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Twitter permanently suspends Trump's account:
US President Donald Trump has been permanently suspended from Twitter "due to the risk of further incitement of violence", the company says.
Twitter said the decision was made "after close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them".
Mr Trump had earlier been locked out of his account for 12 hours.
Twitter then said that it would ban Mr Trump "permanently" if he breached the platform's rules again.
Reacting to the permanent ban, Trump 2020 campaign adviser Jason Miller tweeted: "Disgusting... if you don't think they're coming for you next, you're wrong."
It comes after Mr Trump tweeted several messages on Wednesday, calling the people who stormed the US Capitol "patriots".
Hundreds of his supporters entered the Capitol building as the US Congress attempted to certify Joe Biden's victory in the presidential election. The ensuing violence led to the deaths of four civilians and a police officer.
The siege took place just hours after Trump addressed supporters and told them: "We will never give up; we will never concede."
[...] On Thursday, Facebook said it had suspended Mr Trump "indefinitely". The popular gaming platform Twitch also placed an indefinite ban on the outgoing president's channel, which he has used for rally broadcasts. So has Snapchat.
Two online Trump memorabilia stores were closed this week by e-commerce company Shopify. On Friday, Reddit banned its "donaldtrump" forum for the president's supporters.
[...] The big question now is, can Trumpism survive without the backing of mainstream media? Or will it simply slip into the shadows of the internet?
(Emphasis retained from original.)
Also at Ars Technica, CNET
Full Twitter explanation at: blog.twitter.com
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @02:58PM (20 children)
You make great points, until this:
Paring a political platform down to one issue is essentially a strawman argument with some false dilemma tossed in.
Most people would (obviously) never vote for what Hitler, Mussolini, Hirohito, Idi Amin, Gaddafi, Hussein, etc., became. It's not a matter that anyone likes Trump, or anyone else for that matter. For sure I'd rather hang out with 100 Bidens than 1 Trump. It's whether that person gets in and does some needed butt kicking.
But the liberals (politicians, news media, social media, Hollywood / TV) made it personal and very strongly influenced the masses of sheep. Remember Trump got the 2nd most votes in history.
Voting would be better if we didn't allow so close an election. It should be obvious that the difference in the vote counts is in statistical noise. There were enough proven irregularities, errors, and illegal votes that the whole country should vote again. And all states need to be forced to abide by uniform voting rules and procedures, ratified by the people. COVID restrictions, distancing, etc., caused havoc in tabulation inspection.
Trump did some of the most for world peace of any president ever. We'll have to watch and see what happens now.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:06PM (17 children)
What one issue? It is all the issues of both parties. Both just implement crony-corporatism.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:12PM (2 children)
World peace - didn't you read to the end of the post?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:21PM (1 child)
How is world peace contrary to fascism?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:27PM
I think that's the point - only through world peace can we finally enjoy fascism.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:20PM (13 children)
I might be starting to understand some of you who post like this. I think you made a series of logic-leaps. At best, you skipped over several steps, but I see your point.
I was being specific in that previous post stated we (US) intentionally proactively vote for "fascism" (an extremely misused term). As if we had a choice. As if anyone who tries to run for congress or any govt. position, has any choice, due to need for advertising budget, but also all of the well-oiled machinery of political campaigning.
You and I are in 100% agreement, we just illustrate it differently. You're looking at (writing about) the underlying problem, and I'm trying to solve the problem. I see many insightful and well-intentioned people, like you, posting very pessimistic defeatist writings. I consider myself an optimistic realist. Fixes, improvements, progress, are born out of optimism and hope.
That said, sometimes reality sucks and no amount of optimism will come up with a solution. But we must not give up hope.
We (US) currently (obviously) have a compromise between pure capitalism and socialism. Corporations are the heart pump of the economic machinery, money being the blood. The whole system is a house of cards. Wall street (investment) is too big an influence over the whole system. How to reign them in without damaging them, and the whole economy, is the problem. How a corporation can be worth more than the actual assets is insane. It's basically a huge pyramid scheme. The problem is: if you start to reign it in, you'll hurt the whole investment dynamic and things start to collapse, unemployment rises, stagflation ensues, mayhem.
