartest of all presidents. He really needed to consider his words more carefully than he did. One stupid slip-up is more than enough for your enemies. Several stupid slipups are more than enough for non-fan non-enemies. Enough slips can begin alienating friends and allies. Careful consideration helps to eliminate those stupid slips.

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    “If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.” ― George S. Patton on Ukraine
    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by aristarchus on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:03PM (11 children)

      by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:03PM (#1097629) Journal

      Runaway! If possible, you are becoming more stupid!

      If the man had conferred with even one or two trusted people, and considered his posts for a few hours, or a day even, he could have had more impact. More impact, and at the same time, avoided some of the traps that made him look stupid.

      Trump hired "the best people, the smartest people", so what he did on Twitter was the best, and some people are saying the best ever, tweeting ever done! So it was not the traps that made him look stupid, it was the stupid that made him look stupid.

      Impeach Trump, Again! And Runaway, you need to ask for forgiveness. Such stupidity cannot be unintentional, can it?

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      #Freearistarchus, again!!!!!1!!
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @11:02PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @11:02PM (#1097678)

        It is not. He is a Russian troll that rides a very fine line between inciting chaos and remaining sane enough that he can radicalize more people. His style is very similar to Trump's, unhinged lunacy with just enough plausible deniability, otherwise he'd be written off just like Ethanol-Fueled and his username wouldn't have enough value.

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:03AM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:03AM (#1097728) Journal

          Runaway I don't think is any sort of foreign asset. He really is this insane and evil. He's putting way too much effort across way too much time for this to be anything but a personal obsession of his. My take is that he's a bitter old mediocrity who thinks the world owes him everything on a silver platter and is determined to burn it all down since it won't give him what he wanted.

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          I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:09AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:09AM (#1097730)

          Call everyone a Russian troll is always a good comeback when you have nothing...
          I've never seen so much name calling! Keep it up; it works! /s

          I wonder: Do the "cyber core" in various countries have AI that answers forum post. I bet you can train your AI very easy with all the partisan forums around to use as data.

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:27AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:27AM (#1097738)

            Call everyone a Russian troll is always a good comeback when you have nothing...
            I've never seen so much name calling! Keep it up; it works!

            Works especially well when they are a Russian operative! But you have to think, who would have an interest in fomenting an insurrection by the less intelligent sectors of America? I mean, this is not something a genius like Runaway could come up with all by him self. And he doesn't even realize he is committing treason by working for the Russians, some thing he shares with Flynn, Manafort, Stone, Bannon, and a curiously large proportion of the Trump "administration".

            So, not name calling, just reasonable identification. Just arrest him first, and if he has nothing to hide, and really is too stupid to realize what he has done, he can confess and ask for forgiveness, as aristarchus keeps suggesting.

        • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:07AM (1 child)

          by Grishnakh (2831) on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:07AM (#1097785)

          I'm sure Putin is gleefully cackling about all the stuff Trump has managed to muck up in this country, but I'm sorry, the "Russian troll" thing just doesn't make sense. Sure, it seems like he's acting like one, but I don't think it's because Russia actually put him up to it. What advantage would this give to Trump? Is he going to move there after he leaves office and live in luxury, after being paid extremely handsomely by Putin? Really, what's in it for Trump? Because that's the *only* thing that ever matters to Trump.

          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @05:29AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @05:29AM (#1098133)

            Sure, it seems like he's acting like one, but I don't think it's because Russia actually put him up to it.

            Put him up to it? No, not quite. On the other hand, my best guess is that Trump is up to his eye teeth in debt to Russian oligarchs. It seems to me that would go a long way to explain a lot about his extreme deference to Putin.

            Is he going to move there after he leaves office and live in luxury, after being paid extremely handsomely by Putin?

            For my part, I will not be at all surprised if Trump makes a sudden dash for Moscow just after Biden is sworn in as President. Remember, you saw it here first!

      • (Score: 2, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Sunday January 10 2021, @12:53AM (4 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday January 10 2021, @12:53AM (#1097720) Homepage Journal

        No, dude, YOU need to ask forgiveness.

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        “If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking.” ― George S. Patton on Ukraine
        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by aristarchus on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:20AM (3 children)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:20AM (#1097734) Journal

          Again, Runaway, recent events seem too fast for you, or you are too slow for them. I did not commit treason against my country, you did. We already have one Arkansas man under arrest. Don't be the next, Runaway! Confess! Confess! The Power of Christ Compels you! Confess, Runaway, before it is too late. Sic semper tryannis, you know.

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          #Freearistarchus, again!!!!!1!!
          • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Sunday January 10 2021, @10:40AM (2 children)

            by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday January 10 2021, @10:40AM (#1097837) Journal

            I am seeing aristarchus getting modded down for factually correct posts. Does this mesn we should ban him further? I mean, if he is saying true stuff that hurts the feefees of our nazi soylentils, should he not be banned? At least shadow-banned, to save the feelings of our extremely light-skinned and racist soylentils? Or are we just going to let some Ancient Greek Philosopher point out how stupid they are? Huh? I mean, they are idiots, but do we need aristarchus to keep pointing it out in such hurtful ways?

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            #Freearistarchus, again!!!!!1!!
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:01PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:01PM (#1097867)

              Nah, it means you're trolling too much. When you have the upper hand you give people a hug, you don't corner them.

            • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @05:53AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @05:53AM (#1098140)

              Sorry, Bubba, it's your personality more than anything. Also the scarcity of "facts" in your posts. As has often been pointed out, when you resort to name calling, it means you have lost, and you have nothing.

              Also, you still have that same bit of brisket gristle stuck between your teeth from LAST weekend.

    • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:31PM

      by krishnoid (1156) on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:31PM (#1097645)

      I wondered in the first year if Twitter shouldn't have escrowed [sic] his tweets, called the White House press secretary, and asked: "Hey, he just tweeted this, and ... uh ... [rustle, rustle, 'hey, um, say this', rustle rustle] 'We offer no opinion on its content.' Do you want to approve this post, have us find a way for you to approve them for release on a tweet-by-tweet basis, or just give us the goahead to pass through all his posts from here on as-is?"

      "We can wait a couple days for your response -- I think there will be a lot more of these in the future."

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @01:04PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @01:04PM (#1098251)

      Most of my post just says that slower, considered, deliberate posting would have achieved his goals better.

      Like instead of a failed insurrection and failed coup attempt, he could have had the Capitol burned to the ground the night before and then blame Democrats and the "weak RINOs" and have them arrested by the morning? Is this what you would have preferred?

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @08:36AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @08:36AM (#1097830)

    When it comes to voting you want each vote to have a chain of custody from the actual voter to whoever is counting the votes. This chain of custody needs to be unbroken until the results are finalized (ie: election guards and publicly accessible/broadcasted cameras should be present the whole time. Those cameras should be recording, the footage should be downloadable).

    One of the issues with mail in ballots is that they break this chain of custody. I don't know if a vote originated from a voter or from a printer mass printing random votes.

    Voters can fill out their ballots at home. However they should individually drop their votes off at polling stations, present their photo IDs to election guards in front of publicly accessible video cameras, have their photos taken and publicly cataloged with their identifying information, and be crossed off the list of eligible voters before dropping off their ballot. I want to know who voted.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @11:53PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @11:53PM (#1098018)

      I want to know who voted.

      You can already find that out. It's public information. It's just that we do it in a way that preserves anonymity, and that's the part you don't like.