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Against the backdrop of record-setting numbers of COVID-19 deaths and infections in the US and around the world, there was turmoil in Washington, DC. As court cases surrounding the presidential election were filed and dismissed, a close race in Georgia was coming down to the wire and with it control of the US Senate. While the US Congress was completing the Electoral College tally and certification, a mob formed outside — and eventually broke into — the US Capitol. This resulted in a 4-hour lock-down. Eventually, the intrusion was repelled, and the Electoral College count was completed: Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was confirmed as the 46th president of the United States of America.
Conspiracy theories have flourished. Propaganda has streamed forth across multiple platforms. Tempers have flared.
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Insomuch as the activities in the US Capitol were far from the US' most shining moments, neither were things all unicorns and rainbows on SoylentNews. Tempers flared. People were attacked and called names. I even accidentally deleted a story and the 17 comments attached to it! [NB: Problem addressed: the delete button no longer appears by default for our editors.]
IRC (Internet Relay Chat):
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This got me to thinking. What are our aspirations today? What are our guiding principles? I will list some of my guiding principles, and I encourage the community to share what guides them in the comments.
- "Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem—neat, plausible, and wrong." --H. L. Mencken (cite)
- "People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do." -- Isaac Asimov (cite)
- "If you speak when angry, you'll make the best speech you'll ever regret." -- Groucho Marx (cite)
- "Say what you mean, mean what you say, but don't say it mean."
- "Don't get furious, get curious" -- Miley Cyrus (cite)
- "Humiliation is when someone points out my shortcomings. Humility is when I confess them myself."
- "I need not participate in every fight I am invited to."
- The most difficult behaviors to observe in another person are the ones I dislike in my own.
- "You have not converted a man because you have silenced him." -- John, Lord Morley (cite)
How about you? What sayings guide your aspirations?
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by martyb on Monday January 11 2021, @03:43PM (48 children)
Actions have consequences. Act like a jerk and expect to be treated that way. There's no guarantee that behaving politely will get the same kind of response. But, acting like a jerk will certainly invite a response in kind.
So, Don't be a jerk.
Wit is intellect, dancing.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @03:54PM (31 children)
This sounds like the BS calls for Healing and Compromise that always come when a Democrat President gets elected. Yeah, after the fox just ate 1/2 the chickens.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @04:26PM (24 children)
What's the alternative? Four years of #resist (oh, I suppose not if they all get pushed off Twitter) and right wingers doing everything in their power to interrupt, interfere with and generally trip up the Biden presidency? What if Biden manages to get another gun ban going, and large parts of the country simply follow the example of Virginia, and declare themselves second amendment sanctuary zones and cease, and interrupt all firearms investigations? What if they do similar things to COVID responses? What if they start aggressively pursuing immigrants? What if they start enforcing their own freedom-of-speech standards (most states have them) and actually suing universities for biased treatment of professors and students? You might say that this is overblown and theoretical, but remember that the house tilted less democrat despite a friendly electoral map, and that's the part of the legislature that actually tracks with sub-state divisions.
Trust me, healing and compromise is a way better way to go. I'm not expecting it, but it would be the better way.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @04:44PM (3 children)
"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." -- Thomas Paine
Everyone celebrating the purges of today... your turn will come.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Monday January 11 2021, @07:32PM (2 children)
If you don't want to be purged, it's pretty simple: don't take part in a violent uprising that results in multiple deaths, including one police officer that was viciously beaten to death with a fire extinguisher.
I have zero sympathy.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @07:43PM
Yeah I am 100% ok with purging violent seditious assholes from private platforms. Plenty of rightwing nutjobs still on every platform, color me unconcerned.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @08:54PM
ohh nooo, not a pig! how will i sleep tonight? dumb bitch.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday January 11 2021, @07:25PM (17 children)
but remember that the house tilted less democrat despite a friendly electoral map, and that's the part of the legislature that actually tracks with sub-state divisions.
