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posted by mrpg on Friday May 28 2021, @11:26AM   Printer-friendly
from the what-could-go-wrong dept.

Ohio lawmakers want to abolish vaccine requirements:

[...] Lawmakers are working on legislation to call off the lottery immediately. They're also trying to head off any plans for "vaccine passports." And last month, they introduced a sweeping antivaccination bill that would essentially demolish public health and vaccination requirements in the state—and not just requirements for COVID-19 vaccines, requirements for any vaccine.

[...] State Rep. Beth Liston (D-Dublin) blasted the bill, telling The Columbus Dispatch, "Not only would it prevent schools, businesses and communities from putting safety measures in pace related to COVID, it will impact the health of our children... This bill applies to all vaccines—polio, measles, meningitis, etc. If it becomes law we will see worsening measles outbreaks, meningitis in the dorms, and children once again suffering from polio."

[...] "At its core, this proposal would destroy our current public health framework that prevents outbreaks of potentially lethal diseases, threatens the stability of our economy as it recovers from a devastating pandemic and jeopardizes the way we live, learn, work and celebrate life," the letter said.

[...] "HB 248 would put all Ohioans at risk while increasing the cost of health care for families, individuals and businesses," spokesperson Dan Williamson said. "This proposal applies to all immunizations, including childhood vaccines. If passed, this legislation could reverse decades of immunity from life-threatening, but vaccine-preventable diseases such as measles, mumps, hepatitis, meningitis and tuberculosis."

Also: Ohio GOP lawmakers, citing 'need to protect' from vaccines, seek to expand exemptions, nix COVID passports


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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by epitaxial on Friday May 28 2021, @12:48PM (39 children)

    by epitaxial (3165) on Friday May 28 2021, @12:48PM (#1139608)

    Covid was no big deal for Trump. He only needed oxygen, a medivac helicopter, and still experimental drugs to recover. Then we learn he was vaccinated back in January but never opened his big mouth about that. What a a complete moron he was. He could have sold Trump masks and other PPE to his followers and made bank.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by HammeredGlass on Friday May 28 2021, @02:27PM (15 children)

    by HammeredGlass (12241) on Friday May 28 2021, @02:27PM (#1139632)

    There were more anti-vaxxers on the hippie dippie left before the MSM used covid as another tool of getting rid of the orange man. Their weaponization of this drove a lot of stupid reactionary stuff on the right to where we are now.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @04:44PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @04:44PM (#1139727)

      There were more anti-vaxxers on the hippie dippie left before the MSM used covid as another tool of getting rid of the orange man.

      When in doubt, make shit up. Remember when it was liberals disguised as conservatives attempting an insurrection?

    • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Friday May 28 2021, @06:10PM

      by Thexalon (636) on Friday May 28 2021, @06:10PM (#1139774)

      The anti-vaxxers have always been a combination of the anti-intellectual hippie-dippy lefties who think that everything that can be fixed with whatever new age spiritual nonsense that's out there, and the anti-intellectual hardline righties who think that vaccines are a secret Communist plot to control our minds and bodies or something.

      The people that fed the hard-line opposition to the MMR vaccine also fed the hard-line opposition to the Covid-19 vaccine.

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    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday May 28 2021, @10:15PM (2 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday May 28 2021, @10:15PM (#1139861) Journal

      If your defense is that some hippie dumbasses ALSO believe your nonsense then you're fighting a losing battle!

      • (Score: 1) by HammeredGlass on Saturday May 29 2021, @02:02PM (1 child)

        by HammeredGlass (12241) on Saturday May 29 2021, @02:02PM (#1140024)

        I didn't say that I believe it. The left used to hold the hippies aloft as the ideal liberal. Don't blame society for still following that around.

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29 2021, @08:03PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29 2021, @08:03PM (#1140093)

          Sk you're 49 and angry at the world. DEFENS!

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday May 30 2021, @12:06PM (9 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 30 2021, @12:06PM (#1140231) Journal

      before the MSM used covid as another tool of getting rid of the orange man.