I'd like to see radical campaign finance reform, but who in congress will vote to reduce their own income? Some, but very few, not enough. We The People are not being represented, which is the more fundamental problem.
Love or hate Trump, he, more than any politician in history, reached out to the people, largely with tweets. I think that's a good thing, and love or hate Trump, Trump aside, I feel strongly that we need more interaction with govt. The Capital storm mob did not loot, burn, and did minimal damage (in spite of news media attempting to sensationalize the whole thing). They wanted Congress to know they want to be heard. The human loss was due to violent cops. It's called escalation. No question the mob was illegal, but so were the Revolutionaries of 1776 (and don't ever forget that).
I love the picture of the guy sitting in Pelosi's chair with his foot up on her desk. He did no damage. He just wanted to "occupy". He wanted to "cancel" the "smoke filled rooms" that is our supposed Congress of the People.
Bottom line: as you alluded to, it doesn't seem to matter who runs or who we vote for- it's all the same crony-capitalism, just with one side connecting with different corporations than the other side.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @11:20PM (11 children)
Get fucked fascist. You can dress it up all you want, but anyone not sucked into that rightwing echo chamber bullshit can see Trump is a fascist who cares nothing for the people. This spin you are attempting is disgusting, and if liberals had stormed the capitol you would be calling for blood.\
Your hypocrisy and lies will keep you company in hell.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:26AM (10 children)
So let me get this straight.
The grandparent poster puts forth a reasoned, if terse argument, exploring the landscape of the idea. At the time of writing, +1 interesting, but notably not unquestioningly toeing the line of the left (despite shade thrown at "crony capitalism" and the like).
The parent poster responds with invective and question-begging and strawman plus bald assertion topped with a garnish of moralising. At the time of writing, +2 insightful.
We really, really need a better moderation system in which we can actually view based on the collective opinions of moderators, as modified by our assessment of those moderators. Whoever moderated the parent as insightful just isn't adequately describing the content of the post. This is a crystal clear example of brigade-driven, rather than thoughtful moderation outcomes.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:59AM (8 children)
You're slowly grasping the culture of the Ds. It seems the most obvious thing, here, TV, newspeople, social media, politicians, Hollywood, etc., is their smug arrogance. They're great with language loaded with modifiers, but little substance. Ask them to quote or link to one of Trumps "lies" and you just get the extreme insults, downmods, flaming trolls. Look at the extreme violent rioting they've done for 9 months, and their "news" media won't show it. YouTube is full of people's videos of the rioting, looting, arson, theft, assault and battery, but liberal media: crickets. Crazy nut mob storms Congress, wanting to be heard, did not loot, burn, or destroy the huge number of things they could have, and it's being called "insurrection" by the mouthy left. Crazy Alzheimer's Pelosi said of the mob: "chose their Whiteness over Democracy." Nope, no racism on the left at all. Carry on, business as usual.
We definitely need a 3rd party that can win.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @07:02AM (2 children)
Oh, dear, the smug arrogance of people who know better. Someone once pointed out that University professors tended to be Democrats. Clear evidence of bias, no? And I replied, "amazing, isn't it, that the people with the most education and knowledge, are not Republicans?" Yes, amazing. So let me point out to you, you stupid, uneducated right-wing idiot person, that it is not arrogance. It is actual superiour knowledge. I can understand how, since you do not understand that what they understand, that it appears to be arrogance, when you assert that your stupidity is just as good as their actual understanding and knowledge, that you think it is arrogance, but it is not. You are actually stupid and an moron, much like the often posted Runaway1956. He is as dumb as a post, and so stupid he cannot even recognize when he is proven wrong. So please, my dear inerudite AC, defer to your superiours, for they are not faking. They actually do know more than you do. And you only embarrass yourself with taking umbrage at how stupid you are. May I suggest some classes at your local Community College?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @07:11AM (1 child)
Perhaps you could go to community college to improve on your "superiour" spelling.