Yes and no. Yes, House races are not whole-state, but rather "Congressional districts", however those districts have been gerrymandered to a ridiculous degree over a years by the GOP which gives them an advantage in the House (though not quite enough to actually get control lately). Notice that, by comparison, the GOP just lost control of the Senate, and one big change was that Georgia shifted to blue.
But even so, it is true that there are major portions of states (such as Virginia which you cited) where the politics of the rural areas are very different from the urban areas, so it would be very challenging to enforce some laws (like gun bans) without any local support. They'd probably have to resort to sending State Police around to all the rural counties to enforce things, and then if they encounter serious resistance the governor would have to mobilize the National Guard. I can see this kind of thing happening because of the growing polarization.
I'm starting to think one answer to help alleviate the tension, and turn the country towards the center (away from the far-right GOP) would be to force Florida (and probably South Carolina too) to leave the union. They'd probably be happy to get independence, at least until their economy craters, and this would remove a bunch of GOP voters and two states that don't contribute much to the economy. Millions of Trump fans would probably even relocate to their new Trumpistan nation, further moving politics to a sane place here in the remaining 48 (+DC) states. Then we need to Build The Wall to keep FloridaMan from escaping. In a way, I'm slightly annoyed that GA had to turn blue, because I'd like the new country to be contiguous, and it'd be nice to rid ourselves of Alabama and Misssissippi too (probably the two biggest drains on the economy), but Georgia ruins that idea.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @08:29PM (5 children)
Go look at the gerrymandered districts in Maryland. Tell me how exactly the republicans are at fault?
5 out of 8 districts are insane:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland%27s_congressional_districts [wikipedia.org]
Whoever is not guilty should throw the first stone. Pull the plank from your own eye before commenting on the sliver in your neighbor's eye. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Get your own shit in order before you go blaming others. Etc.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by pTamok on Monday January 11 2021, @09:09PM (1 child)
It would be nice if someone could come up with an understandable rules-based/automated fair system that generated the boundaries. The problem would be getting bipartisan agreement to use it and stick with it.
One simple rule would be to favour solutions that minimised the total perimeter of the boundaries within a state. Similarly, while minimising total perimeter, boundaries should, as far as possible, run along the lines of local maxima of altitude (watersheds/drainage divides), and of course, each enclosed area should contain the same number of electors.
As it is, in England* there is the independent boundary commission [independent.gov.uk] which determines constituency boundaries. Perhaps the USA could steal the intellectual property and use that.
There's a boundary commission for each nation of the UK [wikipedia.org], making four in total.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @12:35PM
Gerrymandering is not a nationwide problem, it's much worse in certain states than others, because each state uses different rules.
https://ballotpedia.org/State-by-state_redistricting_procedures [ballotpedia.org] shows 35/50 states have districts set by the state legislature. I expect we'll see more move to independent commissions in the coming years.
(Score: 5, Informative) by FatPhil on Tuesday January 12 2021, @10:28AM
Everyone with a brain and who can understand counting knows that across the whole USA, gerrymandering massively favours the Republicans. The existance of one blue state with ludicrous gerrymanding in no way invalidates that claim.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by SpockLogic on Tuesday January 12 2021, @01:08PM (1 child)
Gerrymandering is wrong whichever side does it. Period.
Politicians must not be allowed to pick their voters, they cannot be trusted, voters must pick their politicians.
Overreacting is one thing, sticking your head up your ass hoping the problem goes away is another - edIII
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @01:57PM
What if voters pick republicans?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @09:21PM (8 children)
Let California secede, repatriate conservatives to other states, then see how california does on its own.
