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Ohio lawmakers want to abolish vaccine requirements:
[...] Lawmakers are working on legislation to call off the lottery immediately. They're also trying to head off any plans for "vaccine passports." And last month, they introduced a sweeping antivaccination bill that would essentially demolish public health and vaccination requirements in the state—and not just requirements for COVID-19 vaccines, requirements for any vaccine.
[...] State Rep. Beth Liston (D-Dublin) blasted the bill, telling The Columbus Dispatch, "Not only would it prevent schools, businesses and communities from putting safety measures in pace related to COVID, it will impact the health of our children... This bill applies to all vaccines—polio, measles, meningitis, etc. If it becomes law we will see worsening measles outbreaks, meningitis in the dorms, and children once again suffering from polio."
[...] "At its core, this proposal would destroy our current public health framework that prevents outbreaks of potentially lethal diseases, threatens the stability of our economy as it recovers from a devastating pandemic and jeopardizes the way we live, learn, work and celebrate life," the letter said.
[...] "HB 248 would put all Ohioans at risk while increasing the cost of health care for families, individuals and businesses," spokesperson Dan Williamson said. "This proposal applies to all immunizations, including childhood vaccines. If passed, this legislation could reverse decades of immunity from life-threatening, but vaccine-preventable diseases such as measles, mumps, hepatitis, meningitis and tuberculosis."
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @02:37PM (15 children)
How would you define far right, and how would that relate to this act? I'll site Wiki [wikipedia.org] on this one which states that the sides are generally characterized by an emphasis on:
Left-wing : freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism
Right-wing : authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism
I don't really agree with their characterization, but that's tangential and, more importantly, I expect you *do* agree with it. So where, in this spectrum, do you believe forcing people to still yet not formally approved vaccines for viruses with a negligible mortality rate (relative to e.g. polio/small pox/etc) fits? Where do you believe letting people have the freedom of choice, even when that may not be perceived to be in the immediate and direct benefit of the nation, fits?
(Score: 2) by EEMac on Friday May 28 2021, @04:52PM (4 children)
This is a fair question, and points out a flaw in modern arguments.
Politics is no longer left versus right. The modern split is nationalist/populist versus globalist.
Nationalist: loyalty and devotion to a nation, placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests
Populist: a range of political stances that emphasize the idea of "the people" and often juxtapose this group against "the elite"
Globalist: we're all just humans, national borders are Bad
The democratic party is hardcore globalist. The republican party *was* globalist too, but is shifting to nationalist/populist.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @05:19PM
> Globalist: we're all just humans,
My personal addition to this: the sooner we all become mutts (intermarry/interbreed different regional characteristics) the better off we'll all be.
This seems pretty clear with dogs, the purebreds are the high-strung ones, often with medical problems, mutts are more likely to be sensible and healthy.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Friday May 28 2021, @05:40PM
That was the neocon revolution and they were essentially 100% Jewish "Israel Firsters"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @06:19PM (1 child)
The modern split is insane/sane.
(Score: 2) by EEMac on Friday May 28 2021, @10:08PM
> The modern split is insane/sane.
Each side would argue the *other* is on the wrong side of that split. (That said, I'm not saying you're wrong . . .)
(Score: 0, Troll) by VLM on Friday May 28 2021, @05:39PM
In the 2020s it seems more like weaponized Judaism vs the white people. Its always race first all that other stuff comes a distant second at most.
Remember its black lives matter not leftist lives matter.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Thexalon on Friday May 28 2021, @06:04PM (8 children)
Describing the current Republicans as far-right makes perfect sense.
You (reasonably, I think) defined "right wing" as:
What that means, in practice, is that had their acknowledged authority at the top of the earthly hierarchies in the USA (the Donald) said that Covid-19 was a real threat, and the way to defeat it was to wear masks and get vaccines as soon as possible, they would have followed that. But he said the exact opposite, repeatedly, and so doing any of those things was to defy authority. And any doctor who said otherwise was also defying his authority.
What moves it from "right" to "far-right" is that in current Republican thinking, if a legitimate authority (a Republican politician, your church pastor, your boss at work, your commanding officer, your father/husband) tells you the sky is currently purple, you had better agree that the sky is purple, rather than look up and notice that it's blue or grey.