At today's university, if you don't have tenure, you must pretend to be a Democrat to not get canceled. Of course, universities /run/ on obtaining taxpayer's money from the government, having to obtain grant money to keep the research going could do a lot to steer someone to the Democrat side.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @02:11AM
Hint: They are not pretending! If you be Republican at an institution of Higher Learning, you just make it clear you shouldn't be there, because of the Learning and shit. If you start spouting QAnon insanity, you are likely to have start taking advantage of the employer's mental health benefits. Republicans self-select themselves out of Universities, and tend be found in departments of sociopathy, like Business, or Law. Or Trump University.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @07:53AM
Leaving newspeople out of this, since they just exist to publish their employers' viewpoint, the power constellation is about to majorly change. Both parties have seriously lost internal cohesion for at least 10 years now. The Democrats have done better because they were propped up by tech and media oligarchs, but the Great Satan Trump is stepping off the stage in a few days.
What's going to happen once the figure of hate is gone?
(Score: 2) by crafoo on Monday January 11 2021, @12:03AM (1 child)
If you had any experience with cults, their "culture" would be far less surprising and make far more sense.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @01:15AM
Gaslight
Obstruct
Project
(Score: 2) by helel on Monday January 11 2021, @02:22AM (1 child)
People call you stupid because you sound stupid. It's mean and they shouldn't do it but that's the truth.
I mean lets break down your post here:
Trumps lies are many and not hard to find. [washingtonpost.com] When Trump claims his policies are responsible for one million of the twenty six thousand hydrocarbon jobs in Pennsylvania or that he paid "millions and millions" in taxes when the number is actually $750 anyone who's even remotely numerate can tell he's lying. If you can't tell that those are lies then you are either lying yourself, are very stupid, or are very poorly educated. It may be mean but it sounds like the most common response is that people assume you are an honest individual.
The "liberal media" covered the some [oregonlive.com] of the violence [opb.org] that occurred [twincities.com] at BLM protests [usatoday.com], if that's what you're referring to. I know for a fact that they didn't report on all the violence [usatoday.com] but there was so much of it it was impossible to cover everything. What I don't understand is how you think nine months of Republican violence is an indictment of "the Ds."
When a mob attacks the elected government with bombs [nypost.com], guns [politizoom.com], and plans [heavy.com] to kill their political opponents arguing about whether it "insurrection," "sedition," or "treason" is, again, either a sign that you are bing disingenuous or have difficulty understating what any of those words mean.
If Pelosi really does have Alzheimers that sounds like something people should know about. Do you have a link to a source for that claim?
As for racism, I can't speak for other but I despise it from both the left and the right. I absolutely agree that the attempted coup [businessinsider.com.au] wasn't about "whiteness." It was about power, pure and simple, and this kind of casual racism or revers-racism or whatever you want to call it may play well with her base but doesn't help the situation at all.
That said, Pelosi may be a little racist but she is not a literal nazi [dailydot.com], like (some of) the Trump supporters that were in the capitol building that day. Two wrongs don't make a right but given the choice between a nazi and an SJW I'll take the SJW every time.
The only way we get this is if we change our voting system. First past the post voting leader to a two party equilibrium. I favor instant runoff voting / ranked choice voting because it's easy to understand and implement as a drop-in replacement for first past the post and might have a slim chance of being attainable. Make sure to support any candidate or ballot measure that offers this change.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @07:42AM
No, what we really need is a viable third party alternative. The last best hope of this was Gary Johnson in 2016, but he rapidly imploded under the first bit of scrutiny. If you want me to vote for your alternative you better make sure that alternative really is substantially better that the Republicans and Democrats.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:41PM
The problem is the gpp attempted to white wash the protesters as just some upset people trying to fight corruption. The bullshit is palapable and I will continue to call out fascists when they attempt to get support through such sleazy tactics.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Sunday January 10 2021, @04:28AM
How a corporation can be worth more than the actual assets is insane.