I keep hearing conservatives in California, and even non-conservatives from other states bashing on us for all our nutty environmental protections, labor laws, hollywood bullshit, etc. Why don't we find out whether California needs the Union more, or if the Union needs California. If any other states or regions want to redistrict or secede, let them, but California is the one state that could be largely self-sufficient given, say, 10 years to decouple infrastructure from adjoining states. This would of course require four major shifts in state policy: nationalizing PG&E and refurbishing *ALL* power and gas infrastructure, installing state-wide battery backed load balancing systems, going pro-nuclear for baseline power (renewables may handle most in time, but batteries AND nuke would be required to really 'go green' in the short term.), and lastly: major coast-wide desalinization efforts. This last one would require pumping water inland to help replenish the water table, reduce excessive well demand, and slowly reduce drought and desertification state-wide, even if the weather patterns no longer support it. If California can do all that, it will be much stronger as an independent entity than it ever has been as a US state, with the added bonus of not being detracted on and sabotaged from both without and within.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday January 11 2021, @10:52PM (2 children)
If California decided to leave (and let's assume for argument the rest of the country was amenable a voluntary dissolution, which is probably a bad assumption given the way things went the last time some states tried to secede, and the precedent that set), I suspect several adjoining states would want to leave with them, particularly OR and WA. NV and AZ might want to go too.
The reality is that CA has either the 6th or 8th largest economy (forget which) *in the world*, all by itself. It's unlikely it would do poorly on its own, just because of that. Almost all the tech companies are headquartered there, and tech is the one thing really keeping the American economy afloat these days, and which actually brings in lots of money from exports. The other thing bringing in lots of money from exports is Hollywood, which is also in CA. Anyway, there's significant tech presence in OR and WA too, and their policies aren't that different from CA's, so I could see the 3 of them all leaving together. Some adjoining states might want to join them if they figure out they'd be better off hitching their wagon to CA's economy rather than the moribund economy that the rest of the nation would have without the west-coast states.
The southeast and central states are really the ones dragging things down, both culturally and economically. They do produce a lot of agricultural products, but so do Mexico and Brazil, and their economies are nothing to be proud of either.
However, due to high costs in CA (esp. labor costs in the Bay Area), a lot of tech stuff has spread around the country more, so a separation like this could be very problematic for tech companies that now find themselves to be international companies. Really big ones like the FAANG companies are already used to having offices in different countries so it might not be a big deal for them, but for smaller ones it might. Austin, DC, some cities in FL, SLC, PHX, Boston, and others (and of course Portland and Seattle but let's assume they join CA) have significant tech presence in them now. Tossing out AL and MS wouldn't affect that part of the economy at all, however, since they have zero presence in those states; FL would affect it, but probably not so much.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @04:36AM (1 child)
I propose the US keeps it's Pacific ports in the NW, and sets up a trail of tears for all the Californians who came up here and wrecked the place.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @04:38AM
Said too little -- this presupposes CA becoming its own country. There would be no objection -- there would be widespread support likely -- in the states the CA infection has spread too.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday January 12 2021, @12:49PM (4 children)
"If". That would require leadership that can find its ass, using both hands. This sounds like the Brexit argument again - with a government even less competent than the UK.
(Score: 2) by Nobuddy on Tuesday January 12 2021, @02:47PM (3 children)
Seeing as they are one of the only states with a balanced budget and paying down their debt- they will manage. Especially since they get back $1 for every $2 they pay in to the fed. Without the drain on their economy that the red states represent, all that extra cash will just make it work even better.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @03:17PM
That used to be true but isn't really true anymore.
California no longer pays more to Washington than it gets back, study finds
https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/California-no-longer-pays-more-to-Washington-than-15243861.php [sfchronicle.com]
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday January 12 2021, @06:57PM (1 child)
I doubt the first order spending is that one sided. And keep in mind the hidden second order effects. Most IT, for example, bought with federal funds anywhere in the US, will involve California firms. A lot of other states' money gets redirected to a few states because that's where certain basic services concentrate.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday January 13 2021, @02:59AM
California is not the worst (Illinois has that title), but they are pretty weak financially. And we're seeing some business drain now as businesses move to more business-friendly places like Texas.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Monday January 11 2021, @09:54PM (1 child)
OTOH, a lot of the shift was that people just couldn't stand Trump. Well, I have sympathy for that, but I'm a small government person who's to the left of the Democratic party, so you can guess how well represented I feel.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @03:27PM
I'm actually a small government person except for when it comes to issues of environmental protection.
