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posted by requerdanos on Saturday January 09 2021, @01:05PM   Printer-friendly
from the twitter-and-facebook-and-twitch-and-snapchat-and... dept.

Twitter permanently suspends Trump's account:

US President Donald Trump has been permanently suspended from Twitter "due to the risk of further incitement of violence", the company says.

Twitter said the decision was made "after close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them".

Mr Trump had earlier been locked out of his account for 12 hours.

Twitter then said that it would ban Mr Trump "permanently" if he breached the platform's rules again.

Reacting to the permanent ban, Trump 2020 campaign adviser Jason Miller tweeted: "Disgusting... if you don't think they're coming for you next, you're wrong."

It comes after Mr Trump tweeted several messages on Wednesday, calling the people who stormed the US Capitol "patriots".

Hundreds of his supporters entered the Capitol building as the US Congress attempted to certify Joe Biden's victory in the presidential election. The ensuing violence led to the deaths of four civilians and a police officer.

The siege took place just hours after Trump addressed supporters and told them: "We will never give up; we will never concede."

[...] On Thursday, Facebook said it had suspended Mr Trump "indefinitely". The popular gaming platform Twitch also placed an indefinite ban on the outgoing president's channel, which he has used for rally broadcasts. So has Snapchat.

Two online Trump memorabilia stores were closed this week by e-commerce company Shopify. On Friday, Reddit banned its "donaldtrump" forum for the president's supporters.

[...] The big question now is, can Trumpism survive without the backing of mainstream media? Or will it simply slip into the shadows of the internet?

(Emphasis retained from original.)

Also at Ars Technica, CNET

Full Twitter explanation at: blog.twitter.com

Pro-Trump Rioters Breached US Capitol; EC Confirms Biden; Trump "Responds"; Dems Win GA [Updates: 2]


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @02:57PM (44 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @02:57PM (#1097417)

    This is what Trump actually tweeted:

    "Twitter employees have coordinated with the Democrats and the Radical Left in removing my accounts from their platform to silence me - and YOU, the 75,000,000 great patriots who voted for me."

    So 75m people stormed the Capitol?

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:05PM (23 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:05PM (#1097422)

    So 75m people stormed the Capitol?

    The useful idiots stormed the Capitol.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot [wikipedia.org]

    They all believe the lies that Trump has been repeating for years and years. Started with the "media lies to you" and "media is the enemy of the people"

    https://medium.com/stories-ive-been-meaning-to-tell-you/the-big-lie-a490c3b441f8 [medium.com]

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:12PM (8 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:12PM (#1097430)

      “Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.

      In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.”
      – Michael Crichton (1942-2008)

      Anyone ever involved in something interesting knows the news is incapable of accurate reporting. Most know the news is a bunch of bs by the time they are 25 or so.

      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:21PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:21PM (#1097439)

        That's why I only read Parler.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:26PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:26PM (#1097442)

          I don't know if you're trying to be sarcastic, but in an earlier age informing yourself from multiple sources used to be a good thing.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:37PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:37PM (#1097454)

            That's why I only read tea leaves. Moar sauce.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @08:52PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @08:52PM (#1097625)

            These days reading multiple sources will just move you up higher on the list of those to be liquidated. You will not think, comrade, you will obey.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:10PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:10PM (#1097482)

          I only believe what I read in the parlor. The fake news is reserved for the kitchen.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:54PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:54PM (#1097499)

        I read a novel thirty years ago that mentioned "Everything in the paper was bullshit, except for the sports page".

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @05:13PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @05:13PM (#1097506)

          > "Everything in the paper was bullshit, except for the sports page".

          I was in the sports pages once, as a kid. They got every detail wrong.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:02PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:02PM (#1097561)

            I think you mean the Comics.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:28PM (12 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:28PM (#1097446)

      Just look back to Germany the BROWN COATS/SHIRTS. They are the believing mob of Hilter. He used them to push for more police and tighter control of military. Then helped "wipe" them out, since he got what he wanted, Control.

      As anither side note: RED NECKS is from union movements in the coal mines of Kentucky. A red neck wore a red bandanna to show support for the unions. Also gave the police and Pinkerton targets to shot at with machine guns.

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:44PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:44PM (#1097461)

        Actually Hitler effectively defunded all the local police then a national police filled the vacuum.

