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posted by mrpg on Friday May 28 2021, @11:26AM   Printer-friendly
from the what-could-go-wrong dept.

Ohio lawmakers want to abolish vaccine requirements:

[...] Lawmakers are working on legislation to call off the lottery immediately. They're also trying to head off any plans for "vaccine passports." And last month, they introduced a sweeping antivaccination bill that would essentially demolish public health and vaccination requirements in the state—and not just requirements for COVID-19 vaccines, requirements for any vaccine.

[...] State Rep. Beth Liston (D-Dublin) blasted the bill, telling The Columbus Dispatch, "Not only would it prevent schools, businesses and communities from putting safety measures in pace related to COVID, it will impact the health of our children... This bill applies to all vaccines—polio, measles, meningitis, etc. If it becomes law we will see worsening measles outbreaks, meningitis in the dorms, and children once again suffering from polio."

[...] "At its core, this proposal would destroy our current public health framework that prevents outbreaks of potentially lethal diseases, threatens the stability of our economy as it recovers from a devastating pandemic and jeopardizes the way we live, learn, work and celebrate life," the letter said.

[...] "HB 248 would put all Ohioans at risk while increasing the cost of health care for families, individuals and businesses," spokesperson Dan Williamson said. "This proposal applies to all immunizations, including childhood vaccines. If passed, this legislation could reverse decades of immunity from life-threatening, but vaccine-preventable diseases such as measles, mumps, hepatitis, meningitis and tuberculosis."

Also: Ohio GOP lawmakers, citing 'need to protect' from vaccines, seek to expand exemptions, nix COVID passports


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  • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @04:27PM (9 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @04:27PM (#1139709)

    Christ, hearing the cherries being picked under the guise of faux scientological rigor is honestly worse than listening to religious liberty arguments.

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  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @06:45PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @06:45PM (#1139793)

    So even those who got COVID and recovered must take the vaccine? You don't even make sense; you are a vaccine fetishist because taking it is a sign of allegiance to your political tribe, not a matter of immunology.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @07:27PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @07:27PM (#1139807)
      We have logs of every administration of vaccines, but not not of people who have caught and kicked COVID. (you could be contributing to solving that problem instead of crossing your arms and shaking your head.)

      you are a vaccine fetishist because taking it is a sign of allegiance to your political tribe, not a matter of immunology.

      Coming up with an inconsistent myriad of reasons to be anti-vax or anti-mask is about being part of a poltical tribe. WTF'ing over moronic self destructive behavior... isn't.

      • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @08:24PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @08:24PM (#1139820)

        So you are going to demand proof-of-vaccination from everyone, forcing them to get a vaccine whether they need it or not. Sorry, but NO.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @08:35PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @08:35PM (#1139824)

          For certain activities and hopefully for a limited time, yes. Or is the concept of a pandemic beyond your ability to understand? If the disease sticks around then expect it to become another vaccination requirement for public schools. Once enough people are vaccinated and the case load becomes insignificant I expect vaccination requirements will go back to pre-COVID levels.

        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @08:46PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @08:46PM (#1139829)

          So you are going to demand proof-of-vaccination from everyone, forcing them to get a vaccine whether they need it or not.

          You see... if you had been thinking about this undipshittedly you'd be making suggestions like: "What about getting waivers for the vaccine?" or asking questions like: "What can we do about these practical considerations that won't survive a one-size fits all solution?", and we'd be talking about how to minimize pandemic-related-causalities. But, no, we're gonna shake our heads cos we don't like who's coming up with the life-saving ideas.

          Here's something for you to ponder: Every single news personality you're parroting your hard-nosed opinion from on has already been vaccinated. They have also not once mentioned vaccine requirements for attending public schools... which you've benefitted from.

          Lots of 'adults' are going to be siting at the kids table this Thanksgiving.

          • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @09:42PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @09:42PM (#1139851)

            I try to keep those "adults" away from the children, thank you very much. I don't need another round of them being told the Muslims are going to bomb their school or the "socialist demonrats" are going to steal their teddy bears.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by ElizabethGreene on Friday May 28 2021, @10:44PM (2 children)

    by ElizabethGreene (6748) Subscriber Badge on Friday May 28 2021, @10:44PM (#1139870) Journal

    Please be specific about the cherries I picked. I cited more credible sources than you.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29 2021, @04:15AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29 2021, @04:15AM (#1139945)

      Next time you should read them then. "The quality, quantity, and durability of protective immunity elicited by natural infection with SARS-CoV-2 are poor relative to the much higher levels of virus-neutralising antibodies and T cells induced by the vaccines currently being administered globally." And the conclusion sentence is "These data are all confirmation, if it were needed, that for SARS-CoV-2 the hope of protective immunity through natural infections might not be within our reach, and a global vaccination programme with high efficacy vaccines is the enduring solution."

      • (Score: 2) by ElizabethGreene on Sunday May 30 2021, @03:14AM

        by ElizabethGreene (6748) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 30 2021, @03:14AM (#1140168) Journal

        I did read them, and I read the underlying reference as well. You're right, I did pick a cherry.

        The authors assert that the level of immunity is correlated with circulating antibody levels, that those levels vary widely post infection, and that the levels decline as a function of time. Those are completely reasonable assertions.

        The cherry I picked is in the prior paragraph:

        they determined from that, in general, past infection confers 80·5% protection against reinfection, which decreases to 47·1% in those aged 65 years and older. Hansen and colleagues acknowledge the many limitations of their analysis being restricted to only PCR data, including the possibility that people might change their behaviour after a positive PCR test. This confounder is addressed by noting that the findings are similar in a sensitivity analysis of nurses, doctors, social workers, and health-care assistants who were tested regularly due to their profession.

        If you go to the underlying citation on the efficacy testing of the vaccine candidate (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31604-4/fulltext) Figure 4 graphs A and B the circulating antibody levels for PCR confirmed COVID patients is higher than 14 days post one-shot and lower but not dramatically so after the booster. That leaves a quandary. Did that study (n=5) randomly pick people only with very high levels of antibodies?