In fact, given just how big the U.S. is, I would be in favor of each state almost being its own country and the U.S. federal government being ran more like the EU. Each state can have its own FDA, FCC, etc... if they want and they can enter into agreements. Europe may be considered too large for the E.U. to micromanage every country just like the U.S. might be considered too large for the federal government to micromanage every state.
The only exception I would make is that of environmental protection. One country should not get to externalize the cost of their internal prosperity onto the wider environment.
A possible second exception might be pandemics? It's possible that the policy decisions of one country could affect surrounding countries.
I can't really think of other ones. There are airplane flight path rules but that can be negotiated with the larger governing body (ie: like with the E.U.). Over the air broadcasting might be another one where one state can't be allowed to blast airwaves into an adjacent state and jam their ability to use the airwaves near the borders? Plus GPS and some other minor things as well shouldn't be interfered with maybe.
But with the exception of some possible minor edge cases I do believe in a weak federal government and stronger state governments. I don't believe we should have such a strong FDA across the entire U.S., I think individual states should have much more leeway in terms of regulating drugs.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @03:23AM (1 child)
These are people who believe that the world is literally 6,000 years old, that women are their husband's property, and their holy book commands them to enslave Africans and murder Jews, LGBT people, any other "non-white" people. COVID is a hoax, the election was stolen, on and on and on.
What do you propose? A 3/5ths compromise?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday January 12 2021, @10:47PM
Ignore them. They're not that numerous.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Tork on Monday January 11 2021, @05:53PM (5 children)
So? Your 'team' behaved badly. You can cry about censorship. You can bleat endlessly about how unfair and unequal it is. You can even bang your drums over being oppressed and rail on how unfair it all is. The thing is, though... people died. Guess what? That ALSO is a right being violated and that gets to be assessed when you idiots start hurting people.
Your best options are to own your actions or disavow the behaviour tainting the reputation of your 'team'.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by EEMac on Monday January 11 2021, @11:17PM (3 children)
I agree, it's a tragedy that the officer died. I don't enough information to judge about the protester who was shot.
But there have been lots of other protest-related police deaths [thefederalist.com] over the last year. The media quite pointedly ignored them. Now they cry crocodile tears over this one. We're not buying it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @12:04AM
(Score: 3, Interesting) by helel on Tuesday January 12 2021, @04:05AM (1 child)
Yes, we're well aware the boogaloo bois [theintercept.com] have had a busy year.
So, let's look at the list you link, shall we. Up first we have Officer Shay Mikalonis shot in the back. Who shot him? Why it's one Edgar Samaniego [ktnv.com] who was threatening protesters when his gun accidentally went off twice and hit Officer Mikalonis. Looks like this violence was committed by someone threatening and/or attacking the protesters.
Then there's the Las Vegas courthouse shooting [wikipedia.org]. This one isn't aiming at BLM protesters, at least, but then it's not related to BLM in any way. It's just an angry old man who's social security benefits were reduced.
We got four cops being fired at, one hit. I didn't find articles concerning a suspect but these kinds of ambushes are consistent with boogaloo tactics [airforcetimes.com].
David Dorn was killed by Stephan Cannon [wikipedia.org] in a pawnshop robbery. I couldn't find anything linking Cannon to the BLM protests, but at this point in the list why would we? We've got police shot by anti-protesters, police shot by lone wolf attackers, and then police injured in a completely ordinary hit-and-run [nypost.com].
And the list just keeps going. Checking all these takes time but I think it's safe to assume they'd put their best material up top so "shot by man trying to shoot protesters" is probably the best link they have between the unfortunate attacks on these police and the BLM protests.
"The Media" a) has reported on these cases, hence why I was able to find them and b) they're mostly just not that interesting. Tragedies like these happen every day. It's sad but true. The reason officer Brian Sicknick gets so much more attention is that he was killed in an attempted coup. That's a hell of a lot more exciting that one of the six hundred thousand [reifflawfirm.com] hit and runs every year, even if it was a cop that got hit.