      Trump started that stupidity. And given that Trump lost the election against Biden, it looks to me like maybe a considerable portion of the public agreed.

      • (Score: 0, Troll) by HammeredGlass on Sunday May 30 2021, @06:01PM (8 children)

        by HammeredGlass (12241) on Sunday May 30 2021, @06:01PM (#1140297)

        You're a fucktard. diaf

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday May 30 2021, @10:02PM (7 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 30 2021, @10:02PM (#1140338) Journal
          You seriously going to defend Trump? We didn't have to turn mask wearing into an ideological litmus test. Trump did that. We didn't have to come up with excuses for why we weren't trying to squelch covid. Trump did that. We didn't have to buy up the world's supply of some dubious and inconsequential medication (Remdesivir). Trump did that anyway. There's a year of pointless theater that wouldn't have happened, if Trump hadn't done that. And I bet a competent handling of covid would have left Trump in charge today.
          • (Score: 0, Troll) by HammeredGlass on Monday May 31 2021, @02:32PM (6 children)

            by HammeredGlass (12241) on Monday May 31 2021, @02:32PM (#1140495)

            You're an nonredeemable fucktard. diaf

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 01 2021, @01:24AM (5 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 01 2021, @01:24AM (#1140621) Journal
              What's worth redeeming here? Trump has a record [soylentnews.org]. DannyB put together a collection so you don't have to stew in ignorance and I don't have to search hard for counterexamples. Send him your thanks.

              DannyB's best pick [washingtonpost.com] was the changing narratives as covid spread in the US with Trump admitting in private that covid was worse than he claimed in public. That's an awful lot of lying and wriggling on the hook just there.

              Look, you got conned. Happens all the time.
              • (Score: 0, Troll) by HammeredGlass on Tuesday June 01 2021, @05:40PM (4 children)

                by HammeredGlass (12241) on Tuesday June 01 2021, @05:40PM (#1140798)

                You're a complete fucktard. diaf

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 01 2021, @05:56PM (3 children)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 01 2021, @05:56PM (#1140805) Journal
                  So nothing to say? From here [msn.com]:

                  In a recorded conversation with Woodward on February 7, Trump said the coronavirus was "more deadly than even your strenuous flus" and that people could contract the virus just by breathing in air.

                  For weeks after that conversation, Trump repeatedly told the public that the coronavirus was no worse than the seasonal flu.

                  Meanwhile in public [washingtonpost.com]:

                  February 10: “Looks like by April, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away.”

                  There's a bunch of good stuff in DannyB's collection. But I'm afraid that you'll need a new role model, if you read that.

                  • (Score: 1) by HammeredGlass on Tuesday June 01 2021, @06:06PM (2 children)

                    by HammeredGlass (12241) on Tuesday June 01 2021, @06:06PM (#1140809)

                    You are a colossal fucktard. diaf

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 01 2021, @06:17PM (1 child)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 01 2021, @06:17PM (#1140815)

                      REEEEeeeeeeEEEeeeEEEeeee

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @04:06PM (22 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @04:06PM (#1139690)

    > a complete moron

    a complete hypocrite

    ftfy.

    • (Score: 2) by Tork on Friday May 28 2021, @06:29PM (21 children)

      by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Friday May 28 2021, @06:29PM (#1139785)
      Not sure I agree that you 'fixed it'. Republicans don't care about hypocrisy or they'd behave a whole lot different. For example: Bailing on an investigation into the Capitol Insurrection like we haven't forgotten about the 18 times they investigated Benghazi.
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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29 2021, @12:10AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29 2021, @12:10AM (#1139891)

        Don't forget that the insurrection was supposedly ANTEEFUH and BLM, so they apparently don't want to get to the bottom of their own suspcions! They really don't give a fuck and their voters are goddamn happy to have psychopathic monsters that will piss off liberals. If only they could see how the rest of the world views them, if only for a day.