        "Heinrich Himmler, head of the SS, was named Chief of German Police in the Interior Ministry on 17 June 1936 after Hitler announced a decree which was to "unify the control of police duties in the Reich".[5] Traditionally, law enforcement in Germany had been a state and local matter. In this role, Himmler was nominally subordinate to Interior Minister Wilhelm Frick. However, the decree effectively subordinated the police to the SS. Himmler gained authority as all of Germany's uniformed law enforcement agencies were amalgamated into the new Ordnungspolizei, whose main office became populated by officers of the SS.[5]

        The police were divided into the Ordnungspolizei (Orpo or regular police) and the Sicherheitspolizei (SiPo or security police), which had been established in June 1936.[5] The Orpo assumed duties of regular uniformed law enforcement while the SiPo consisted of the secret state police (Geheime Staatspolizei or Gestapo) and criminal investigation police (Kriminalpolizei or Kripo). The Kriminalpolizei was a corps of professional detectives involved in fighting crime and the task of the Gestapo was combating espionage and political dissent. On 27 September 1939, the SS security service, the Sicherheitsdienst (SD) and the SiPo were folded into the Reich Main Security Office (Reichssicherheitshauptamt or RSHA). The RSHA symbolised the close connection between the SS (a party organisation) and the police (a state organisation).[6][7]

        In broad terms, Himmler pursued the amalgamation of SS and police into a form of "State Protection Corps" (Staatsschutzkorps), and used the expanded reach the police powers gave him to persecute ideological opponents and "undesirables" of the Nazi regime such as Jews, freemasons, the churches, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, and other groups defined as "asocial". The Nazi conception of criminality was racial and biological, holding that criminal traits were hereditary, and had to be exterminated to purify German blood. As a result, even ordinary criminals were consigned to concentration camps to remove them from the German racial community (Volksgemeinschaft) and ultimately exterminate them.[8]

        The Order Police played a central role in carrying out the Holocaust. By "both career professionals and reservists, in both battalion formations and precinct service" (Einzeldienst) through providing men for the tasks involved.[9]"
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnungspolizei [wikipedia.org]

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:07PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:07PM (#1097480)

          Troll?

          I traveled to Berlin last year to research the 3. Reich for a class. I was surprised to find out that the Gestapo was for a long time only local to Prussia. Though Prussia for historical reasons covered a huge part of Germany. Think of a US made up of TX, NY, DC, DE, RI, VT, NH and MA by geographic size. I think the Gestapo arose from the Political Police which originally was aimed against treasonous conspiracies against the state of Prussia, but of course under the Nazis, they served the dictatorship.

          Yes, around 1936 things changed and the Gestapo appeared to be active nationwide. Kinda late, since one of the central points of organization of the Nazi state was to streamline a direct chain of command from the lowest party member to the (Supreme) Leader Hitler.

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:13PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:13PM (#1097565)

          "and used the expanded reach the police powers gave him to persecute ideological opponents and "undesirables" of the Nazi regime such as Jews, freemasons, the churches, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, and other groups defined as "asocial". The Nazi conception of criminality was racial and biological, holding that criminal traits were hereditary, and had to be exterminated to purify German blood."

          sounds pretty good to me.

          "As a result, even ordinary criminals were consigned to concentration camps to remove them from the German racial community (Volksgemeinschaft) and ultimately exterminate them.[8]"

          where's your #8? The Final sSolution was to kick the Jews out, not kill them, despite all the Jew lies to the contrary for decades. I imagine it was the same for non-jew undesirables.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @01:12PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @01:12PM (#1098253)

          Actually Hitler effectively defunded all the local police then a national police filled the vacuum.

          This is utter nonsense and false.

          https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/18/fact-check-adolf-hitler-did-not-defund-police-nazi-germany/3206096001/ [usatoday.com]

          The claim that Nazi Germany defunded local police departments is false, historians say. In fact, Hitler’s regime relied on a brutally carceral system with significantly expanded police power in the early 1930s through the end of World War II in 1945.

          ...

          Nazi Germany fused police with state security forces
          “It’s simply not true that Hitler defunded the police. He ran on a law and order program, and it was a very harsh criminal justice policy the Nazis pursued,” said David Blackbourn, a scholar of modern German history and a professor at Vanderbilt University in Nashville.
          The rise of the Nazi Party included a dramatic increase in both the powers of the police and the disruption of the court system used to hold them accountable, historians say.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:23PM (7 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:23PM (#1097490) Journal

        You might want to look again at the brown shirts again. A leading brown shirt was pretty openly challenging Hitler's control of the brown shirts. Right or wrong Hitler had to either establish his authority, or relinquish control of the brown shirts. A couple dozen brown shirts were executed, and the organization was absorbed into other Hitler controlled organizations.