No, it's not. The "value" of a corporation that you're probably talking about is the "market cap", which is simply the sum value of all the shares of its stock, at the current selling price. Yes, this is usually more than the total assets, but for good reason: the assets are never worth that much for any company. The value of a company is what it *can do*, not what stuff it owns.
Let's take a big tech company, like Intel: an alien ship flies over Earth tomorrow, and teleports all the employees and executives of Intel to their ship, and warps away to another star system for some inexplicable reason. The current shareholders now own shares in a company that has no people, only physical, intellectual, and monetary assets. What exactly are they going to do with it all? Can they get back to work making Core i7 and Xeon chips? No, because they have no idea how to: all that stuff is institutional knowledge that resided in the employees. Some of it is written down, but it's probably all encrypted and password-protected, and the people with the passwords are all in the Regulus star system now. Now there's multibillion-dollar fabs sitting idle because no one knows how to run them, no one knows how to get the supply chain going, etc. Intel could have made billions of dollars in revenue this year if the aliens never showed up, but now it won't make any, and it'll take many years to get the company back to normal operation, if ever.
In short, you're forgetting the value of the humans and the organization they're in, their institutional knowledge and experience, all things which you simply cannot place a price tag on. The share price is merely a reflection of what investors think the company is worth, based on its future earnings. This changes over time, sometimes rapidly (and is usually called a "correction" when it falls rapidly, and is said to have been "overvalued" when this happens).
Anyway, no the system is not a house of cards. Publicly-traded corporations have existed for centuries, and the entire nature of investments is that they're only worth what you can sell them to other people for, which is the same as anything really. And considering that investing money in index funds for the DJI or S&P500 have always, over many decades, shown consistent growth, shows it's not some kind of house of cards. Even with the Great Depression in the 1930s, the stock market did come back after a few years. It always does, because our need for the things companies make never disappears.
The Capital storm mob did not loot, burn, and did minimal damage
They murdered one police officer, and sent dozens more to the hospital. They stole materials, including laptops with classified information. Somehow they even somehow knew where some of these items were, even though they were in unmarked rooms that even people who work in the building have trouble finding.
The human loss was due to violent cops. It's called escalation.
Bullshit. The crowd was violent, and armed. It was the cops' job to keep them out of the building, and they failed for various reasons. Luckily, they shot and killed one of the terrorists, but they should have shot many, many more.
Try this sometime: get together an armed, angry, violent mob, and try storming a US Air Force base that holds nuclear weapons. See if the guards let you in, or mow you down with machine guns.
When you attack the seat of government, with the intent of capturing and murdering government officials, then you can expect to be shot and killed, and you deserve it. Every person who stormed that building should be rounded up and tried for sedition, insurrection, and felony murder.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:49PM
Remember Trump finished the election in second place and Biden finished next to last.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by bzipitidoo on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:54PM
I have started to wonder just how susceptible anyone is to delusional thinking. We all do it to some extent. Even the smartest, most rational people of us all can be tricked and gulled, and do it to themselves. Just responding to the parent may be me suffering under the delusion that the rational seeming tone of the parent post is reflective of the assumption that the AC poster is rational.
But there are some real whoppers in there. Trump has done the most of any president ever for world peace?? WTF? Tell me, was assassinating the Iranian general Soleimani a step towards peace? Has America pulled out of Afghanistan? No? How about Iraq? Still there too, eh? The American military is still performing drone strikes in Yemen. I have not heard that Trump actually received a Nobel Peace Prize, despite pretenses to the contrary. The Doomsday Clock has jumped a lot closer to midnight. And how's that NATO Alliance holding up?
And you want a do-over of the national election, because you just don't believe or accept that it was fair and accurate enough to correctly reflect the will of the people. Or so you no doubt claim. That has never happened, and it's not going to happen this time either. That is not a reasonable request, not even close. We can check the votes, count them again, and we have. But to hold a "redo" election is asking far too much.