        • (Score: 2) by Tork on Saturday May 29 2021, @12:57AM

          by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Saturday May 29 2021, @12:57AM (#1139899)
          Heh. The big surprise for me this week was the GOP, the party of 'Law and Order', effectively telling the local PD to fuck off cos there'll be no investigation.
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      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday May 30 2021, @12:09PM (18 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 30 2021, @12:09PM (#1140232) Journal

        For example: Bailing on an investigation into the Capitol Insurrection like we haven't forgotten about the 18 times they investigated Benghazi.

        Show the two are comparable. You might want to start with number of deaths.

        • (Score: 2) by Tork on Sunday May 30 2021, @04:22PM (17 children)

          by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 30 2021, @04:22PM (#1140273)
          I'm not sure exactly how many deaths can be factually credited to the Capitol Insurrection, perhaps a bi-partisan investigation could find the actual number and we could have that conversation. 🤡
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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday May 30 2021, @10:11PM (16 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday May 30 2021, @10:11PM (#1140339) Journal
            One death can be factually credited, a female protestor shot as she attempted to enter a barricaded area. Police already did that investigating of all other deaths associated with that protest/riot.

            Meanwhile we have four US personnel and an unknown number of Libyan attackers killed in the Benghazi attack with a lot of light infantry weapons deployed by both sides (including machine guns and mortars) and several buildings destroyed. Not even close.
            • (Score: 2) by Tork on Monday May 31 2021, @12:00AM (15 children)

              by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 31 2021, @12:00AM (#1140379)
              Heh. If the insurrectionists at the Capitol had been more competent the damage would have been far, far worse than it ended up being. A dead Nancy and Mike would have brought the number dead up to the arbitrary threshold you think is needed for an investigation. Home-grown insurrection deserves a bit more (preferably bipartisan) attention than you're suggesting, especially since one political party tried pulling the "It was you guys in disguise!" bullshit.
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              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday May 31 2021, @12:37AM (14 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 31 2021, @12:37AM (#1140389) Journal

                If the insurrectionists at the Capitol had been more competent the damage would have been far, far worse than it ended up being.

                Or if there had actually been said insurrectionists at the Capitol. There does seem to be a dearth of them.

                A dead Nancy and Mike would have brought the number dead up to the arbitrary threshold you think is needed for an investigation.

                Which didn't happen, let us note.

                • (Score: 2) by Tork on Monday May 31 2021, @03:23AM (13 children)

                  by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 31 2021, @03:23AM (#1140415)

                  Or if there had actually been said insurrectionists at the Capitol.

                  Amply proven yonks ago.

                  Which didn't happen, let us note.

                  incompetence. T'was still attempted.

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                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday May 31 2021, @05:08AM (12 children)

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 31 2021, @05:08AM (#1140439) Journal

                    Or if there had actually been said insurrectionists at the Capitol.

                    Amply proven yonks ago.

                    Here's my best take [soylentnews.org] on that. The money quote:

                    I think the fundamental problem here is that you're working from a really bad premise - GIGO. If there was an intent to kidnap or kill Pence or other politicians, then someone would have brought a lot more firepower to the conflict than baseball bats and pepper spray. As I noted, only one person was caught in the Capitol building with a firearm - which they never used. That's telling.

                    Let us also recall that your argument was so weak that a big part of your arugment was wearing "civil war two" t-shirts was evidence of insurrection.

                    • (Score: 2) by Tork on Monday May 31 2021, @07:27AM (11 children)

                      by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 31 2021, @07:27AM (#1140454)

                      My argument was that they stated their intent. Your counter-argument danced between a change in scope and an .. hehe.. argument I made while satirizing your position. Their ultimate lack of success does not exonerate them, nor does pushing the goalpost into the middle of the smoke.

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                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday May 31 2021, @08:46PM (10 children)

                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 31 2021, @08:46PM (#1140567) Journal

                        My argument was that they stated their intent.

                        I see you already undermined the importance of "stated" with your subsequent comment about satire. A statement isn't enough without understanding all the ways that it can be deliberately distorted, such as by satire and exaggeration, both which I think played a role here in the protest chanting and merchandising.