        You are generally correct, but the majority of brown shirts were "rehabilitated", and found new life in the Nazi machine.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:43PM (6 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @06:43PM (#1097547)

          I'm honestly curious: don't you get tired of having to explain history to this bunch of morons, over and over and over again?

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:16PM (5 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:16PM (#1097569) Journal

            We can hope that one or two or maybe even three individuals learns something when asked to review history. The rest will ignore any such invitation.

            • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:34PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:34PM (#1097581)

              Well, I learned something today, so thank you.

            • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:57PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:57PM (#1097595)

              These days you can get banned from reddit for explaining newton, carnot, einstein, etc didnt use any statistics.

              Meanwhile the people calculating p values all day have failed to figure out any laws or cure anything like cancer, alzhiemers, or heart disease despite about 100,000,000x more funding.

              No inconvenient facts allowed. A great stagnation is deepening..

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @11:23PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @11:23PM (#1097689)

                Damn you're stupid, and people modding you up for that clearly insane bullshit?

                Just shows how many morons hang around SN.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:49AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:49AM (#1097751)

                  What to expect of anyone who claims to have learned things from Runaway?

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @11:31PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @11:31PM (#1097698)

              We learned that you asshole conservatives truly are Nazis and all your whinging was bullshit distraction from that fact that you're traitorous fascist scum. Thankfully the entire country now clearly sees what you are.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:34PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:34PM (#1097450)
  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:49PM (19 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:49PM (#1097465)

    75,000,000 great patriots who voted for me...

    ... Yes there were those, however, there were 81,000,000 great patriots who voted for Biden - any suggestion otherwise (on either side) is mere demonization of one's opposition and false on its face.

    How can we believe that POTUS is a victim and has been censored and silenced, when he retains the authority to command that his messages be disseminated on any of thousands of ".gov" web-pages.

    The fact that some people (and corporations) can choose not to participate in or abet his [darth] seditious enterprises must be seen as evidence of freedom continuing to exist in the USA.

    • (Score: -1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:56PM (15 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @03:56PM (#1097474)

      Yes there were those, however, there were 81,000,000 great patriots who voted for Biden - any suggestion otherwise (on either side) is mere demonization of one's opposition and false on its face.

      A fair election doesn't prevent observers from observing, throws observers of the opposition party out of the building, pastes up the windows with papers to prevent them from even looking in, claims that the building needs to be evacuated, then pulls out suitcases of ballots from under the table and continues counting. If the election was intended to be fair, it would not have needed "tricks" like that to carry it out. If they had not pulled those "tricks", the losing side wouldn't have so many people believing it was rigged.

      • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:31PM (1 child)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 09 2021, @04:31PM (#1097491) Journal

        The victors write the history though. In years to come, those of us who witnessed all the shenanigans via video feeds will be branded insane. The events we witnessed on election day never happened.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:37PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @09:37PM (#1097647)

          You are insane if you believed any of those "video feeds", Runaway. They were not "eye-witnessing", they were incitement, and you are an idiot for falling for such lying manipulation. You should shut up, Runaway.

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @05:15PM (12 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @05:15PM (#1097507)

        And plead not with us
        for those who are self-deceivers;
        for God loveth not him who is deceitful, criminal

        ---
        Qur'an 4:107 (Rodwelll translation)

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @08:17PM (11 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @08:17PM (#1097606)

          It is hardly flamebait to say that a just God would lack affection for those who lie to themselves and others with criminal intent - and that those who plead for them do so in vain.

          Or perhaps the possibility that the Qur'an might actually contain some wisdom is just too scary for some.

          And if you are merely annoyed by the use of "God" and "Love", an equivalent truism can be constructed employing Pirsig's "Excellence", and that deceit and criminality are anathematic to it.

          Be fair in your judgement!

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @11:26PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @11:26PM (#1097691)

            Fair has never been a part of Republicanism unless they feel like THEY are the ones being treated unfairly. Pure hypocrisy, expect nothing less.

          • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:14AM (9 children)

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday January 10 2021, @01:14AM (#1097731) Journal

            Just because a book has something good in it doesn't mean the whole thing is true. Yahweh, the Abrahamic God-figure, is insane and evil, and this despite the fact that the Torah, Bible, and Qur'an have a few good bits in them.

            That's like saying you should eat a plate of shit because there's a few corn kernels in it and corn is nutritious.