(Score: 2) by EEMac on Tuesday January 12 2021, @08:21PM
It's certainly possible that deaths at BLM protests are the fault of boogaloo boys. It's also possible that deaths at the capitol uprising are the fault of antifa.
We could quibble more, but I don't think we'll get much further. That said, you did good research Have an upvote.
(Score: 2) by darkfeline on Tuesday January 12 2021, @07:43PM
> You can cry about censorship.
That sounds like a slippery slope down CCP lane. I used to be proud that the US is a place where I can call Trump an idiot, but we're quickly heading towards saying good things about the soon-to-be-ex president getting censored which is a hop and a step away from splashing ink on dear Biden^]^HXi's poster getting you disappeared.
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(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @04:00PM (5 children)
If you are in favor of justice you will upvote this comment.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @06:02PM (3 children)
None here favors justice?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @07:20AM
Nope, none. We just like shitposting about it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 12 2021, @12:50PM (1 child)
The very concept of justice is a poison that has rotted public consciousness for millennia.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 13 2021, @02:39AM
Repeal the Code of Hammurabi!
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Monday January 11 2021, @10:02PM
Justice, unfortunately, is quite difficult to define, unless you accept a legalistic definition which will always favor the rich and powerful.
So, yes, there should be consequences. But what consequences? Currently everyone who has been identified as being there has been placed on a no-fly list without notice or ability to appeal ("I was actually visiting my aunt in Fresno, California at the time"). Is that justice? No, but it is practical. There have been talks of organizing follow on assaults. Definitely some innocents will be wrongly "convicted". But what *should* be done? How do you protect the other innocents that will be at the places they're preparing to assault? If the assaults are called off because they couldn't assemble people, you'll never be able to prove that the actions were correct. If they aren't you didn't act assertively enough. But maybe they wouldn't have happened anyway? You'll never know, and you injured innocent parties.
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by ikanreed on Monday January 11 2021, @04:43PM (2 children)
Unfortunately, as much as that sentiment helps us justify treating assholes like the assholes they are, it's not really true.
A lot of people are assholes and get away with it because power dynamics are natively kinda fucky. Donald Trump was an entitled, self-assured, dimwitted asshole his whole damn life, and he got made president because some people wanted an asshole to be an asshole to the people they blamed their problems on. It's not just politics, you see families turn on abuse victims because they outed someone who abused them, executives get promoted because the way they sabotaged others made themselves look good.
What goes around only really comes around if you get behind and push.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Monday January 11 2021, @10:05PM (1 child)
What better course of action than "Don't be a jerk" would you propose for a general recommendation though?
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @10:35PM
"Don't allow jerks to get away with it."
(Score: 2, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Monday January 11 2021, @04:57PM (2 children)
Is it being a "jerk" when you cave in the face of a police officer for protecting our Congress?
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Monday January 11 2021, @05:38PM
The FBI has opened a murder probe into the death of Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick, who was hit in the head with a fire extinguisher. [denverpost.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @10:42PM
No, it's being brave.
#fuck12
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Thexalon on Monday January 11 2021, @05:16PM (1 child)
So I've thought about what might be termed the Wheaton-Crowley Rule: "Don't be a dick shall be the whole of the law."
Trouble is, who decides what counts as being a dick? It seems easy, but it really isn't.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Socrastotle on Monday January 11 2021, @05:51PM
This becomes an even bigger problem when we claim offenses with no tangible damage - hurt feelings, feeling unsafe, or whatever else. When we accept intangible offenses as offenses then there will never be peace, because people will never always agree on things. And that lack of agreement is invariably going to result in somebody claiming intangible damage.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @05:25PM (1 child)
That's right, months of riots and fuckery by the Left have brought us this. Expect more inkind acts!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 11 2021, @06:27PM
Sounds like someone doesn't understand the concept of personal responsibility.
FBI might want to check your location on 1-6-21