                        • (Score: 2) by Tork on Monday May 31 2021, @09:32PM (9 children)

                          by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 31 2021, @09:32PM (#1140581)
                          It's worth pointing out that the merchandise needed time to be designed (heh) and produced, this happened before satire and exaggeration could mutate it into something it's not like you're trying to suggest, here. That's one of the reasons why they tried desperately blaming 'BLM in disguise', they know (and regret) how they looked on camera.
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                          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 01 2021, @12:11AM (8 children)

                            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 01 2021, @12:11AM (#1140606) Journal

                            It's worth pointing out that the merchandise needed time to be designed (heh) and produced, this happened before satire and exaggeration could mutate it into something it's not like you're trying to suggest, here.

                            There's always plenty of time for satire and exaggeration. It's not hard to anticipate either.

                            • (Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday June 01 2021, @02:05AM (7 children)

                              by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 01 2021, @02:05AM (#1140635)
                              So there's no reason for them to make choices that risk them being misunderstood. Thanks for the support!
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                              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 01 2021, @02:32AM (6 children)

                                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 01 2021, @02:32AM (#1140636) Journal
                                No reason? Just like there was no reason for you to make satirical posts that could be misunderstood?
                                • (Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday June 01 2021, @06:20AM (5 children)

                                  by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 01 2021, @06:20AM (#1140689)

                                  There plenty of reason to criticize. Even in the eyes of their peers. Voting against the investigation was an act of self defense. 🙄

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                                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 01 2021, @04:28PM (4 children)

                                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 01 2021, @04:28PM (#1140776) Journal

                                    There plenty of reason to criticize. Even in the eyes of their peers.

                                    Of course, there was. Such as the sudden claims (apparently as the riot was ongoing) that Antifa and such were staging the riot.

                                    Voting against the investigation was an act of self defense. 🙄

                                    Such as the previous two House investigations of Trump? Voting against wasting one's time is a justifiable act of self-defense. Trump is a private citizen now. If there really is some criminal act of insurrection, coup, treason, whatever, he won't be protected by the office of the President.

                                    • (Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday June 01 2021, @04:41PM (3 children)

                                      by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 01 2021, @04:41PM (#1140781)

                                      If there really is some criminal act of insurrection, coup, treason, whatever, he won't be protected by the office of the President.

                                      Followed by sycophantic supporters going "nuh uh, bias! Biasss!!!!!!" Basically the insurrectionists did enough damage, with zero evidence to back their motivation, that the GOP is trying to figure out how to tiptoe around the minefield sustaining as little damage as possible. Perhaps they knew ahead of time that people would come out of the woodwork trying to minimize what they should instead have been condemning.

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                                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday June 01 2021, @05:48PM (2 children)

                                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 01 2021, @05:48PM (#1140800) Journal

                                        If there really is some criminal act of insurrection, coup, treason, whatever, he won't be protected by the office of the President.

                                        Followed by sycophantic supporters going "nuh uh, bias! Biasss!!!!!!"

                                        The problem here is that in the real world, convictions for crimes require evidence. You need that first.

                                        • (Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday June 01 2021, @05:51PM (1 child)

                                          by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 01 2021, @05:51PM (#1140801)
                                          Right now there are a buncha people who dressed up and misbehaved on camera, they're currently biting their nails. So far none of them have gotten off because someone else made fun of their wardrobe.
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                                          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday June 06 2021, @05:27AM

                                            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday June 06 2021, @05:27AM (#1142265) Journal
                                            Sorry for my lateness.

                                            Right now there are a buncha people who dressed up and misbehaved on camera

                                            Which isn't insurrection. I've made it clear from the beginning that I agree that there were a bunch of people who dressed up and misbehaved, criminally on camera. That's not insurrection. Hyperbolic speech whether chanted or merchandised is not insurrection either.

                                            I've also noted that these people will be investigated quite thoroughly. If there is evidence for insurrection, I think it likely that it'll turn up. That it hasn't already been found and spread about in the media doesn't look good for your argument.