            --
            I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @03:15AM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @03:15AM (#1097776)

              Where there is a famine of truth, I am content to pick out the kernels thereof from any source I can find, wash them in the cleansing waters of solemn reflection, spice them with the salt of eloquence and pepper of brevity, and roast them in the flames they draw when posted on S/N, that perchance none of us might die for lack of food for thought.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @05:13AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @05:13AM (#1097805)

                OK, Ari!

            • (Score: 2) by nostyle on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:47PM (6 children)

              by nostyle (11497) on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:47PM (#1097888) Journal

              ...is insane...

              No one of us has a flawless comprehension of the worlds created by God. This does not make Him wrong.

              That said, we would be less than human if we did not weigh the evidence we encounter, and attempt to sort things out. People will succeed to greater and lesser degrees.

              ---
              Actually, I've seen "That Girl" [wikipedia.org]... And don't you be talkin' 'bout my mama!

              • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 10 2021, @11:41PM (5 children)

                by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday January 10 2021, @11:41PM (#1098006) Journal

                I was wondering when you were going to break cover and stop pretending...

                Anyway, your problem with arguments along the lines of "none of us knows enough/is smart enough to judge this wrong" is that it's self-destructive: none of us knows enough/is smart enough to judge this *right* either, in that case. Global, nuclear epistemological skepticism cuts both ways :)

                However, we *do* know that in order to *be* God, a being must have certain properties. Yahweh does not have them, and the existence of anything BUT Yahweh is, as shown above, conclusive proof that this specific God-figure does not exist (and neither does any other God in a similar theistic mode). This is why my concept of God is not like Yahweh, e.g., it's not a single, conscious, decision-making being.

                ...and it's especially not one that obviously evolved from other ANE deities and has a perpetual pissing match with one of its own creations that actually turns out to have the moral high ground over it 9_9

                --
                I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @03:46AM (4 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @03:46AM (#1098110)

                  No, no,... it is a _heart_ thing.

                  ---
                  "Wouldst thou that the mind should not entrap thee?"

                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday January 12 2021, @10:10AM (3 children)

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday January 12 2021, @10:10AM (#1098806) Journal

                    "It's a heart thing" means "Fuck you, I believe because I believe because I believe." By all means, chase your epistemological tail in an endless regress, but don't pretend that gets you anywhere. Fideism is not an argument and revelation is of necessity private.

                    --
                    I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @03:58PM (2 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @03:58PM (#1098896)

                      In my experience, there are things that the heart knows that the mind cannot fathom.

                      ---
                      What can a man do?

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @10:39PM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @10:39PM (#1099127)

                        Election fraud and Trump's awesomeness?

                      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday January 13 2021, @01:50AM

                        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday January 13 2021, @01:50AM (#1099249) Journal

                        Sorry, but emotions aren't knowledge. Leaving aside that the heart does not "know" things period, what you're saying here reduces down to "I feel very strongly about things that I can't prove, and refuse to do my epistemic duty because muh feeeeeeeeeeelz." Again, fideism and revelation are of necessity private, and cannot convince anyone outside the self.

                        In case you're wondering, I'm not an atheist. For your purposes, I'm something much worse: someone who believes there is a God, *and has done the logical, philosophical, textual, and apologetic research to know it's not Yahweh.*

                        --
                        I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:19PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:19PM (#1097570)

      "81,000,000 great patriots who voted for Biden"

      Only tv watching idiots (so most people) believe that ridiculous 81 million number. Anyone who actually voted for Biden is a special kind of stupid.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:43PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 09 2021, @07:43PM (#1097588)

        But since all challenges were summarily shot down, there's no way we'll ever know whether or not the Democrats really were better in mobilizing voters.

        Fact is, hundreds of processes and people were activated and the result is that Biden has been officially recognized by congress as the president to assume office on Jan 20. It worked out for Biden, if the stars had aligned differently, it may have been Trump. I don't like the result, but the process ended constitutionally and it wasn't one man, state or court that forced it.

        Civil war talk is crazy, imagine what you would lose! Our Republic has lived through similar crises before. What I wish for the future is that the politicians get scared into fostering active conciliation.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:10PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 10 2021, @02:10PM (#1097872)

          Wrong, the challenges were not summarily shut down. The judges listened to the lawyers and gave them a chance to present evidence. Some of the cases were thrown out after the lawyers did not present enough evidence to even have a trial.

          All that said, the DNC didn't do much to motivate voters except in Veorgia, Stacy Abrams worked her butt off over there. What mostly drove voters was not Biden, Harris, or anyone else. It was Trump the Fascist. The US voted against fascism, and as we are now seeing the fascists are responding as they do with violence and lies.