The reason that academic scientific types are viewed suspiciously at best is that academic authorities are constantly being challenged and questioned. That constant facing of challenges and questioning is why someone like Dr Fauci is listened to by liberal types, though: It's not that he's the almighty sacred Dr Fauci, but because he's spent decades studying how pandemics and infectious diseases work, his conclusions are constantly being tested by other people who know something about pandemics and infectious diseases, and are much more often than not right.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by crafoo on Friday May 28 2021, @06:26PM (1 child)
You should look into where the left and right terms come from: hint France. revolutionaries and reactionaries.
Anyway, it doesn't matter and it's an inaccurate and broken mental model of the real politics. It all comes down to core values: Freedom, Stability, Equality. Each comes at the expense of the other two. Problems arise when one of these groups tries to force everyone else to live according to their core values. In a democracy with universal voting, they have the ability to do this once they have the majority. It's also worth mentioning that any one of these values taken to the extreme produces some pretty absurdly unrealistic and barbaric realities as their fanatics murder their way towards their "utopia".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @09:53PM
Equality isn't a great word, but we're sort of stuck with it for now. Justice would be more accurate. The fact that conservatives act like trying to address systemic racism in our governing bodies is some extremist idea really shows how far y'all have to evolve. While your point is interesting, it lacks a lot of context. Maximum freedom results in loss of freedoms for others, but I guess you coud argue ultimate freedom means everyone is free to oppress anyone else or fight back against their oppressors. Philosophically it is mildly interesting, but practically it is a useless point.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 28 2021, @06:38PM (5 children)
I think a lot of what you've said here is questionable, but there's one very clear and hopefully illustrative logical error. this [foxnews.com]. That is what Trump was saying about the vaccines in a medium that targeted his voters. And that's not cherry picked. The all so objective Politifact (perhaps it may be necessary to add a /s here if you believe Trump worked against vaccination) also confirmed [politifact.com] that Trump regularly evangelized for the vaccines.
The point here is not a "gotcha", but to emphasize a logical flaw. Trump did evangelize for the vaccines for months. Yet it also true that conservatives tend to be vastly less enthusiastic about the vaccines than liberals. If your interpretation of authoritarianism rules the day, what gives?
(Score: 2) by Aegis on Friday May 28 2021, @11:34PM (2 children)
The sub-heading from your Fox article:
Yeah, he loves that vaccine so much he got his shots in secret!
While everybody else was leading by example Trump "leadership" was two halfhearted statements while tricking people into thinking he wasn't vaccinated.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29 2021, @12:03AM
It is the Trump MO, play both sides of an issue so he can conveniently claim he was always on whichever side is convenient at the moment. He is a super troll, except contrary to some moldy bird's opinion he is terrible at it. The only thing that works in his favor are the idiots that believe him, and the legal framework that allows him to muddy the water as to his intent. Then it is just a game of making excuses as to why he ever said the bad things, which is also why the language he uses is always so vague.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29 2021, @02:32PM
By focusing on what was not done instead of what was done, you can easily convince yourself of anything. Because you can always add one more "Oh yeah? Well if he really cared about [x], why didn't he also do [y]?"
Trump unquestionably advocated for the vaccines for months. Why didn't he publicize his own vaccination? Who knows? But to try to read into a single non-action as some sort of contradiction of months of consistent messaging on the topic is nothing but you engaging in cognitive dissonance to try to hold one view (Trump opposed vaccines) in spite of literally all evidence saying the exact opposite.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday May 29 2021, @05:28AM (1 child)
He evangelized for Trump vaccines.
He lost the bet he took (that a vaccine will be available before elections) and thus stopped evangelizing for it, just to not help a different-than-his administration that would distribute the vaccines. Going to the point of taking his shot in secret.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 29 2021, @07:21PM
Or, alternatively, and more realistically - he spent his final months in office focused entirely on exposing what he felt were issues with the election.
For that matter, was his shot given before or after he was censored from all corporate media in America? It may have been he was globally censored and then critiqued for not saying anything, which is taking our dystopia to a whole new level.